#Jackal Rework

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Jackal - Neutral Special

Attack: None Defense: Basic
Abilities
Recruit two players
Support your recruits

Assassinate

Visit a player and Attack them
If you have no attack value, this is a standard visit instead of an attack (Not grounds for Murder, Autopsy / being intercepted by TP)
If one Recruit is dead, you have a Basic attack
If two Recruits are dead, you have a Powerful attack

Support (2, Special)

Give both Recruits and yourself Powerful defense and Illusion them for the night
You will know who got attacked if you protected them, they will know you saved them
This is Astral and Indirect

Recruits (Passive)

Two players of opposing win-conditions will have their wincon changed to match yours
The Recruits and you learn eachother and their roles
Once per game, Factional Evils may guess for who they think the Recruit is, even if no Factional Evil is Recruited or you are not present in the game
If the Factional Evil Recruit is correctly guessed, they die ignoring any protections or immunities
Town Recruits will launch a Town Traitor hunt if they are alive when the game would end in town's favor

Attributes

Factional Evil's Recruit guessing is only applied when you are spawn capable on the list
Factional Evil Recruit guessing is finished by the end of the Night Phase
Neutral Evils, Pariahs or the Cursed Soul may not be Recruited
You may multitask your abilities

Notes:
For Recruited Vampire: something similar to https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1275110265985171487 's interaction would happen, could be capped at 1 extra jackal player at a time
Making this a modifier role (Only spawns if guaranteed or modifier is enabled) might be necessary because of how the recruit votes work

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(Recruit town launching TT hunt is iffy but I also don't want lone town recruit to be completely useless)

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(maybe an alternative is letting them attack instead of performing abilities so they can still win via jackal's wincondition but that might be a whole lot of jank)

tardy nest
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Can dead members vote in the factional evil vote?

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Or is the faction just screwed if they get down to 2 players

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With rec alive

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it would be the same as necro passing presumably

tardy nest
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yeah

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i mean, it wouldn't really be fair to have the vote count when its a 100% guarantee for this guy to be recruit

tardy nest
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I kinda don’t like the tt hunt

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It feels very strong

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I also don't like lifelink / town recruit just twiddling their thumbs since they can't win a 1v1

tardy nest
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I could make it so

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if jackal dies a town recruit will also die

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if the other recruit is dead

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coarse tendon
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Which is Jackal's primary interactivity issue

worthy depot
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Vindicated, recruit vampire mentioned.

worthy depot
hallow drum
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But with chat

final sedge
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"Jackals CAN spawn so let's give players the ability to guess others as Recruits."

brave whale
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in general I do like idea but kinda what Fresh just said, this is making game around the role..... but when I think about it, it's ok since this is NS so from concept list is somewhat around them

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wait now I realised, tt hunt, I do not like tt hunt, I literaly avoided tt modes bcs of tt hunt, does it mean I should vote 👎 ? nah

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may be kinda 2 powerfull now I think about it

plucky talon
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final sedge
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"Kinda how it has to be"

You're changing the game to compensate for the role, not the role to compensate for the game. If the role requires the game to change like that, it's a bad role.

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Besides, Jackal doesn't need an SDG inside of an SDG for it to function (ESPECIALLY one that spawns whenever a TA/NS slot exists within the game)

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The issue with Jackals is the lack of interactivity between Jackals and Recruits and the issues related to Recs being lifelinked.

However, making a TT hunt and a second SDG within the SDG is overcompensating for the second issue, and a 2 time Astral Barrier is undercompensating for the first

brave whale
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atp turn jackal into a modifier role

brave whale
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more like change jackal if there is modifier

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I don't like that solution

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roles should generally be static and not change based on certain conditions

brave whale
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ye but imagine voting for rec every taa

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most games it wouldn't mean much and be a side effect

brave whale
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maybe just make so vote only apears if jackal is in the game

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that outs its existence

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(not good)

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which is why being a modifier role may be necessary

brave whale
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better this then make whole gameplay mechanic that apears not only if bro is present

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bro while not being in the game makes bigger impact then every coroner in every match (joke)

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people doubt their team more

brave whale
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true

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now I think about it I think itay triger unnesery thinking about jackal

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imagine out of noone you need to vote who is rec (ther e is no jackal) and ppl accuse eatch other while they are all normal coven members XD

finite fractal
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it would be very janky and I don't think it would be possible

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to implement any private communication that couldnt be taken advantage of

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atleast without hidden whispers

mystic crypt
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wdym by modifier role

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like a role spawned by a modifier?

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or a role that is adds/modifies you current role

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only spawn capable if its an active modifier

brave whale
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let jackal speak to their recs during the night (they can not replay)

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so one way nightchat

brave whale
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yes

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this way being coven rec would not be nerf

analog basalt
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TT hunt in TAA is pain

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And JR TT hunt is ugh

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analog basalt
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Here’s a thought: let jackel talk to recruits, in their night chat or not have it come from Jackel”

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??

analog basalt
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I though you said the issue was they couldn’t talk

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So let Jackel talk to recs

finite fractal
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it would be hard implementing a communication (this was designed for discord where you can just make another discord thread) while here its much different

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so its not a full solution