fathom folio
Attack: None
Defense: Basic on Night 1
Other: Unique | Innocent to a Sheriff | No Immunities
" The Jester will do a cruel prank! "
Jester is not a fun role so i just threw something together
fathom folio
i tried to balance it
minor coral
This is interesting especially since i get killed as jester alot n1 lol
fathom folio
doesnt win during a tribunal
would be stupid if they could
teal geyser
why
fathom folio
there needs to be a safe way to get rid of the jester
minor coral
yeah tribunal is free win
fathom folio
since evils wont kill it
fathom folio
the lynching effect is harmful to everyone
teal geyser
the tribunal only difference is janky though
minor coral
there needs to be a safe way to get rid of the jester
would that not overlap with smth in coding because tribunal is basically lynching already??
fathom folio
would that not overlap with smth in coding because tribunal is basically lynchin...
afaik tribunal didnt let jester haunt
idk if it was a bug
fathom folio
jesters supposed to be able to haunt anyone in tribunal
well it was unhealthy
this can be killed by vigi and jailor too but with a cost
jester as a whole was unhealthy
teal geyser
revenge is kinda dumb
because you could be punishing the berserker who had to take the risk you were real
teal geyser
evils need to scumread too
yes but being punished for already taking out a neutral evil is devastating
wooden juniper
there needs to be a safe way to get rid of the jester
marsh isnt gonna waste a tribunal to kill a jester
fathom folio
evil can try to mislynch it IF they know its the jester
fathom folio
marsh isnt gonna waste a tribunal to kill a jester
but jester may be hung too if no other leads are present
wooden juniper
besides no tk wants to waste their shot on a jester
unless youre vigilante and you have 50 shots then youre fine
fathom folio
i mean its not that harmful for the attacker, just attempts to roleblock them
it doesnt bypass immunity and admirer also exists
teal geyser
marsh isnt gonna waste a tribunal to kill a jester
you often have to
pseudo salmon
revenge is so unnecessary
teal geyser
otherwise its just a vizier that exists solely as an evil vote
since town isnt gonna kill it
teal geyser
i mean its not that harmful for the attacker, just attempts to roleblock them
it punishes apoc and non rb immune coven roles
wooden juniper
what did you change
fathom folio
Roleblocking the attacker -> Hiding feedback from the attacker the next night
pseudo salmon
that's so??? useless????
wooden juniper
tbh i dont really think revenge is much needed
pseudo salmon
just drop revenge
fathom folio
that's so??? useless????
you can say that nicely and not like a fucking dickhead
but thanks for the feedback
pseudo salmon
i'm just calling it how i see it
fathom folio
there
wooden juniper
unfortunately no matter how much you try to poke jester it will always have glaring flaws
undoubtedly this is better then jest just outright killing someone though
pseudo salmon
as long as trickster is in the TK slot, jester is a role town can't consistently counter
fathom folio
well i removed the revenge thing, should be better now
wooden juniper
i think its funny cause how i see it punishing town for lynching evil feels like punishing evils for killing town
pseudo salmon
i think its funny cause how i see it punishing town for lynching evil feels like...
vanilla exe:
fathom folio
the issue with the old jester is that it punishes town for even finding it
AND
jester mostly rides a faction's dick in the hope that they lynch them if it benefits to their win
teal geyser
delete jester
fathom folio
teal geyser
🔥✍️
wooden juniper
and now jester can win as easily as dont claim anything on stand during vfa and haunt the coven leader the next night
👏
fathom folio
jester as itself is a fine concept
almost all deduction games have it
just the execution is wrong
wooden juniper
it just doesnt work here
fathom folio
NE are supposed to be harmful and jester just plays an extra kill for whoever they want
teal geyser
NE are supposed to be harmful and jester just plays an extra kill for whoever th...
