inner horizon Oct 10, 2024, 1:44 AM

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but like who uses that

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(If ppl need to have it back we can just like, add it back)

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:P

fossil ledge Oct 10, 2024, 1:49 AM

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inner horizon but like who uses that

Honestly, I don't think Rampaging at home is a bad idea to keep.

If you know people are going to be at your house, and you destroy wills, go ahead

inner horizon Oct 10, 2024, 1:49 AM

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I think maybe

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put it to a poll

fossil ledge Oct 10, 2024, 1:50 AM

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could work

inner horizon Oct 10, 2024, 1:50 AM

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fossil ledge Oct 10, 2024, 1:52 AM

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I predict it would be a rarely used technique, but like theoretically if you know TI will be at your house, you would just channel that day

inner horizon Oct 10, 2024, 2:03 AM

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the one thing I feel is that the Channel DI would rarely be used tbh

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in practice

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I hope not, but like

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maybe?

fossil ledge Oct 10, 2024, 2:05 AM

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I mean

inner horizon Oct 10, 2024, 2:05 AM

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at least you Channel p often imo

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maybe it would be useful

fossil ledge Oct 10, 2024, 2:06 AM

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So I think in the most balanced case there's Coven and the Jackal running around, sometimes you just need to lay low, especially if there's multiple seers. I'm chillin.

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Hidden Werewolf where you just let them kill each other and eat the table scraps is a viable strategy.

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Not the only one, but decent to keep them off balance

inner horizon Oct 10, 2024, 2:08 AM

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yeah, makes sense

wooden olive Oct 10, 2024, 9:17 AM

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so from what I understand this overhaul makes the WW a side-grade to the SK?

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both of them have basic attack & defense, as well as maul RBers/jailor if someone ever jails/roleblocks them

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the only difference between SK and WW in this overhaul is that WW can on-demand self-illusion + bloodlust for the next night but cannot stop themselves from killing RBers/jail while SK relies solely on momentum to gain bloodlust but is capable of being roleblocked/jailed without killing them by acting cautious

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actually at that point it's not even a side-grade this is a straight SK upgrade

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the main issue i have with this is that it just makes SK straight-up inferior

leaden rampart Oct 10, 2024, 9:44 AM

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you are aware of the planned SK rework right

wooden olive Oct 10, 2024, 9:51 AM

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leaden rampart you are aware of the planned SK rework right

I am not in fact aware of the planned SK rework

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I do not actively follow news & updates and I only argue with knowledge that I currently possess in the present without the knowledge of guaranteed future changes

inner horizon Oct 10, 2024, 9:59 AM

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wooden olive I am not in fact aware of the planned SK rework

This is meant to be implemented alongside the planned SK rework

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ye

wooden olive Oct 10, 2024, 10:23 AM

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inner horizon This is meant to be implemented alongside the planned SK rework

can you direct me to the aforementioned planned SK rework

leaden rampart Oct 10, 2024, 10:24 AM

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https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1269932268953010198

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absolutely not go

wooden olive Oct 10, 2024, 10:26 AM

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appreciated

fossil ledge Oct 10, 2024, 12:49 PM

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wooden olive so from what I understand this overhaul makes the WW a side-grade to the SK?

Back in my day Werewolf was the rampaging NK and that's that.

wooden olive Oct 10, 2024, 2:33 PM

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fossil ledge Back in my day Werewolf was the rampaging NK and that's that.

so true fellow TOS1 player

proper cypress Oct 10, 2024, 3:52 PM

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Me when I get rampaged by vet 💀

proper cypress Oct 10, 2024, 3:53 PM

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fossil ledge Back in my day Werewolf was the rampaging NK and that's that.

👆

tawdry valve Oct 10, 2024, 3:56 PM

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proper cypress Me when I get rampaged by vet 💀

vet is a rampage by definition

proper cypress Oct 10, 2024, 4:09 PM

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I never said it wasn’t??

inner horizon Oct 11, 2024, 1:50 AM

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inner horizon

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Should this be able to Rampage at home?

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Why not

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ok ima edit the post, gimme a second

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done, now it can rampage at home

fossil ledge Oct 11, 2024, 1:55 AM

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👍

inner horizon Oct 11, 2024, 1:57 AM

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:3

alpine parcel Oct 18, 2024, 1:27 PM

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Hm

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I like the control aspect, but in alot of cases couldn't this arguably be a nerf?

leaden rampart Oct 18, 2024, 1:28 PM

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it's a nerf late game

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which is not a bad thing

severe karma Oct 18, 2024, 1:29 PM

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most nk's (Shroud primarily) feels nerfed in late game

fossil ledge Oct 18, 2024, 1:35 PM

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alpine parcel I like the control aspect, but in alot of cases couldn't this arguably be a nerf...

