#Famine Buff

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cerulean delta
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Famine is just weaker Death and it usually forces a kingmaker situation (2 town 1 coven 1 famine) when it lives 1 day when its the last apoc member.

Famine (Neutral Apocalypse)
Attack: None
Defense: Invincible

Goal:
Kill everyone who opposes the Apocalypse.

Abilities:
You may choose to starve a player at night.

You may choose to give provisions to a player at night.

Attributes:
If a player has no more stack of bread or provisions they will be dealt an unstoppable attack.

Non Apocalypse members cannot use any abilities.

Victory Conditions:
You win with other members of the Apocalypse.

Starve: (♾️)
Remove all stack of Bread from a player.

Provide: (♾️)
Give provisions to 1 player. Provisions allow a player to live through 1 night without bread. This is an astral visit. You may select as much players as you want. Provisons expire during the day.

random bane
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wouldn't you just play this exactly like death

cerulean delta
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2 days Death

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but no abilities and you can axe conf players

random bane
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idk

cerulean delta
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current Famine already plays like Death

random bane
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it ok I guess but like

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it feels bad to play vs

cerulean delta
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but it forces a 1v3

cerulean delta
random bane
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ok think about it

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you provision everyone once except everyone you've already breaded and starve a player you gave bread

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everyone alive except 2 players now are guaranteed to die tomorrow night

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you starve one of the players you gave bread and didn't starve and they lose 2 bread and die

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1v1 situation auto horseman win (unless Pros, Mayor, Marshal)

cerulean delta
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yeah thats how current Famine works

random bane
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it actually just becomes a death day pretty much

random bane
cerulean delta
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except that it forces a 1v3

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yes

random bane
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you get to a 1v3 before then

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famine with this would literally just be death 2.0

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like straight up

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there's no reason to play it in any other way

cerulean delta
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yeah rn Famine is Death but weaker

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idk what to tell you at least now its a Death Sidegrade

random bane
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I think famine just needs a rework entirely but ok

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I liked the idea of baker giving bread stacks to people more

cerulean delta
random bane
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I'm not gonna vote on this cause I don't think it's too bad or amazing but I just don't want death 2.0

cerulean delta
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current famine forces a kingmaker (unless you gave bread to 3 town/3 coven) thats what im trying to remove (as last apoc in non apoc only modes)

random bane
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yea

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baker wasn't meant to be solo and it shows

cerulean delta
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crazy that it started as a solo role

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then was given a team

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then went back to being a solo role

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and then got back its team again

fresh wagon
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This would be crazy strong if it transformed with literally any other horsemen

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Since it prevents Marsh/Dep from revealing

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Hell, solo transforming with a team would still make it super strong

random bane
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how does this counter marsh

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or dep

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???

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oh what the FUCK

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o7 why does this prevent abilities

fresh wagon
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It’s true

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Tos2 players CANNOT read

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It also prevents NP abilities which is kinda bad

cerulean delta
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oh yeah

random bane
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and like

cerulean delta
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thats the issue with apoc teamates

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cant balance it

random bane
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I was worried about the meat and potatoes

cerulean delta
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it blocks abilties because i balance them as solo roles

fresh wagon
random bane
fresh wagon
cerulean delta
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yeah i forgot about that

random bane
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we kinda have to consider them to be a faction here

fresh wagon
random bane
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for balance

random bane
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that's only in all any

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ranked is the only mode that matters for balance

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and in ranked they'd be solo

fresh wagon
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You do realize

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Just because it’s balanced in ranked, doesn’t mean it won’t wreak havoc in other modes

random bane
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just because the casual community only plays all any doesn't mean we should balance around it

random bane
fresh wagon
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I would

random bane
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so they can be NEUTRAL apocalypse

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like they were meant to be

fresh wagon
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Unfortunately I’m not a developer

ruby nimbus
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This is still kingmaker lmao why would you ever keep someone alive if they know they'll die

random bane
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deadass they only changed it because the casual community cried about it

random bane
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????

fresh wagon
random bane
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bro what

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enny just did not understand the change

fresh wagon
random bane
ruby nimbus
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This allows only one night without dying

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if the famine doesn't die it means nothing

random bane
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to win

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???

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are you ingenious

ruby nimbus
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like it adds another mislynch ig

random bane
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if you give everyone BUT the people you breaded 1 bread stack

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the next night everyone but 1 person dies

ruby nimbus
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sure ig it's a buff

random bane
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you just misrepresented the change entirely

fresh wagon
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Now get ready for 11 player Famine hunts!

ruby nimbus
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ohh you can choose everyone wtf

fresh wagon
ruby nimbus
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so just clear out the tpows and conf via TI roles and you're good to go

fresh wagon
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All abilities are disabled

ruby nimbus
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where does it say that

fresh wagon
fresh wagon
ruby nimbus
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so it's basically marshal + death

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you get one hang then another since the night is wasted

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I don't like having that much choice but I get the idea

random bane
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oh from towns point of view yes

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it gives town 2 chances to kill famine

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but at the cost of losing instantly

ruby nimbus
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More and more I get the feeling the original devs didn’t put much thought into this

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but tbh power creep kinda affected stuff over time

random bane
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famine was a cool idea that was made shit by the amount of people it left alive

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but they had to keep it that way because otherwise the transformation condition takes too long

cerulean delta
upper crest
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or, just...give it the modded bread

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to make it have utility and a way to ensure your bread don't perish before you can kill them

ruby nimbus
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ruby nimbus
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(why does this exist)

upper crest
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famine has an appropriate tradeoff imo

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you transform faster

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but have to leave people alive

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like maybe I'm not getting it

ruby nimbus
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it’s worse death but transforms faster, its implementation is lazy and it has practically no utility without having a teammate

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but oh wait, it was designed to be neutral apocalypse

upper crest
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WHICH IS WHY I SAID GIVE IT UTIL

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give it SOMETHING

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to make it do something before it transforms

ruby nimbus
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this suggestion helps it but it still is just death but worse

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that’s not really something you can fix since the devs intended this

upper crest
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I feel like surviving 4 extra days vs killing off all but 3 players is fair tbh

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like it's worse death, but it's also MUCH earlier

cerulean delta
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At least now it blocks abilities so its not fully a worse Death. But yeah unless you completly change Famine it will always be a worse Death