New Role ( Occultist )

[hollow hemlock]

Attack: None
Defence: Ethereal

Abilities: 
- Select a Town Role at night to Curse.
- Select a Evil Bucket at night to Charm.

Curse (∞): 
- Select a Role to Curse.
- Curse will Roleblock all players with that role.

Charm (∞)
- Select a Evil Bucket to Charm.
- Charm will grant Powerful Defense to all players with that evil Bucket.

Attributes:
- You are notified what roles you Charmed or Cursed.

Goal: Live to see the town die.

Special Messages:
- "You have been Roleblocked!"
- "You have been Charmed!
- "You will Charm/Curse" Coven Power tonight."


Notes:
- None

[ripe trout]

OH MY GOD EVIL ORACLE

[ripe ember]

mfw NP oracle

is this np?

[ripe trout]

i don't need to explain why this is not very good

[ripe trout]

the win con implies as much

[hollow hemlock]

oh come on why do you always hate my roles dude

[hollow hemlock]

yes

[ripe trout]

i didn't even speak on the last one :7

or react to it

[hollow hemlock]

Oh I thought you were that funky person

[ripe ember]

sometimes you have L roles and sometimes you have W roles it happens

[ripe trout]

no i'm someone with a much worse sense of game balance

[ripe ember]

take a look at like half of my role ideas

[ripe trout]

but even i can tell that this is not very good

[ripe ember]

dislike bombed

[ripe trout]

regardless, even outside of the nitty gritty mechanics, this would make 3/4 NP roles primarily disruption based

[ripe ember]

does this even learn roles

[ripe trout]

yes

You are notified what roles you charmed or cursed

[ripe ember]

so its starspawn level in terms of reveal

[ripe trout]

it learns roles the same way SS learns roles

yeah

it's guess and check

[ripe ember]

im going to take the nearest vigi gun and shoot

[ripe ember]

idk how to feel about this

I dont like roles that cant reveal despite me liking ss

np roles that is

[hollow hemlock]

Not every NP has to reveal

[ripe trout]

also i know it's more than likely implied but this doesn't have roaming clause like oracle does

[hollow hemlock]

that makes it boring

[ripe ember]

Roam?

[hollow hemlock]

Roam?

[ripe trout]

it's not an issue for curse since hangover exists, but you're implying you can chain protect entire subalignments

[ripe ember]

Ohhhh

[ripe trout]

roaming clause is when a role can't do the exact same thing twice in a row

oracle can't aegis the same role consecutively

[hollow hemlock]

em well I would add the roaming clause for both?

[ripe trout]

yeah

[hollow hemlock]

otherwise vigilante is not gonna have a very good time

[ripe trout]

otherwise you're a literal impenetrable shield

[hollow hemlock]

also idk how this this could work on deputies

day locking?

[ripe trout]

also should probably add oracle's stipulation of only being able to protect itself once

[hollow hemlock]

OH im goofy

[ripe trout]

for all intents and purposes, deputy is roleblock immune

[ripe ember]

This is not day blocking is it.?

[ripe trout]

starspawn but different

[hollow hemlock]

Nope

[ripe ember]

Its like starspawns half brother that was originally a oracle

[hollow hemlock]

well occultist is a direct copy to oracle just like starspawn to crusader

[ripe trout]

"direct copy" is a misnomer since there are differences

it's a parallel to oracle

[ripe ember]

differences indeed but they work pretty much the same

[ripe trout]

regardless, my stance remains unchanged: this is not a very good suggestion

[ripe ember]

actually nvm cause this protects buckets

so your saying If the coven is all utility I can simply protect all of them?

[hollow hemlock]

I dont see the issue with that

[hollow hemlock]

I just hope most of my suggestions dont get disliked fully

[ripe trout]

it's fine. like 2/3 of suggestions are received more negatively than positively

[ripe ember]

Most times counterparts are only good because the good counterpart is overpowered or just too confirmable for its own good

thus why most counterparts are powerful

[ripe trout]

not even :7 just look at judge

[sand surge]

yeah
No offense to the people here
But expect most of your suggestions here to be disliked for the first month or so if you're here from vanilla :/

[ripe ember]

judge is marshal that traded their 2 and a half tribunals for a extra vote

[ripe trout]

not even. a lot of suggestions from people who've been around the block tend to not strike a chord

[sand surge]

-# the only suggestion I posted here that people liked was #1292651087190294589 and it got buried, sadge

[ripe trout]

-# oh hey my only positively received role suggestion was also a werewolf change

[ripe ember]

lmao my only decent receives were beekeeper and slime

[fading parcel]

Me when Protecting all members of Apocalypse at once when they all jump the veteran

[ripe ember]

mfw Oracle TT and Occultist exists:

[fading parcel]

honestly, once I again I enjoy the idea behind it, an evil oracle who protects evils and disrupts town, but that is sadly fundamentally bad, due to all other NPs having better disruption (except Judge) and protecting evils is rarely useful

it handles Vets and BGs mainly, if a Vigi or Trick attacked you, you are either already outed or sus enough that they want to do that

[ornate sandal]

Mfw someone writes Ethereal for the defense AGAIN

[proud sonnet]

Cursed is too weak because you either get nothing or like 1 person, maybe 2 sheriffs
the Charm idea is cool but maybe change that to "Salient Coven" "Common Coven"
also imma be honest Cursed is wayyyyy too weak lmao, cause them to be day role-blocked aswell

[proud sonnet]

yeah dude just put 2(E)

[ornate sandal]

Wtf

Ethereal Powerful???

Just write that

[proud sonnet]

no

like how hard is a number to understand

0 = none
1 = basic
2 = powerful
3 = unstoppable

@ornate sandal although tbf numbers do get kinda funny