It's a buff for the early game , and adds more consistency overall.

I don't think it's a Nerf because NKs without the stealth factor typically die early on.

fossil ledge Oct 18, 2024, 1:43 PM

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alpine parcel I like the control aspect, but in alot of cases couldn't this arguably be a nerf...

I feel like you could tack on the infinite rampage n5 thing, by just saying "only n5 onward has full moons, you always rampage on full moons regardless of channeling. You can still channel if you wish."

But I don't really think that's necessary here, I think we should give this a try as is first.

alpine parcel Oct 18, 2024, 1:47 PM

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I like what this rework goes for but I think without the scent tracking aswell you lose what little info you already have

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and in alot of cases like lategame, this ends up worse than current WW

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Ima give my thumbs down, but I like what this is attempting

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nah i just wont vote

leaden rampart Oct 18, 2024, 1:49 PM

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I had an idea that was this but you could toggle between being WW and a random ti minus coroner (ui issues)

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 1:50 PM

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could be a day ability for tracking

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tbh

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like you pick a player at day

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start of night they have live tracking

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and the channel can be turned into passive

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 1:58 PM

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tawdry valve start of night they have live tracking

otherwise werewolf rampages are still luck based on who visits

fossil ledge Oct 18, 2024, 2:10 PM

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alpine parcel I like what this rework goes for but I think without the scent tracking aswell y...

I think the scent tracking information was tacked on to begin with, but it can be added back.

fossil ledge Oct 18, 2024, 2:11 PM

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tawdry valve start of night they have live tracking

That's Wild

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 2:15 PM

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Wildling

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 9:29 PM

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alpine parcel I like what this rework goes for but I think without the scent tracking aswell y...

Imo Tracking is doable, this is technically a overall nerf in the sense that it has less constant rampages late game, as you mentioned
this is mostly a result of things brought up in #1289713020385099808 when we discussed werewolf, and the majority of opinion was that tracking was... not helpful much (I quote, "unactionable info") other than maybe faking tracker, which is also really scummy if people know it's a werewolf game
I personally think either way works, I'm down to just like
put it up to a poll and see what happens

Poll to add V2 below: #1292651087190294589 message

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inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 10:26 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/but-nobody-cared-undertale-but-nobody-cared-gif-5024901959061935814

Tenor

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😭

eternal quest Oct 18, 2024, 10:40 PM

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i think its useful so werewolf can get actual utility

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theres no harm in it

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if a ww is constantly claiming tracker anyways thats kinda their fault

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 10:42 PM

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~~fairs~~

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 10:43 PM

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werewolf with live tracking would certainly help get rampage value

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 10:43 PM

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well, how would that work

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I'm thinking on how to add tracking into this if it gets passed

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 10:43 PM

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during the day

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you pick a player

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you get live tracking of them permanently

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when night starts

eternal quest Oct 18, 2024, 10:44 PM

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^

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 10:45 PM

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tawdry valve you pick a player

now its either select yourself at night or not selecting a target passively channels

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 10:50 PM

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tawdry valve now its either select yourself at night or not selecting a target passively chan...

so like
rephrase the current ability for me?
I don't think I get what you mean by this

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 10:50 PM

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channel becomes either a passive ability

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or part of the main one

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and its again

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targeting yourself or taking no action at night

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will channel your powers

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and grant yourself DI

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 10:51 PM

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we have rampage at home now tho, so targeting self won't be an option

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probs

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 10:52 PM

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add a clause

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if you attempt to target yourself while channeled, you instead Rampage at home

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 10:56 PM

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let me reword this to try to see what this would sound like

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 10:56 PM

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inner horizon let me reword this to try to see what this would sound like

am i that incomprehensible

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;(

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 10:56 PM

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no, mostly for my own sake

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Werewolf

Neutral (Killing)
Attack: Basic
Defense: Basic

Goal: Kill everyone in the town.

Maul (♾️, 🌙)
Select a player to Maul.

You will deal a Basic Attack to your target.
If you Channeled last night, you will Maul your target and their visitors, dealing a Powerful Attack to them. Selecting yourself will cause you to Rampage at home, Mauling any visitors.
Failing to kill at least 2 players while Channeled will keep your Channeled status.

