#Con Artist (NK) [Feeback Needed]

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jovial ginkgo
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Con Artist
Attack: Basic
Defense: None

Abilities:

Master Disguise (Day)[Infinite]

  • Allows you to Disguise yourself as any player you have killed. Your Disguise will last until the end of the following night. You cannot Disguise yourself as the same player two nights in a row.
  • You cannot use the same Disguise twice (for balancing reasons)
  • If you are Disguised, your visit will still remain Harmful (meaning that Crusaders and Trappers will attack you)

Backstab (Night)[Infinite]

  • Allows you to deal Basic Attack to a player of your choice if you are Disguised. If you are not Disguised, you will instead deal a Powerful Attack to the player you target.

Attributes:

  • You are role block immune
  • You will gain Basic Defense so long as you are Disguised

Disguise Clarifications:

  • When Disguised, you will appear as the player you Disguised as. You will retain the role the player had as well as any effects they were afflicted with.

Appearance to Other Roles When Disguised:

  • To Investigator: If the player you Disguised as was bloody, you will appear bloody, if not, then you won't appear bloody
  • To Lookout/Tracker: You will appear as though you are that player
  • To Seer: You will appear as part of the faction that the role of the player you Disguised as belongs to
  • To Sheriff/Psy: You will appear as that role to players checking you. (If you Disguise yourself as a role that appears as Not Suspicious or Good, then you will appear Not Suspicious/Good that night)
  • To Spy: If you bug a player that is killed by a Disguised Con Artist, you will still see the visit as "Your target was visited by a Con Artist"
  • To Potion Master: You will appear as the role of the player you Disguised as that night
  • To Witch: You will appear as the Con Artist (Witch ignores Disguise)
languid echo
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this is a spy TF2 reference but bad

light anchor
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real

torpid bison
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Tf2 spy

kindred abyss
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can you use the same disguise multiple times?

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if so this is basically det immune if you kill a townie n1

subtle badge
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why does this have powerful attack???

pine smelt
boreal trout
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powerful attack is a nice conditional for nk, but its not necessary

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NK illu though

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i don’t think this is very necessary

jovial ginkgo
jovial ginkgo
kindred abyss
pine smelt
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most tps either stop the attack entirely or give powerful defense so it literally doesnt matter in that case

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jovial ginkgo
jovial ginkgo
# kindred abyss ...So it becomes detection immune if it kills 2 townies

is that that big of an issue? especially since Shroud (when Shrouding) is pretty much also detection immune except against Seer/Psy + PM. Here you lose the nice part of being able to piggy back off of someone for better detection immunity

Also, if it IS that big of a deal, you can make it so that each Disguise can only be used once, thus making it unlikely that you will be detection immune the entire game

pine smelt
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shit sorry for the ping

rocky compass
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If they remember status effects, then disguising as a player killed by NK and poisoned same night would be bad

pine smelt
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you gain basic defense

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when disguised

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so it doesnt matter does it

jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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I really like the idea but it seems really weak and powerful at the same time

autumn summit
jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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They said poisoned and killed (not sure why nk though)

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Implying they think poison is a status condition

jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
jovial ginkgo
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meaning, if the player you kill was poisoned the same night you kill them

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and then you disguise as them

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you will be poisoned

autumn summit
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Oh hell no

jovial ginkgo
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but you wont die cuz when disguised you have basic defense

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so it doesnt really matter

autumn summit
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Oh yeh nvm

jovial ginkgo
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but if a spy were to check you

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they'd prob see that you are poisoned

autumn summit
jovial ginkgo
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yeah. I think that clarifies things

autumn summit
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We do a little trollin

jovial ginkgo
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lol

jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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I think it’s awesome but I did mention something about it

autumn summit
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“I really like the idea but it seems really weak and powerful at the same time” I said this before

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But if it balances out it shouldn’t matter

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As ret isn’t seen as an issue and it’s the same way

jovial ginkgo
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no offense but thats like saying im republican and democrat at the same time lol

autumn summit
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O no Ik how it sounds I’m just saying it’s a REALLY high luck role

jovial ginkgo
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ah

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well you can play around that

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go for players you think are town

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to gain detection immunity

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if you feel you are secure, then go for players you think are evil

autumn summit
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I mean again if ret is this same way and it’s the best it’s ever been I don’t think it matters

jovial ginkgo
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ah ok

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then the role is fine in your opionion

autumn summit
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I mentioned that before

