Coroner Rework/Buff

[void pulsar]

Coroner (Town Investigative)

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Autopsy ( ☀️ | ♾️ )
Autopsy a dead body, learning the role that killed them. If you previously Examined the killer, you will be notified that "You sense something familiar about the death"

Examine ( 🌙 | ♾️ )
Examine your target's house for clues. You will immediately recognize if they are the killer of a dead body you have previously Autopsy'd.

TL;DR: Autopsy and Examine can now be done in any order.

Edit: toned down the buffs a lot with feedback.

[serene tartan]

@void pulsar has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[mortal coral]

;p

I mean... it is a buff

from me its a 👍

[cold spoke]

It's a bit of a weird buff

It's essentially a marked Murder, which is strange

[void pulsar]

what is a marked murder?

[cold spoke]

Or am I misinterpreting it?

[rigid thunder]

idk how to feel about this

It seems decent but it unfortunately doesn’t address coroner’s main issue—it is by far the slowest TI and cannot find anything N1.

[void pulsar]

LOL I just queued into a game as coroner as we speak

[rigid thunder]

lol

[cold spoke]

You essentially constantly check a player for Murder until they actually commit murder

That's kinda how I see it

[void pulsar]

mmmh lemme think about it and get back to you after this game

[cold spoke]

Also narrowing down the potential suspects arbitrarily is kinda lame

The constant check for Murder thing is interesting, though weird.

The "randomly narrow down half the players" thing is bad

Like, imagine as Coroner against Berserker you n1 check 3, n2 check 6 d3 Autopsy Bers target, start of n3 you learn 3 was the Berserker

It's just weird

[void pulsar]

i mean

it's just a coroner with a good memory

game mechanics-wise it's pretty simple

and lore-wise, it's just like the coroner going "wait a minute, i recognize x thing on the corpse"

[cold spoke]

I understand it. I just think it'll play strange

[void pulsar]

hmm

[cold spoke]

It actively screws over book passing

[void pulsar]

ah that's a good point

[cold spoke]

So if the book holder gets caught, the next Coven in line could just get insta outed because the Coroner examined them n1

Though, with that in mind, the whole "removes half the possible killers" thing needs to go

[void pulsar]

i can see how that doesn't sound great, but psychic is already random no?

[cold spoke]

If you examine half the players alive, and then Autopsy someone, revealing half the potential suspects, and all but one of them was previously Examined, that straight up outs who the last guy is.

[void pulsar]

hmm true

[cold spoke]

1, 2, 4, 7 is examined, you Autopsy a player and it reveals the Killers are 1, 2, 3, 4, or 7

Because of how your new examine works, if 1, 2, 4, or 7 was the killer, the ability would've already have triggered

Meaning it's guaranteed 3

[void pulsar]

yeah

[cold spoke]

Revealing the role is more interesting than half the lobby IMO

[void pulsar]

but 75% of the time it does nothing

which is what i really find frustrating about coro

[cold spoke]

Yeah but coupled with the examine buff, that's fine

[void pulsar]

yeah i think examine buff alone would be enough

at least to make coro not as completely useless

[cold spoke]

It's moreso an ability to confirm what Coven is in the game and what to do to counter them

Plus the role reveal mechanic works against CL, which is the strongest Cpow.

[void pulsar]

also true

[cold spoke]

Me personally, instead of buffing Coro, I think instead Invest should be nerfed

Trespassing is already hella strong

Things related to killing should be exclusive to the guy who's namesake is related to opening up dead corpses

[void pulsar]

the thing about coro though is that it is very frustrating to play and you are very rarely useful.

since you're so slow, 90% of the time by the time you're set up, the other TI's would've already figured out the killer anyways

[cold spoke]

I get that, but that's moreso a "TOS2 is too fast" moment

I'd argue that Coven Expansion TOS1 was also fast as shit but ehh

[void pulsar]

i wasn't around back then so I wouldn't know about that

[cold spoke]

Coroner is just a role that has alright utility, but it gets outclassed by everything around it

I think Coroner is a fine role, and that other TIs need to be toned down a bit

Coroner could obviously use a buff here and there, but this is too big of a buff

And might lead to a TI Powercreep

[void pulsar]

what about this instead, if you autposy the victim of a previously examined player, it won't say which one specifically

[cold spoke]

That's a lot more interesting

Much preferred over the previous one

[void pulsar]

I edited the post to this version

still though

@rigid thunder had a point about coro being too slow

[cold spoke]

Coro isn't slow. The game is fast.

[void pulsar]

that's a matter of perspective, but they have the same effect on coro being bad

i think with the current speed of the game coro deserves to have a powerspike in the late game like how arso and bers are

[cold spoke]

Speaking of Arso, this does nothing against it lol

Since if you've Examined an Arsonist, you're going to burn when they Ignite lol

[void pulsar]

true

[potent ferry]

Sure ig?

Still bad Invest though

[sleek lagoon]

joined after the fix and entirely confused on what casual and bread are talking. On the end result, yeah it works, quite neat

[lucid heron]

This is kinda like my buff I did for Coroner