#Jailor Nerf

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long shoal
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Jailor only has 1 execute charge but gains no penaltys or anything weird. The people they jail are always super roleblocked and in chat like usual.

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This is the best jailor rework IMO as it lets jailor keep its identity while not just making it a better marshal

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Jailor does need executes to help town keep majority but it also cant have more than 1 as that is to broken.

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Also becoming a villager is bad and should never happen

daring warren
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Isn’t it like still super strong

long shoal
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I mean yes its a tpow

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you will have to be more specific than that

daring warren
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You still super rb people

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And gain info through interrogations

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Also: you can just become the best TP in the game after you’ve used up your execute

long shoal
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I mean you just become crus immune to starspawn

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if I recall you cannot jail the same person twice in a row

winter zephyr
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Maybe a clause for not jailing revealed townies to avoid Jailor becoming a TP

daring warren
long shoal
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Astral is a bad mechanic anyway

daring warren
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or unstoppable attacks

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Astral is used for Ritualist so it can ignore every TP

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  • not get found by lookout
winter zephyr
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Cuz it only would apply to revealed town cuz jailing conf TI is dumb

long shoal
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Oracle can save a jailed person

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I remeber that in patch notes

daring warren
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Oracle isn’t an astral visit

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Oracle doesn’t visit at all

long shoal
daring warren
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I’m saying Rit has astral so it can ignore lookout

winter zephyr
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Off topic but does the community think rit revealing their role on an incorrect guess is unhealthy

daring warren
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It stops rit from actually guessing since that Cleric claim could be a Bodyguard or maybe even a Trickster

long shoal
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but now since they banned it and doom in ranked everyone is now panicking

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for some reason

daring warren
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And from what I’ve seen, it’s moreso the doom ban

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Since no Doom means no Vfa

long shoal
winter zephyr
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The cov in ranked seems so weird rn

daring warren
long shoal
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and its not a good counter

daring warren
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Vanilla tpows are strong as hell

long shoal
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tpow is to get town majority and lead it

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well yeah they are supposed to be

daring warren
winter zephyr
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TPOW should be to save the game from majority not give town majority d2/n2

daring warren
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TPOW are supposed to be self confirming majority keepers

winter zephyr
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Marshal and Jailor existing on their current forms if played decent give town a good advantage

daring warren
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But with the amount of ways you can confirm yourself already they’re just there as an extra confirmed player cov cant cc

winter zephyr
daring warren
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I mean you can’t really have enough tpow concepts without self confirmation

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I’d say it’s a side effect rather than the point

winter zephyr
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Yea it’s just their identity

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(Mayor)

daring warren
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Mayor is bad

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It’s job is to lead the town as a confirmed player except there’s 4 other tpows who can do the job

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And it folds and dies to rit

winter zephyr
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ATP don’t even conj mayor cuz there’s going to be a better TPOW to kill

rustic shoal
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i say give it 2 exes

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and reduce vigi to 1

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so its not just completely outclassed and is better

daring warren
rustic shoal
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its a town power

daring warren
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Then Mayor would never be able to comptable to jailor

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Or Mon

winter zephyr
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I had this idea for vig but Jailor could have a clause like you cannot execute consecutively to give evils enough time to deal with it

rustic shoal
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pros can kill twice

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marsh can get 4 with tribunal lead

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its right in between them

winter zephyr
rustic shoal
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with 2 exes

daring warren
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Now hear me out: neither of those should kill twice

rustic shoal
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how would vigi work then

daring warren
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2 shots

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Or 1

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Jailor still has a ton of utility

winter zephyr
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Hear me out: remove all roles that can be confirmed in the slightest by any other role (all of them)

rustic shoal
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then vigi would be a tpow

daring warren
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And is confirmable in secret killers

daring warren
hot mist
rustic shoal
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does basically the same thing as jailor

daring warren
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No??

rustic shoal
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wdym

daring warren
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Vigis shot can be blocked

hot mist
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Though Jailor is the only healthy-ish punishment (Aside from Prosecutor)

daring warren
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Jailor can interrogate

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Can rb

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Can protect

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It just can’t kill as effectively

rustic shoal
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doesnt it lose that after its exes though

daring warren
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But this suggests no punishment

rustic shoal
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jailor is just walmart tav then after this?

