Caution Rework - Noah

[mental barn]

Caution - ( 🌙 & 2️⃣ )

• During the night, you become Cautious of your surroundings which also makes you appear innocent.

• When you attack, you will target one additional player.

• If your attack puts you at risk or is likely to fail, you will instead attack the additional target.

• If you are Roleblocked by any role, you will not kill the blocker.

• Attacking while in Caution does not allow your Bloodlust.

Reason

• Nobody likes Caution it's literally the most useless shield ability.

Also the reason I didn't make a SK rework here is because there's already a proposed one by Tuba but if your curious
Here: #1309027915786096670 message

[worldly eagle]

what does this mean? does this mean that your bloodlust meter doesn't go up while you're cautious or does it mean that you wont use your bloodlust if you're cautious?

[kindred hazel]

Caution makes you appear innocent.

[mental barn]

wont go up cause your cautious, bloodlust is only activated through your main attack ability

[kindred hazel]

SK WITHOUT DET IMMUNE ?

SK WITHOUT DET IMMUNE ?

[mental barn]

if im correct

[mental barn]

I thought sk was auto-det immune

[kindred hazel]

yeah it is

[mental barn]

no?

[kindred hazel]

i thought this rework proposed /removing/ its det immune and making it caution-only

[mental barn]

Oh that would horrible no I just assumed sk wasnt det immune cause someone was saying "Make all NK's det immune"

[kindred hazel]

lmfao

I like this buff tbh

the 'appear innocent' is good Compliance compat as well

[sick onyx]

cant be coded in

[mental barn]

hm? how come

[sick onyx]

you cannot give a role single targeting and double targetting in one

[humble flint]

couldnt it be like the jailor gui where you pick a player there and someone on the playerlist

[thorn fiber]

exactly

even if it is one or the other at night

just make it like coroner

pick one at day

and pick one at night

and visit both

[sick onyx]

the tracker confirming me as SK (I'm not claiming seer)

[narrow shell]

Wait you could attack 2 people in one night?

Idk

[mental barn]

You can't

Caution works as a failsafe visit

[narrow shell]

oh

uh ig its fine but I would rather just get the current sk rework

I dont think caution needs to be a full-fledged feature it just is something that the game needs for a slight design mishap with sks kill rbers and jailor thing

[mental barn]

Fair I prefer tuba's rework anyway but I just wanted a way for caution to play a bigger role

for it is currently useless

[narrow shell]

well not useless

its just like a weird design messup where devs realized oh shit maybe we should give sk an option to not out themself with the jailor interaction

[mental barn]

its for very very very very niche conformation and plus 2/4th of roleblockers are evils anyway

[sick onyx]

this also is tp denial

so 🤷

[mental barn]

eh well fuck tp anyway

[lofty maple]

Cautious is good if you have like a 0% chance of winning otherwise and absolutely need to stay hidden

(assuming you don’t get witched or some bs)

[mental barn]

Its barely any good most of the time your winning because of your main ability + bloodlust

[lofty maple]

Good players play around bloodlust.

Same issue with werewolf, to a lesser extent.

I don’t know what sk’s main ability is, since I would assume is “attack” which you do anyways while cautious.

[mental barn]

Main ability is attack yeah

[mental barn]

yeah you win because you kill, any role that kills every night has a decent chance of winning

[lofty maple]

In modes like JR you can’t afford this, as you are playing against the odds at that point.

I haven’t rolled it enough to show proof of concept but it’s unfortunately a reason for cautious.

[inland violet]