#Sabotaged Coven [aka Coven Traitor]

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languid python
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Coven Sabotaged Coven

The Coven cap is raised to 5
A member of the Coven is secretly working for the Town, having to eliminate all of their allies to win! They are assigned the title of the Saboteur!
The Saboteur may not target abnormally [as to prevent it from effectively becoming 'once 3 cov are dead, the game ends in a Town win'.
The Saboteur does not flip as the Saboteur on death - instead, appearing as regular Coven
Sabotaged Coven requires at least 3 Coven Coven or PandorasBox Pandora members to be added. This restriction **will **be checked against the list if it is chosen in April.

In a game with Pandora Pandora's Box enabled, the Saboteur may also be an Apocalypse Apocalypse member!
Sabotaged Coven may not be enabled with any CovenTTApocTT Town Traitor modifiers - excluding ones where the Traitor is not directly Coven aligned, such as an EgotistTownie Egotist Townie.

However, there is a catch [mostly to prevent "Im sabo 5 2 12 and 14 are cov, gg"]...
During the day, the Coven may privately! vote for which Coven member is Sabotaged!
They may only do this once per game, but may vote for such while dead! Even if all of 5 them are dead, the game will go on by one final day to allow this vote!
The vote will only go through if all 4 non-Sabotaged Coven members have voted. They will also not know the vote has gone through, unless the Saboteur was voted.
The vote may not occur if only the Saboteur is alive
If the Coven successfully vote for the Saboteur, the game will instantly end in a Coven win!

Jailor Coven members may see the messages sent by a Jailed Coven.

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Real

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Tl;dr: Coven Traitor smileyface

flat violet
elder stone
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This looks familiar

languid python
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I have no idea what you're talking about

cunning sable
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they can just out them D1

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so eh

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not a real way to prevent it

elder stone
fast solstice
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Merlin from Avalon be like:

cunning sable
tranquil shore
fast solstice
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You can't out all your cov D1

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Think Merlin from Avalon

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Merlin knows all evils at start of game, but if the evil team guess who merlin is, they win instead

tranquil shore
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i mean unless deputy pops out shoot non-book holder and then marshal tribunal hang other cov it will result in 1v1 and sabo will prob win but i think role list with this modifier will be

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made to avoid that

fast solstice
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But there is more issues with this

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In the case of there being no Wildling, once a townie is confirmed, they can whisper to said townie their whole coven team

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Or if they are jailed

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"I am sabo, evils are a/b/c/d"

cunning sable
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ohhh

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i mean yeah true

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i forgot it takes multiple days to get all cov out

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by that time they get voted

languid python
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like recs

languid python
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hm

fast solstice
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I don't really see the confirmed town being that bad

languid python
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added a new clause of

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Jailor Coven members may see the messages sent by a Jailed Coven.

fast solstice
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Yeah, I guess that works

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There is an issue with this as well

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"The vote may not occur if only the Saboteur is alive"

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Means the last living coven is conf not sabo

languid python
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yeah if only the sabo is alive it just

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ends in a town win lmao

fast solstice
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Also, what happens if they start leaving?

languid python
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because the sabo is town

languid python
fast solstice
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No, what I meant is, if the last living coven is conf not sabo

languid python
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ah, fair enough

fast solstice
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And they die, they day still continues, right?

languid python
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tbf the last living coven needs to be conf not sabo

fast solstice
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So that's an auto conf not sabo

languid python
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because if theyre sabo, the game wouldve ended in a town win, ala egotist as the "last town" with only cov

fast solstice
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If you want to be extra sneaky, you can make it so that "if the last living coven is the sabo, and they do not die the next day/night, coven wins instead"

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Well, no

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That doesn't solve the "conf not sabo" issue

pallid sorrel
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Mole botc

elder stone
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Admin Mindnight

jagged chasm
languid python
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Silly

jagged chasm
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It meant no being confirmed as not the Mole so shrug

uneven cliff
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Problem bout something like this is that the entire game is in the hands of one person (unlike VIP atleast where other people may step in) and if that person is a dumb mf that manages to out themselves instantly then the entire game is lost for the town

Also makes me wonder how exactly this would work without max number of cov. Like imagine 3 people dc before the game starts and then it starts with only 2 cov. Or april just brings this shit up with randomness somehow

wintry zodiac
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I'd assume the modifier, since we know they an affect the limits, has a min of 3 cov/pandora

vivid condor
languid python
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Sabotaged Coven requires at least 3 Coven Coven or PandorasBox Pandora members to be added. This restriction **will **be checked against the list if it is chosen in April.

languid python
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where its the current bookie

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so it's not like CVIP can roll as Saboteur with no counterplay