[The Maverick] Starspawn Rework - Falsifying Beguiler Rework v1.11

[lofty raven]

Starspawn

Alignment: Neutral (Pariah)
Faction: None

No Attack
Powerful Ethereal
🔒Unique

Goal: Eliminate the Town.

• You win with anyone, but not if the Town wins.

Special Ability: Stargaze [Undefined] (☀️&🌙)

• Choose a role to appear as upon being hanged.
• If you do not choose a role, you will appear to be a Cleric when hanged.

Ability 1: Isolate [♾️] (🌙)

• Choose a player to Isolate them from other Townies.
• You may not choose the same target for two consecutive nights in a row.

Ability 2: Allure [♾️] (🌙) (🌠Astral)

• Choose a player to Allure your first target's visitors into unknowingly visiting.
• If you have tricked a Spy, Tavern Keeper or Trapper, they will still see their status effect on their original target, and the Spy will believe that their Bug triggered on their original target.
• If an evildoer visits your Taunt target, they will be told this, but they will not be affected by your shenanigans.
• Direct attacks from Town-aligned players will not be affected by your ability, but they will not learn the same info that evildoers would.

Attributes:

• Your Defense is Ethereal, so it will only protect you from attacks from evildoers.
• If all Townies die, you will leave the Town in victory.
• You are immune to Roleblocks.
• If a Hex Bomb is initiated or Death brings about the Apocalypse, you will survive for no reason but for a cool effect.

Original Idea for Vanilla:
#1291139795858231438

:Smog:

well

now I need to think of a crus rework, and I can't use this idea because that rips off Trickster

[lofty raven]

[The Maverick] Starspawn Rework - Falsifying Beguiler Rework

[neon lance]

Old Disg was just bad, and doesn't need to be re-added as an ability especially on a NP. SS is strong as is, and I don't think it needs a rework at the moment.

but np beguiler could work as a separate NP

[lofty raven]

Old Disguiser isn't included in this rework

this only hides its own role as a last-ditch effort to support evils

this is essentially so Starspawn isn't as loud as it previously was, while still letting evildoers know its existence

[neon lance]

stargaze is litteraly old disg

[lofty raven]

I didn't post this earlier because poisoner didn't have smog

[lofty raven]

this only hides its own role

[neon lance]

old disg used to appear as a townie that they visited when they died

[lofty raven]

deception working during the day is not a bad thing

[lofty raven]

that's not even the same thing

it doesn't swap identities it makes up its own

[neon lance]

when they were hanged, they appeared as that townie

[lofty raven]

it doesn't need to kill anyone either

[neon lance]

that was before it was reworked to how it was in tos1 currently

it really could get a mislynch in once in a blue moon in lower elo lobbies

[lofty raven]

you are currently explaining to me why old Disguiser was bad

not this rework

[neon lance]

Stargaze is an unnecessary ability is what I am saying

[lofty raven]

it really isn't

[neon lance]

then how does it feed into its identity

[lofty raven]

it gives the Starspawn anonymity

nobody actually knows when the Starspawn is dead or alive

maybe evils will, but townies won't

its ability isn't even loud

[neon lance]

then why not just slap this on any NP

[lofty raven]

because it doesn't work on any NP

[neon lance]

then why does it work with this one

[lofty raven]

because it's not loud

[neon lance]

SS is loud, thats the point of SS

UO isnt exactly silent

[lofty raven]

how on earth is the point of SS to be loud

and why is it a good thing

that just tells you what NPs not to be afraid of

because you know what NP is already in play

there can't be more than 1

even in TAA

[neon lance]

bro, if people are getting a UO on a non-jailed person and there isn't a crus, its kinda obvious thats its a SS

[lofty raven]

Poisoner has that handled

the same way Rit keeps VFA in modes where Doomsayer can't spawn

[lofty raven]

[The Maverick] Starspawn Rework - Falsifying Beguiler Rework v1.1

Added Clause to...

• Attributes
  -# - You are immune to Roleblocks.

[cold acorn]

do crusaders get redirected

[storm crest]

nah

daybreak on top

[finite hound]

the redirection role not being roleblock immune is crazy

i assume you're still able to self isolate?

[storm crest]

also i just dislike this

why is SS

the like

most balanced role

being turned into a witch hybrid

when witching is literally good enough to be it's own fucking role

[fringe cove]

this wincon makes it unable to win with lovers btw

or in a draw

[storm crest]

huh?

wait why can NP have lovers in the first place

[fringe cove]

they can't

[storm crest]

ok so there is no problem

[fringe cove]

I'm saying in the case an NP for whatever reason was in the mode

if lovers win and theres a townie alive they lose

they also lose in a 2v2 stalemate

wincon is just weird being changed to be "You only win if there's no Town alive when the game ends"

[cold acorn]

just assume its current pariah wincon

[storm crest]

how would Np even work in lovers win

because...

can't a mostly town lovers win happen?

