Crus rework/Socialite added

[novel remnant]

Crusader (Town Protective)

Attack: None
Defense: None
Disruption immune: No

Abilities:
(♾️,🌙) Barricade

• Barricade your target. This gives them the Barricaded status effect.

(♾️,🌙, toggleable) Fortify

• Grant all Barricaded targets powerful defense.
• Barricaded targets lose their Barricade.

Socialite (Town Support)

Attack: None
Defense: None
Disruption immune: Yes

Abilities:
(♾️,☀️) Invite

• Grant your target immunity to Unknown Obstacles caused by you. Select a target who already has an Invite to remove their invite.
• May be used multiple times a day.

(♾️,🌙) Party

• Cause all visitors on your target to receive an Unknown Obstacle unless they have an invite.

[dull parrot]

There seems to be 0 restrictions on crus, hello Super Cleric
Also why is it disruption immune

[novel remnant]

True

[shut comet]

still cleric on crack

[novel remnant]

I'll remove disruption immunity

[shut comet]

we don't really need socialite added

[dull parrot]

I think Tuba said he would want to bring it back on stream not sure tho

[orchid wharf]

I want socialite

so insta like

frick you lagspikes my opinion matters!

But to be fair I'd rather something else despite me making something similar to this

we have too many tps as is

[dire vigil]

arsonist tp?

[wooden depot]

were on track to have more tps in this game then ti

[south furnace]

how dare you disrespect me

*eats your opinion*

[novel remnant]

Soci is TS\

Lemme clairify that

[orchid wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nick-cage-nicolas-cage-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-nope-gif-25135473

well actually

unless guest list

but like aside from that no

[novel remnant]

Invite

[vital patio]

So its just cleric but starting n3 I can heal both tpows every night?

Yeah if anything Blossoms crus rework should become what it is

and then add soci

[wooden depot]

also the crus is just ch1llys oracle rework pretty much

[novel remnant]

Lemme clairify that once you Forify all Barricades go away

[vital patio]

but I dont really even want soci

[wooden depot]

and soci shouldnt be ts

[vital patio]

TS dont need more conf claimspace

[wooden depot]

if it can block attackers

[vital patio]

It would be like moving the over-claimed tp problem to ts

[wooden depot]

defensively

its tp

[vital patio]

Trickster?

[wooden depot]

and i say this cause people will bring up tav

[wooden depot]

trick is tp

then secondly tk

[vital patio]

trick is tk

[wooden depot]

tp in tk clothing

yes

[vital patio]

well your arguement is what it should be

not what it currently is

[wooden depot]

trick should be a tk

by stripping away its tp elements

and soci or current crus being ts doesnt make sense

[vital patio]

IK but your saying that anything that can defensively block attackers is tp

[wooden depot]

yes

[vital patio]

when it isnt

if it has that element but primarily elements of other sub-aingments

it should be that sub-alignment respectivly

[wooden depot]

if it has the primary element of a tp

its tp

trick needs to block an attack first and foremost to even attack

thats a protective quality

[vital patio]

Ik but then it is vigilgante but better in some cases

The order dont really matter its just a mix

[wooden depot]

im gonna hold your hand when i say this

vigi is overtuned to hell

[vital patio]

and putting a role that can kill someone who isnt an attacker in tk is perfectly reasonable

IK

but we are talking about the game currently

what should be in does not matter

[wooden depot]

typically if you want to rework any other tk you need to address problems outside of the role itself

much like with vigi

thats also a problem for other buckets aswell

[bleak axle]

Trick is a fine role in the wrong slot
I would rather just move it (or hotswap its kit) into TP than try to beat it with hammers to fit a TK mold

[vital patio]

Trick should be in tk

[wooden depot]

the problem with doing that is just the absolute bloat of tp roles that would be in the game

[vital patio]

its primary thing is that it kills people who are not the attacker

thats what a tk does

[bleak axle]

mate

[wooden depot]

maybe if we gave oracle tricksters kit

then reworked trickster into a tk

sure

[bleak axle]

it doens't even get to kill most of the time

[vital patio]