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with this rework

daring warren
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Jailor is a 3 in 1

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Ti Tp Ts

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With 1 kill

long shoal
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it just chooses the 1 kill a day

daring warren
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Making it a 4 in 1 actually

rustic shoal
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and it has 2 charges

daring warren
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It would still be strong

rustic shoal
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thus making 2 kills total

daring warren
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Pros doesn’t add any kills

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It just replaces the day’s trials, which would’ve been a kill

rustic shoal
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yeah but it gets to decide who dies

long shoal
rustic shoal
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very similar to a kill

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suppose not exactly though

long shoal
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jailor keeping util after 2 kills is to good

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it needs 1 exe and 1 exe only

daring warren
long shoal
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it already gathers a bunch of info

winter zephyr
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How does jailor have 2 kills

rustic shoal
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it has 3 currently

daring warren
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Jailor has 3

long shoal
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yeah it currently has 3

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but some people think it should be 2 and not 1

winter zephyr
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Oh I thought we were talking abt Jailor w 1 exe

rustic shoal
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this is jailor with 1 exe

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with the rework

winter zephyr
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It still needs a clause for 2 exes to scale it properly

long shoal
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it gives town majority (kind of?) for 2 extra days and can lead town as a conf townie

rustic shoal
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yeah

long shoal
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mostly checks tpow boxes

winter zephyr
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Pros is just always better as a tt cuz it adds pretty much nothing

long shoal
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but none of that includes kp

winter zephyr
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Or as non town aligned

long shoal
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Pros is the best tt but yeah not related

rustic shoal
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every day ends with a kill (if voted) right

long shoal
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anyways jailor cant have 2 kp because it has other functions

daring warren
long shoal
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that does not impact the roles kp

rustic shoal
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then if pros does the same thing isnt it considered a kill aswell

long shoal
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yes

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but not kp

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kill power is added kills

rustic shoal
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yeah no then thats not kp

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ok

long shoal
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if someone says jinx gives coven infinite kp you could argue theoretically with your definition that every coven role can give coven infinite kp because they can all hold the necronomicon

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but yeah regardless thats all I really have to say on this

winter zephyr
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It’s just dictator? From town of host and it’s literally almost the same power level as mayor depending on how you think about it

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I mean that’s the point of the necronomicon to get a kill each night

rustic shoal
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with this nerf i think a marshal nerf would be good too

long shoal
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marshal does not really need a nerf

winter zephyr
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Temp suggested night triggered tribs which I rly like cuz it buffs pois and isn’t make all tpow claims reveal when most town is conf role

daring warren
long shoal
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This would be around the same power level as marsh with this nerf

winter zephyr
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No

rustic shoal
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marsh would be better than this

daring warren
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Mayor is never catching up smh

long shoal
winter zephyr
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Kills will ALWAYS be stronger than information/roleblocks

daring warren
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True

long shoal
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they are pretty much even

rustic shoal
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marsh outclasses every tpow with this

daring warren
long shoal
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Jailor is by far the best tpow

rustic shoal
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wdym

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im talking abotu with this rework

long shoal
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well you said rn

rustic shoal
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no

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oh

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wait

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one sec

long shoal
rustic shoal
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ok yeah'

long shoal
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also no not really

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Jailor can out multiple evils if played correctly

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you need both

rustic shoal
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yeah but marshal can do it alone better than jailor

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if you lose majority and know who evils are ur screwed

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if you can gain majority have have good scumreading you still can win as town

winter zephyr
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What do we think about Jailor not being able to jail n1 for benefitting TI & evils

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This is from Bloxston but when the Jailor dies the player won’t get exed which i think works well with 2 exe jailor

daring warren
daring warren
winter zephyr
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I mean Jailor doesn’t rly need tplo compared to other tpow compared to now cuz they all have day abilities that can’t be raised by retri that need to live to have an impact

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This should also apply to jailor in its current or a slightly nerfed state

gilded dome
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Best Jailor rework hands down lol

wooden oriole
long shoal
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killpower does not equal strength