[verbal turret]

immovable

[sleek crown]

This is like, transporter ish? I'm a bit confused

[fringe cove]

yes

but town didnt win

so starspawn would win

[storm crest]

it's witch

it's fucking

silent witch

PLUS

isolate

AT THE SAME TIME

[fringe cove]

thats

its transporter

[storm crest]

no

[fringe cove]

without reflecting b to a

[storm crest]

dude

it says "first target"

[fringe cove]

wow

i can read

[storm crest]

bro no you don't

LOOK

FUCKING

WITCH

CONTROL ABILITY 1

TARGET ABILITY 2

NOW TELL ME

WHAT WOULD BE ABILITY 1

IF ALLURE IS ABILITY 2

FUCKING ISOLATE

BUT THEN HOW THE FUCK DOES TRANSPORTER WORK

IF YOUR BOUNCING ON ONE TARGET??

?????????????

@fringe cove im literally correct

[cold acorn]

beguiler

[fringe cove]

Nah

[cold acorn]

it literally says this in the title

[fringe cove]

i never played btos1

but witch isnt close to this

as this is close to transporter

beguiler was transporter without moving B to A no?

[cold acorn]

it was A to B

only

so yeah

[fringe cove]

im literally correct - the other wrong one

[sleek crown]

This is the argument of all time

[cold acorn]

real

[fringe cove]

hi nugget

[sleek crown]

Hiiii

[lofty raven]

sorry I haven't been responding to any pings, I've been offline

I also have something to do rn

[mortal charm]

Starspawn is fine currently if anything I rather this be on a new NP

[sand bridge]

So Sellsword. Sellsword isn't bad, it's good.

Only issue with this is that Daybreak has better anti-TPOW value than Disguising your role when you die.

[sand bridge]

No, because NP has a good 66% chance to stop TPLO. Adding more NP means that TPLO becomes more viable.

[cold acorn]

add more pariah to cook anti tplo

real

[sand bridge]

That works, but you start to run out of ideas.

[cold acorn]

which is why we don’t need more roles if they’re just going to overlap

but if we absolutely had to incorporating more anti tplo wouldnt hurt

[sand bridge]

point is, if we just get more NPs and the chance of TPLO reduction is less than 50%, then suddenly people are going to legitimately do TPLO again unless you guarantee Poisoner in the list.

[sand bridge]

yeah that would help, but ultimately the selection of NPs we have is fine. Maverick has the right idea even if the execution wasn't that great.

[lofty raven]

it's NP Beguiler

Disruptive and Deceptive

anyways let me

actually respond

now

my discord mobile is fucked up

[cold acorn]

discord L as always

[lofty raven]

no, but would it be better if it worked that way?

(I tried to send that message about 3 hours ago)

[cold acorn]

just wondering since if it did it’d need to be flat out disruption immune

[lofty raven]

this is the exact win con that every other NP has 💀

[cold acorn]

uh no

pariah win if town loses or all townies die

(draw by stalemate)

(town traitor hunt)

[lofty raven]

oh

well

that's what I meant obviously

updated

not sure if my original "You win as long as the Town does not." is better but

[lofty raven]

Witch is an absolutely broken ability that Coven shouldn't even have

it's actually more powerful for the role it has

complete redirection is more of a side ability, this actually leans more info a deceptive NP

which we don't have yet

it's also not loud asf

[lofty raven]

it's

beguiler

[mortal charm]

Well Its 1 NP per game so that's not really an issue no?

[fringe cove]

what moiler is saying is

if judge spawns there is no anti tplo

judge counters that by being absurdly broken (or was)

[sand bridge]

^

There's currently a 66% chance of day 1 TPLO having the counter spawn in.

If Judge spawns, no counter. but it was cracked.

[fringe cove]

its still kinda just

A- tier

its not A+ tier like Starspawn but its better then Auditor (B tier IMO)

[mortal charm]

Fair enough

[lofty raven]

[The Maverick] Starspawn Rework - Falsifying Beguiler Rework v1.11

Added Clause to...

• Attributes
  -# - If a Hex Bomb is initiated or Death brings about the Apocalypse, you will survive for no reason but for a cool effect.

[sand bridge]

This is bad.

[lofty raven]

the game ends after this though?

even when it's Town Death, killing NPs isn't a part of Town's wincon

[sand bridge]

It's for no reason.

[lofty raven]

it doesn't affect balance it just happens

[knotty mirage]

In 2 months time you should also add an update for when it gets hit with a Vigilante it gets a special message saying how it was shot by a Vigilante and call it v1.12

Maybe in another 4 months you could add something unique for Deputy as well