Executioner Target Rework

[winter river]

Executioner
Alignement: Neutral Evil

Attack: None
Defense: Basic (Until d3)
Detection immune: No
Roleblock immune: No
Control immune: No

Goal: Live to see your target hanged. If your target dies before you can hang them, you become a Jester as soon as their death occurs.

Target:
You will be assigned a target randomly. Your target cannot be:
-Any sort of Town Power role/Amnesiac
-A Coven Power or Coven Killing
-A Neutral special
-A Neutral Paraiah

Your target can still be:
-Another Neutral Evil
-A Neutral Apocalypse
-A Coven Deception/Utility
-A recruit of the Jackal

Win Condition: If you successfully get your target hanged you will decrease the trial amount by 1 upon leaving town in victory.

Reasoning:
Exe is a Neutral Evil, not a neutral paraiah and should act as such. Just like Doom and Jester, their win condition should be selfish and serve themselves, not a specific faction. I believe that both Good and Evil should beware of exe, and not just count on them as an extra vote in the trials and helping them delay the game.

[uneven kayak]

• hangs death

• "torment for giles!"

[novel pivot]

If your targets evil then it will make town want to hang them plus your target can get outted by town its self so the afk exe can win games

[queen panther]

executioner targeting evils is really bad actually

[winter river]

If it just targets town, it’s a neutral Paraiah not a neutral evil

[jaunty narwhal]

exe on their way to target jester

[winter river]

It is no longer selfish

[queen panther]

and pariah roles are way healthier than NE

[winter river]

I love when judge just skips a day

Ditto on star

[jaunty narwhal]

also I heavily disagree with the ability to target coven, apoc, or recruits

[winter river]

And I love when Audi yoinks marshal charges

It’s like disagreeing with doom being able to doom apoc/coven

[queen panther]

and i love it when jester, inquisitor and doomsayer singlehandedly wipe out the evils despite being evil themselves

[winter river]

Inquis is basically an NE

[queen panther]

anti everyone DOES NOT WORK

[winter river]

It’s wincon is selfish

[winter river]

That’s current vanilla pirate

[tulip dagger]

anti-everyone fucking sucks so i don't care if it's not a normal "Neutral Evil" other Ne's should be made to be in-line with EXE not the fucking other way around

[jaunty narwhal]

I do disagree with that

[winter river]

Well it shouldn’t be total anti-town as well

[queen panther]

it should

[winter river]

Because that just fucks over town if it’s a heavy Ne game

[jaunty narwhal]

it should

[queen panther]

executioner is the healthiest NE currently barring the jester transformation

[jaunty narwhal]

the only NE heavy games are TAA matches

[winter river]

So in a 5 town game, you claim that it’d be fair for also all the NEs to team with evils?

[thorn tide]

All any balancing go brrr

[jaunty narwhal]

in what non TAA is there 5 town

[queen panther]

OH MY FUCKING GOD

[jaunty narwhal]

this is just AA balancing

which sucks

[thorn tide]

Guys I think Judge should be able to win with town to make all any more fair for town!!!

[winter river]

This is like saying that jest should only be able to haunt town

[jaunty narwhal]

plus you gave yourself a thumbs up which makes me even more inclined to disagree

[winter river]

What you guys are saying

[umbral gulch]

truly constructive feedback all around

[jaunty narwhal]

honestly why the fuck not

[winter river]

Cause that’s broken

[queen panther]

yes

[winter river]

Gives the evils a FREE UNSTOPPABLE ATTACK

[jaunty narwhal]

our constructive feedback is to not balance around all any

[queen panther]

jester needs a full overhaul

win condition and all

[jaunty narwhal]

just make jest haunt fail on evils

[winter river]

Nah

[jaunty narwhal]

and that’s that

[winter river]

Y do you think

Town needs to deal with all that bs

[queen panther]

because town starts with majority

[winter river]

“Starts with maj”

[queen panther]

YES

WE BALANCE AROUND RANKED

IT'S 9v6

[winter river]

When it’s 8v6 in pws that isn’t maj

[bright prism]

me when i punish town for hanging evils?

[jaunty narwhal]

pws isn’t balanced

[winter river]

9v6

[queen panther]

8v6 is 14p

[jaunty narwhal]

at all

[winter river]

9v6 is 1 kill and a mislynch on d2 and evils won

And town can’t do shit about it

[jaunty narwhal]

kid named town protective

[bright prism]

[jaunty narwhal]

town investigative

[bright prism]

[jaunty narwhal]

roleblocker

[queen panther]

the TK slot in question:

[tulip dagger]

yes and no, jester is flawed because it punishes town for hanging a evil... which is town's entire fucking job... unless it kills an evil in which town gets double free rewarded for hanging a obvious evil they should of hanged anyway]

[jaunty narwhal]

town killing

[winter river]

On d1 no

[jaunty narwhal]

literally every town slot can stop an evil majority

[versed stirrup]

Me when the neutral evil's entire purpose in life is to make town's life easier

[tulip dagger]

uh no?

