Baker rework

[pallid lily]

Ability 1-Feed♾️🌙: Give a player "Bread".

Ability 2-Bake♾️🌙: Create an Unknown obstacle on any player, you also learn anyone who tries visit your target. This can be multitasked with Feed.

Ability 3-Overtime1️⃣☀️: You may activate this during the discussion period, if any player who has "Bread" dies during the day this is activated (No matter the way), tonight, you will be able to use your "Feed" ability on 2 players (If you fail to use your ability that night, you will be able to Feed 2 players until you succesfully use your ability).

Traits:

-You are inmune to Unknown Obstacles, except those from a Jailor or a Starspawn.

-Once 4 players alive have "Bread" you will become Famine.

-When you become Famine, you may choose to instantly make someone's Bread moldy, which will cause it to dissapear.

Why? The main issues with Baker (Vanilla) was that it had 0 utility while in Acolyte form and that they couldnt rll do much to protect their Bread. This rework fixes both issues. Baker will now be able to protect their Breads and difficult town with their Unknwon Obstacle, as well as making Crusaders and Jailors a bit less confirmable. Their overtime ability allows Baker to predict the death of one of their Bread during the day, meaning that if a Bread is gonna get hanged, the Baker can save the Bread by using their 3rd ability, it also allows Baker to be able to Mislynch without the need of respecting their breads. To counter act this however, Baker will need to give 1 additional Bread. (But when they become Famine they will be able to destroy 1 bread.)

Also forgot to put this, but you cant UO yourself.

(I say this bc some ppl might get confused with the "Any" clause)

[karmic furnace]

id like to have an information gatherer that isnt just visits
-# pb…

[pallid lily]

Visits are info

[karmic furnace]

bro didnt read the full message

[pallid lily]

It can help you know if someone is fake claiming or not

Like you can know if someone is tracker or not by seeing who they visit

Or if there is a fake claiming tpow

And if someone isnt claiming

[karmic furnace]

…i said “that isnt just visits”

[pallid lily]

Ik

[karmic furnace]

i get that visits are info

but like… too little most of the time

[pallid lily]

Thats not an issue of Baker

But of pb itself

Or apoc in overalls

[karmic furnace]

yea but like until pb is fixed baker really needs to do something

bers is the killer and death aco’s are the framers

those are set imo

[pallid lily]

Baker can do smth with this rework too

Pb is info gatherer

And baker utility

[karmic furnace]

if pb gets to learn the role of the person they target then id agree with this

[pallid lily]

But again this isnt an issue of Baker

But of pb

[karmic furnace]

and apoc still needs SOME way of role gathering

-# that should be deceivable by ench tbh

[pallid lily]

Visits give info again

[karmic furnace]

l sdg i d a h lcu was c

i give up

[pallid lily]

Which can lead ro knowing roles

[karmic furnace]

half the time no

if you see someone visit twice you just know its seer

[pallid lily]

If they claim lazily you can still know their rile's motives

[karmic furnace]

BUT YOU WOULD KNOW ITS SEER ANYWAY

[pallid lily]

Like if you seem em visiting tpows

You can know they could be tp tricks etc

If they visit someone who dies

Well yk what they are cuz death msg

If they visit ppl and claim ti who visits that ppl

Then you know they are THAT Ti

And if they visit ppl who claim rbd

[karmic furnace]

not really no

[pallid lily]

Have UOS

[karmic furnace]

could be a fake claiming ti claiming another

[pallid lily]

Then you know respectivelytheir roles

[pallid lily]

Why would a ti do that, its not like they need to hide form ritu or ds

[karmic furnace]

i mean true

[pallid lily]

Plus there isnt like a Ti Tpow or smth rn

[karmic furnace]

but then what about tt or something

[pallid lily]

Pb isnt town

[karmic furnace]

-# coro

[iron arrow]

:Smogger

[pallid lily]

👍

In tt its very likely apoc will know the tt

Bc they would prob be in their alignament

(Plus we cant balance things around modifiers)

[iron arrow]

1. Why would you ever not use Bake considering Feed now has 0 utility
2. Overtime is silly
3. Why is this not immune to SS lmao 💀

[karmic furnace]

role gathering is still a good thing to have, and not having to depend on something thats visits

[pallid lily]

Is crus or Or pois

[fathom flame]

@pallid lily has leveled up! (9 ➜ 10)

[karmic furnace]

i mean… ss should be uo immune to every other uo

[iron arrow]

Pois is

[karmic furnace]

other than jailor

[pallid lily]

Rn ss blocks any non-evils

So until that sht is

Yea

[iron arrow]

Because all evils are immune to SS

Lmao

[pallid lily]

Ss blocks baker sadly

Wait they changed that

[karmic furnace]

yea

[pallid lily]

Oh

[karmic furnace]

its all evils are immune

[pallid lily]

Ok idk how I didnt notice that

I dont play btos2 that much

[karmic furnace]

and vigi due to bugs

[pallid lily]

I said you can multitask it with bake

[iron arrow]

Yeah which is why I said "why would you ever NOT use it"

because it's just strictly stronger than only using feed alone

[pallid lily]

Ik

And thats the points

That baker has a way to have utility

While also not depending on others to have their breads survive

[iron arrow]

You

Do know Baker isn't vanilla here

Right

😭

[pallid lily]

Ik

But baker rn doesnt solve their issues

Plus it just ctrl c and ctrl v another role

Which isnt a good way to fix things

Its like saying just bc trickster is now balanced

All unbalanced tk roles should be a changed version of trickster

[iron arrow]

You are removing all of Bakers utility in exchange for just giving it Smog

[pallid lily]

Uos can be utility

You can block tis

If you predict them

[iron arrow]

You are ctrl c ctrl ving another role, then removing one of its abilities and replacing it with stepping on SCs toes

[pallid lily]

You can save your apocs

Crus isnt pois

Or ss

All of them have other abilities

Crus being the town base one

Pois being able to also rb

Ss is ss

I suppose a meant tplo counter

Due to how it was ideated

(Although all NPS seem like a tplo counter)

And baker can now use their UOS to difficult enemies

Bc baker can also know who they block

Which also brings mini info

[iron arrow]

Actually this doesn't even just step on SCs toes

It also steps on PB and Warlock's

Which are generally considered weak as is

😭

[pallid lily]

This doesnt frame

Or infect UOS

Plus unlike pb

If youd say bakers info vs pbs

Baker can only get lo

While pb is og wildling but nerfed

Plus while pb info is hidden

Bc there isnt rll a straightfriward way to know if pb has hax on you

Baker can be noticed

Bc you again get UOd

So this doesnt overshadow pb

Then warlock is a ti hunter

Click on ti value

Baker cant just click on ti and block their info

Nor does baker frame ppl as Baker

[karmic furnace]

bro is yapping to himself jesus christ

[pallid lily]

Im not?

Im telling mia why this doesnt step on pb or wl

For when she comes back (if she does)