Dreamweaver Rework

[wintry ermine]

Reworking DW every day until I get a good idea

Dreamweaver (Coven Deception)

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Dreamweave ( 🌙 | ♾️ )
Drive your target insane. Players who are insane will receive inaccurate ability feedback from their night abilities until a town member visits them.
Your target will not be informed when they are driven insane or cured.
When you die, remove insanity from all players.

Attributes
With the Necronomicon, you also deal a basic attack to your target.

Mass Targeted Hysteria.

[indigo fable]

how would this affect roles other than ti?

[wintry ermine]

The answer is not very well, but lemme ask you this, which coven deception primarily affect roles other than TI?

This can also kind of screw with TP's and some TS's

for example TP's and admi could hallucinate that they protected their target, Retri could straight up hallucinate a missing body etc...

[wintry ermine]

actually i suppose medusa does that but illu and enchanter doesn't as much

[indigo fable]

medusa, enchanter, illusionist all have ways to affect everybody

enchanter can hide information + fool everybody by forging players
medusa can hide information from everybody
illusionist may trick bodyguards + trappers

[wintry ermine]

mhm true

but i'd argue that at least illu's effect is very niche

actually I agree, this doesnt affect non TI roles all that much, however I'd instead argue that it affects TI roles well enough to compensate

TI roles usually open claim, and this is essentially guaranteed misinformation because it directly targets the TIs whereas illu and ench have to get a little lucky

Plus, Visits for LO and Tracker can't be easily messed with right now (except with mass hysteria), whereas this could easily mess with them.

tldr: its TI influence is strong enough to compensate for its weak influence against non-TIs

[next stream]

Ahem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197648675883716669/1291015200408993904/k7UxsO.png?ex=67008959&is=66ff37d9&hm=612a73d5d738b42c1df37bf19531b7ad51252e29f36b415bbd739183339dc597&

[indigo fable]

Question: If this is used on a TP role, would there be a chance that they get results like "Your target was attacked!" even though their target was not attacked?

[wintry ermine]

that's the idea for now, but i'm flexible on that

the up side is that it can cause some further confusion

the down side is that it can confirm that a dw is in the game if the town puts two and two together

[indigo fable]

that's true

what if illu / ench cant spawn in the same game with this rework so there can't be two roles that are somewhat useless if TI's die?

[wintry ermine]

that's fine imo

but usually if all ti's are dead, town is not too likely to win anyway

[indigo fable]

that's assuming its d4 and coven has already gotten 4 kills and a mislynch

[wintry ermine]

even if it's d2/d3, what is the town gonna do without info?

[halcyon folio]

https://tenor.com/view/i-mean-its-alright-gif-26963792

I like "target TI to make them get false info" DW

But I dont like how this is useless without TI

Its parasitic design

https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1269874904837394593

Feels like this but worse

[wintry ermine]

yeah good point

[indigo fable]

if its a set role list then there's a chance town can still win. if it's something like taa then yea town is fucked

[wintry ermine]

i kinda have an idea for that

With the Necronomicon, insane players will deal a basic attack to the town member that cures them.

that allows dw to receive the book and get potentially extra kills with any insane players who are still in the game

mmm but then the problem is what about a 1v1?

unless it does both attack on visit as well as turn insane players into jinxes

at that point it might be slightly over powered

[halcyon folio]

...

No

We're not making gimmicky Necronomicon mechanics

Nuh uh

HM and Necro should get theirs purged

And everything should be standardized

[wintry ermine]

lol