[queen panther]

me when the NE is actually just an outsider

[winter river]

9v6 is not a good majority for town it’s very easy to get overturned

[jaunty narwhal]

besides amne

[queen panther]

that's the point

it's an uphill battle for both sides

[winter river]

It literally means playing perfect for town. And that ain’t never happening

[versed stirrup]

If you think exec should have evil targets, you are an unknown obstacle I think

[jaunty narwhal]

town doesn’t have to play perfect

you forget kills can always fail

[winter river]

Uh huh sure

[jaunty narwhal]

you forget about town killings

[winter river]

All evils have to do is avoid the tplo claim n1 and it’s game

[tulip dagger]

uh no

[winter river]

I love when it’s trick

[tulip dagger]

smart TP's can protect smartly lol

[queen panther]

this is a bucket issue

[jaunty narwhal]

exactly

[tulip dagger]

trickster is fine

[winter river]

The chance of predicting where evils will attack n1

In a regular 4 coven match

[bright prism]

its in wrong bucket but sure

[jaunty narwhal]

trickster is fine but I don’t think it should eat the TK slot

[winter river]

6 total evils

Is a 1/256 chance

You ain’t getting that

[jaunty narwhal]

regular 4 coven matches have 5 evils ackshually

[thorn tide]

huh

[tulip dagger]

it's not, all TP's should have their kill removed

[winter river]

1/196 I did the math wrong

[queen panther]

you are forgetting that 9v6 is, in practice, 9v4v1v1

the coven and neutrals will also be beefing

[bright prism]

alright, what will you do for bg and trapprr

[wide wharf]

My bg overhaul obv

[bright prism]

while making sure they arent just cleric

[winter river]

Practice is utter trash I’m sorry that 1 NA ain’t making it unless it’s sc/famine

[wide wharf]

Duh

[tulip dagger]

i have an idea for trapper

BG? I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA 😭

[bright prism]

so great

[jaunty narwhal]

bg is just a trash role all around

just remove it

[winter river]

Bg needs a rework

[tulip dagger]

[wide wharf]

Or just scrap Bg ye

[winter river]

Bg is both a tp and tk

[bright prism]

not an option

[winter river]

Back to the point

[jaunty narwhal]

BG’s whole gimmick is to die

[queen panther]

bg should be taken outback

[winter river]

Everyone being against town is bad

[bright prism]

not happening

[winter river]

It’s like saying CS should only be able to swap with town

[queen panther]

sigh... i know...

[bright prism]

me when evils are evil?

[winter river]

CS is basically a NE faction

[queen panther]

we don't want NB back

crazy i know

[bright prism]

balancing around cs is wild

[jaunty narwhal]

we don’t balance around NS

[winter river]

Neutral evils are evil for themselves not for the evils

[bright prism]

[wide wharf]

Omg Evils are against Good in my Good vs Evil game!!!
So unfair!!!

[bright prism]

EVIL

guess who should benefit

[queen panther]

we balance around ranked. CS will never be in ranked

[jaunty narwhal]

you can’t really balance around CS

or pirate

[winter river]

The neutral evil should benefit

Cause you’re also NeUTRAL

[jaunty narwhal]

or vampire in non vampire lists

[bright prism]

EVILS or GOOD benefitting from the EVIL role

[jaunty narwhal]

it has evil in the name

[queen panther]

i think i should benefit actually

[winter river]

THERES A REASON WHY ITS NE AND NOT EE

[bright prism]

that means you work alone

[wide wharf]

^

[jaunty narwhal]

neutrals play for only themself

[winter river]

Literally the definition of every NE role

All have selfish goals

And benefit ONLY THEMSELVES

[bright prism]

neutral works alone, wether they support other evils is different

[winter river]

Not the other factions

[jaunty narwhal]

exe has traditionally always been against the town

[winter river]

THEMSELVES

[bright prism]

this is not fucking the case

[queen panther]

okay, hold on

[winter river]

When judge reveals coven, they dont work themselves

[bright prism]

neutral selfish bucket real

[bright prism]

because they want to kill town and don’t care who gets the job done

[jaunty narwhal]

you can’t compare NP with cov

[winter river]

I totally can

You said it yourself

[wide wharf]

The point of Neutrals is that they start by themselves, isolated from everyone else

[jaunty narwhal]

NE have different wincons

[winter river]

"Neutral works alone'

[bright prism]

so be it if the serial killer gets the town and the coven

[bright prism]

yes

[winter river]

All the NP's heavily rely on the evils to get the job done

[bright prism]

judge showing up to the coven meeting

[jaunty narwhal]

we don’t need free exe wins

[bright prism]

no shit

[queen panther]

the thing with neutral evils is that if they are able to help town, they cause ungodly amounts of swing.

jester haunting coven causes swing
inquisitor with evil targets causes swing
doomsayer dooming 3 coven causes swing

executioner has less of this issue due to the targeting restrictions

[jaunty narwhal]

fym heavily

[bright prism]

really

[winter river]

NE's rely on themselves

[jaunty narwhal]

they do

they just do

[bright prism]

me when the anti town role works with evils

[winter river]

When exe was just disable trials for a day all you needed was star for town to literally be able to not do shit for a day

[queen panther]

does this make sense i'm really trying to help you here

[jaunty narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-emoji-shocked-gif-25394547

[kindred flower]

Your target can be evil

Insta 👎

Yea, lets punish town for actually hanging evils

Totally healthy and balanced

[rich raft]

Me getting jester as a target

and double tormenting town

[tulip pendant]

wandering souls balancing