being anti everyone equally is pro town
due to how numbers work
wooden juniper
this is why so many people just prefer witchcon from og tos
and why so many people like np
fathom folio
the modifiers this adds when being hung is fine, it adds confusion since roles arent shown and gives town/factional evil less time to coordinate
teal geyser
this is why so many people just prefer witchcon from og tos
pariah are anti town
neutral evil are just hard anti everyone right now
and they really shouldnt be
fathom folio
pariah are basically witch wincon from ToS1
teal geyser
pariah are basically witch wincon from ToS1
thats exactly what they are
fathom folio
and they really shouldnt be
why wouldnt they be?
i mean exe is anti town
in 2 ways ig
gets only town targets and disables trials
wooden juniper
being anti everyone usually fucks over coven more then it does town
just because of sheer numbers
fathom folio
this jester is sort of anti-everyone but mostly hurts town
town has barely any time to vote
wooden juniper
doom kills 3 town itll hurt but they can probably buff it out if they have a reliable tpow
fathom folio
it doesnt disable the trials but makes it harder
fathom folio
doom itself is flawed
inquis = mostly balanced and fun
doom = absolute horseshit for Tpow or 1 faction
jester = hehe funny kill cuz sheriff found me
exe = isnt TOO harmful but harmful enough
fathom folio
neutrals should be immune to being heretics ig
and 2 town targets and 1 evil target atleast
or?
like town needs a reason to hang it
wooden juniper
that kinda does have the same problem with doom though
fathom folio
currently its "guys i have -, - and - as heretics"
wooden juniper
town will obv want to hang it but even if they cant catch the inq in time they can buff it out
cov still loses 1/4
fathom folio
it completely fucks over enchanters or gamealtering roles too
"guys i have enchanter as a heretic" blablabla
wooden juniper
i saw an inq rework but it was pretty much just exe+
fathom folio
oh
teal geyser
why wouldnt they be?
they should be anti everyone, but being fully anti everyone is pro town
instead they should be mainly anti town, but anti everyone in some way
otherwise they’re np lite
fathom folio
this isnt fully anti-everyone
but hardly
it prevents full coordination and factional evil have to plan fast
NK dont have that issue since they usually have a target in mind
teal geyser
well now its not anti evil if they happen to kill an ally
but before with the roleblock
it punishes roles for killing their allies
fathom folio
yeah i admit the rb was stupid
i sometimes have shitty ideas lmao
dont attack me instantly 
wooden juniper
fathom folio
sounds like a threat fr fr
pseudo salmon
wooden juniper
digital bandidos threatens town of salem community with vampire hunter
fathom folio
most of my concept/ideas are well received since i take a lot of feedback and take my time rereading it to make sure it makes sense
i have like 3 active well received roles and then my maniac concept which isnt active rn
but 4 well received suggestions is good imo
lyric knoll
I wonder if activating secret killers also would be too much
fathom folio
for 1 night its useless
lyric knoll
could help coven side kills like rit/pois/jinx if they happen to be claiming a tk
though that is very niche
fathom folio
even if
its 1 night
meaning if poisoner poisons, itll still take a night
and an extra kill with someone claiming "poisoned" is pretty obvious
lyric knoll
right
fathom folio
jinx is also pretty wanky
since it isnt confirmed if u even get a kill
i could add no last wills since seeing the will of a hidden role is sorta shitty
imagine if u kill someone quiet and their will says they were marshal, it should be completely hidden or smth during this
wooden juniper
pois shouldnt even be able to kill
thats crazy how they just slapped kp onto a random cu and called it a day
clear talon
Why not just apply the Executioner torment change to Jester?
fathom folio
Why not just apply the Executioner torment change to Jester?
no?
no need to have it on both
clear talon
no need to make a separate mechanic when a good one already exists
fathom folio
well its unique to executioner, no need to ruin it and give it to other NE
clear talon
why would that ruin it?
fathom folio
because its exclusive to exe? other roles dont need it
teal geyser
ok but
exe and jest sharing a punishment
wouldnt be terrible
since they’re the same concept but different routes of executing it
fathom folio
i personally dont like it, so stop arguing with me about it please
teal geyser
💀
minor coral
i thought it was cool lol
fathom folio
the torment stuff should stay exclusive to exe imo
remote mango