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Yeah

jovial ginkgo
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from what i am understanding

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like: "yes its rng-ish but it can still function just fine"

autumn summit
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I think the role is fine and I’m really fond of the idea

jovial ginkgo
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ok, i get your point

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good to know

autumn summit
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Exactly that actually

jovial ginkgo
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some people actually said that the Disguise mechanic is too strong

autumn summit
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High skill gap but really strong when played right

jovial ginkgo
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since if you kill a Townie you essentially have infinite detection immunity

autumn summit
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Yeh I kind of agree for btos 2 as an nk as this being in ranked seems really strong

jovial ginkgo
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the only thin that can out you (out of the TIs) would be Tracker

autumn summit
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Ask to ban it in comp lobbies and rank and I don’t think it matters as much

jovial ginkgo
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the workaround for the Disguise mechanic that I made were as follows (curious to see how much you agree):
you can only use each Disguise once

autumn summit
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Gets my upvote though as long as this isn’t in ranked as it seems like some people could honestly almost abuse the role for some rolelists

jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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I agree to that I think that’s a good nerf

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As you have multiple townies anyways

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(Probably)

jovial ginkgo
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yeah

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the other nerf i was thinking of was making it prone to Psy

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reguardless of Disguise

autumn summit
jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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Disguise nerf mb

jovial ginkgo
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oh another thing i forgot to mention

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you do die to Trapper reguardless of Disguise

autumn summit
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Yeh that makes sense

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Vigi still does to trapper

jovial ginkgo
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yeah

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same thing with BG

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BG will attack you reguardless of disguise

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as for Coven,, PM cannot detect you but Witch can so long as Witch has "basic common sense"

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actually, I made it so that Witch ignores Disguise

autumn summit
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I’m not known for making suggestions for reworks or new roles even in my mere week of being here as I’m not good at coming up with ideas more of criticizing (certain parts of) critiquing or agreeing with ideas as I’m not good at creativity or individual details but I’m good at pointing things out and being a second opinion as I’m blunt so don’t ask me for ideas as much as opinions for your sake

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You won’t get anywhere good

jovial ginkgo
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ooooooooook

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got it

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well, I like various feedback nonetheless

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like for example, from the 4 people who downvoted

autumn summit
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Yeh not that you have asked but the feedback isn’t so much of my style

jovial ginkgo
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well, still

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i dont like people who just leave a downvote without explaining why the idea is flawed

jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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I can agree I got fking pissed at spikes for doing that as i had 2 things that could be viewed

jovial ginkgo
jovial ginkgo
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i did NOT mention that

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in the role desc.

autumn summit
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Huh ok still valid

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I’m wondering though if like a n1 bug ruins you then

jovial ginkgo
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cant

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you cant be disguised N1

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no one to disguise as

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you have to have killed at least 1 person to be able to disguise as them

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ah

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wait i see what you mean

autumn summit
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Does bug not still last until triggered in btos? I forget what the spy rework did

jovial ginkgo
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hold up

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the workaround for this

autumn summit
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Let spy only last 1 night

jovial ginkgo
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is that you would have to bug the player the night they get disguised

autumn summit
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Yes

jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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Agreed

autumn summit
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I meant the same night

autumn summit
jovial ginkgo
autumn summit
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Oh

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Yeh I didn’t mean that

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Guess it wasn’t

jovial ginkgo
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so to clarify: if you bug a player and that player is Con Artist and that night they have a Disguise, you will detect them. BUT if you bug a Con Artist on a night when they do NOT have a Disguise, you will not detect them EVEN IF they put on a Disguise on a later night

autumn summit
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Just triggers their bug with no message is how you could code this

languid echo
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but I don't have to

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also don't ping me days later thank you

kindred abyss
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they only see evil visits

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like vanilla perc

autumn summit
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Don’t they see day effects though?

jovial ginkgo
kindred abyss
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they only see evil visits

jovial ginkgo
kindred abyss
jovial ginkgo
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ah

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dang

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ok, well then

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so then hmmmm

pine smelt
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imagine disguising yourself as an insane townie

autumn summit
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Lmao

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I mean with you being nk would it even do anything?

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Actually that’s just dwed that’s blocked nvm💀

autumn summit
jovial ginkgo
pine smelt
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youre either amne

jovial ginkgo
pine smelt
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or fucking bad*

jovial ginkgo
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i mean it may give the PM a heart attack that you are Amne Mayor

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and also who doesnt liked detection immunity for the night?