Channel (♾️, 🌙)
Channel the moonlight to gather your powers.

Select yourself with Maul while not Channeled or do not choose a target to Maul to passively activate this ability.
You will appear to be town-aligned to any investigative results.

Scent (♾️, ☀️)
Gain the Scent of a player to track at night.

Choose a player to Scent during the night.
You will receive your target's choices as they change, if any.

Attributes

You are immune to Roleblock. If Roleblocked or Jailed, you will Maul the RBer/Jailor and wipe their will.
You will show as Innocent to Sheriff.

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@tawdry valve this?

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 11:01 PM

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something like that yeah

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 11:01 PM

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makes sense

tawdry valve Oct 18, 2024, 11:02 PM

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add a clause saying failing to select a target properly will also passively channel yourself

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if possible

inner horizon Oct 18, 2024, 11:05 PM

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as in just not attacking?

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sure

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done

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this should be V2

proper cypress Oct 19, 2024, 2:59 AM

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alpine parcel I like what this rework goes for but I think without the scent tracking aswell y...

let them still scent track as a second button press like intuit and gaze or control

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on non full moon nights

inner horizon Oct 19, 2024, 4:57 PM

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proper cypress on non full moon nights

this removes full moon

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bc like

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only ww uses it

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and this ww doesn't have it

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lol

proper cypress Oct 19, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Curt’s right though ww is only good because of scent

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And this is just a nerf to an nk without it

inner horizon Oct 19, 2024, 5:13 PM

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proper cypress Curt’s right though ww is only good because of scent

this technically lets you keep rampage if you fail to kill more than 2 players
and also ww past n4 is
really strong

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considering powerful rampage every night

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imo

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but tracking is a big "why not"

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so

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:P

proper cypress Oct 19, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Ww past n4 has too much stacked against it for it to not because it’s weak early game

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And this doesn’t entirely solve it

inner horizon Oct 19, 2024, 5:15 PM

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definitely could use some fixes for sure, I might make it so that failing to kill at all period lets you channel

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as a V2

proper cypress Oct 19, 2024, 5:15 PM

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I just think it should have scent and that’s all it needs to be balanced

inner horizon Oct 19, 2024, 5:16 PM

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personally looking back at it this could use a slight buff

proper cypress Oct 19, 2024, 5:16 PM

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Modern ww would be fine if it just had basic attack odd night along with scent and in exchange remove perma full moon past n4

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But obviously that just makes long games take longer and short games be shorter

inner horizon Oct 19, 2024, 9:34 PM

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inner horizon

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Re-add Tracking?

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inner horizon Oct 20, 2024, 12:32 AM

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👍
gonna readd tracking now :P

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V2: Live Tracking

Added Hunt, enabling you to lively track a player
Improved Channel to trigger passively if you fail to kill with Maul

proper cypress Oct 20, 2024, 1:25 AM

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Could tell Curt again

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Not sure if he’ll get pissed at reply though

late hatch Oct 20, 2024, 1:26 AM

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LIVE TRACKING isaac_pog

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SENSE MENTIONED keeper_nut

proper cypress Oct 20, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Shouldn’t be able to have more than 1 track as this is still really powerful early game

inner horizon Oct 20, 2024, 1:27 AM

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proper cypress Not sure if he’ll get pissed at reply though

eh
@alpine parcel does this look better for you?
:P
Sorry if you don't like being repinged here
(In that case I'm throwing @proper cypress under the bus)

proper cypress Oct 20, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Unless that’s what Curt wants

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wtf you reply to him not ping him

inner horizon Oct 20, 2024, 1:27 AM

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:P

proper cypress Oct 20, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Bitch

proper cypress Oct 20, 2024, 1:28 AM

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inner horizon eh <@313044214323871754> does this look better for you? :P Sorry if you don't li...

(I take no responsibility for this I said he should reply to your message)

inner horizon Oct 20, 2024, 1:28 AM

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proper cypress (I take no responsibility for this I said he should reply to your message)

Throwing em under the bus
and booking it now
bye
B)

dense torrent Oct 20, 2024, 4:23 AM

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proper cypress (I take no responsibility for this I said he should reply to your message)

the reply, if you wanted it to call his attention, would also be a ping :)

proper cypress Oct 20, 2024, 4:24 AM

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it would be relevant though

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also we dont have to

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we can give him like 12 hours then ping him

#Werewolf Overhaul

Poll to add V2 below: #1292651087190294589 message

Werewolf

V2: Live Tracking