Thats like saying bodyguard is bad because they usually dont kill an evil

[bleak axle]

My vanilla self wants to put it on Crusader but

[bleak axle]

What

No

What I'm saying is

[wooden depot]

that would suffice

[bleak axle]

the primary thing Trickster does

is protect people

[wooden depot]

vanilla crus is dogshit

[wooden depot]

i want it changed asap

[vital patio]

Protecting people and killing people are in the same rank in trick

but no TP should be able to kill someone that isnt the attacker they blocked

which is why vannila crus is bad

[bleak axle]

TP being able to kill someone has been a part of TP's kit from the very beginning

[wooden depot]

vanilla crus is also just

[vital patio]

did you not read the whole thing

[wooden depot]

green jinx

which is spoiler alert

[vital patio]

I said people who are not the attacker they block

[bleak axle]

Yeah I know I just don't agree

[wooden depot]

not great

[bleak axle]

that that makes it not TP

It makes it a different TP

The main difference between BG, Crus, and Trapper is how they interact with kills after they protect someone

Trickster fits right in

[vital patio]

Then what is TKs main job then

[shut comet]

killing people

[bleak axle]

TK's main job is to kill people it suspects are evil
Except Veteran, whose main job is to bait and distract evils

[shut comet]

without protecting them first

[vital patio]

So your saying that if a role has both the jobs of TK and TP

[vital patio]

then TP takes priority?

What if the order was reversed and trickster got to protect for a night everytime they succesfully killed an evil

would it then be tk?

[bleak axle]

Yes

Because it would primarily kill

and protecting would be secondary

the way it works now

Trickster mostly protects, and serves the same gameplay purposes as a TP

It even getting to kill in a game, at all, is not guaranteed

but it will always protect

[vital patio]

Are you counting succesful protect?

Or just all times it goes on someone

[bleak axle]

Just all times it goes on someone

because even if Coven doesn't attack the Jailor
The fact that a TP (and a Trickster) make them unable to kill him means they are doing their job

creating space and preventing evils from killing important targets

[vital patio]

I still feel like putting roles that can choose a specific person to attack in a tp slot would unbalanced the bucket as a whole

and it would lower TK claimspace

[bleak axle]

It's more unbalanced now

where your TK can just

not do TK things

because it happened to be trickster

[vital patio]

But it would break my favorite rolelist

Brains vs Brawn

Wait no its Brains over brawn

im stupid

[vital patio]

But trickster can still choose a person to kill

[bleak axle]

Not every time

[vital patio]

and it can have the secondary bonus of not screwing town if the one guarenteed tp slot dies

[bleak axle]

I mean it screws over town to not have a TK and instead have two TPs

[left iron]

why would you ever want slow mass cleric?

also socalite is town evil lmaooo

why would you ever want that???

also if no crus/ss spanws

[shut comet]

mfw its crus with a guest system

(Town evil trust)

[south acorn]

thus making it

a better crus

lol

[shut comet]

yep

[orchid wharf]

make socialite np

end of story

[orchid wharf]

#1309925153504759920

[orchid wharf]

thats starsader not starcialite 😭

[shut comet]

yours is just better starspawn

[stable zealot]

bestie thats the same thing

[shut comet]

because why block when you can just fucking send them elsewhere

[stable zealot]

socialitch

witchialite

[orchid wharf]

I mean isnt that how beguiler works

[shut comet]

does beguiler exist in this game?

[stable zealot]

yes

[shut comet]

💀

[wooden depot]

🔴

[orchid wharf]

no but like its still the same thing

[wooden depot]

yes it does ^

[stable zealot]

real

[shut comet]

[stable zealot]

Anyway this is trash + bring back old socialite

[shut comet]

not the second part

[stable zealot]

who doesnt like blocking chat

fuck coven/apoc coordination is for the WEAK

[orchid wharf]

old socialite can stay in hell with survivor

[wooden depot]

here are roles if i had to rank them based on how fun they are to play against

[orchid wharf]

both of them can stay there

[wooden depot]

S - old

[left iron]

wait

did i

misread it?

OH

@shut comet LMAO

bro

i read up to here

and then stopped reading

nvm