Bodyguard Overhaul (Experimental)

[misty raft]

dev =! staff

[slate yarrow]

staff does not mean coding

[queen jetty]

I meant, from that pov

[vale void]

Ftr I upvoted this because I am under the impression that majority would still fall as if the BG was dead, which does cause their vote to be worth more than normal. That is a helpful part of the role.

[edgy sparrow]

They could probably post "Tracker now sees 1 visit instead of 2 for Seer" and get 120 upvotes within three days

[vale void]

I can’t speak for everyone else, but I genuinely like this idea

[misty raft]

ok but thats a good change

[edgy sparrow]

I know but the point im making is

That change has already been posted

And it got around 20-ish upvotes

[misty raft]

i like this idea, in practice it wouldn’t exactly be good though

[edgy sparrow]

Dev posts make all the difference

[vale void]

I mean warlock got bombarded with upvotes yeah

Imagine

If a non dev posted warlock

[edgy sparrow]

This number would go up by 500% if Curtis posted it

[slate yarrow]

such is salem

[queen jetty]

Do you think that number would be higher if I posted it?

[vale void]

Not to say warlock is a shit role, in practice its kinda just nothingburger
But i dont think it’d be received well from a non dev

[edgy sparrow]

Dunno

[slate yarrow]

try it

[edgy sparrow]

Probably

[misty raft]

genuinely yeah

[edgy sparrow]

You have a green name

[misty raft]

its teal no?

[slate yarrow]

greenish blue

[edgy sparrow]

Eh
You're technically right

[misty raft]

ok good im not color blind

[slate yarrow]

i love cyan like colours

[edgy sparrow]

Fun fact
Females actually see a larger range of colors than Males

So all males are colorblind to an extent

[queen jetty]

oh rlly?

[misty raft]

ok im only partially colorblind then

according to temp

[slate yarrow]

its because back during hunter gatherer times, males usually hunted and didnt require that colout nonsense, but females had to differentiate berries and fruits from poisonous counterparts

[edgy sparrow]

Yeah
Color detection is an X-chromosome trait
Biological females have two X chromosomes, which leads to the development of more cones than biological males

[edgy sparrow]

I... doubt that has to do with anything.

[slate yarrow]

evolution, the ones that could do it better survived

[queen jetty]

I think it’s been quite a while since we’ve been hunting or gathering

[slate yarrow]

thats what ive heard anyways

[queen jetty]

Tbf

[misty raft]

not getting poisoned generally would be built into our gene pools

[misty raft]

humans are still very primitive

[edgy sparrow]

Males have X chromosomes too
Just one compared to two

[scenic plinth]

crazy ass bodyguard chat happening rn

[misty raft]

this is very on topic

[edgy sparrow]

So how do you explain the genetic material for cones only developing on the X gene

[misty raft]

trust

[queen jetty]

Oh nooooo I am so going to ban everyone for not talking about my bodyguard idea rn

[cunning minnow]

BG Buff now sees more color than other roles !!!!

[slate yarrow]

where did those X genes come from.. thats right, their parents

[vale void]

All this to say bodyguard is colorblind

[slate yarrow]

The females with the less colourblind X gene survived and had their genes passed on

[edgy sparrow]

Bodyguard buff
Playing as the BG results in saturated graphics

[vale void]

Cleric nerf
Playing as the cleric turns on hidden roles because they are colorblind

[edgy sparrow]

Meanwhile playing as Jinx results in blue-yellow render since cats are red-green colorblind

[slate yarrow]

WW also yeah?

[edgy sparrow]

Same with WW

[vale void]

No dont ask they just cant see color at all

[slate yarrow]

dogs

Starspawn is colourblind

trust

[cunning minnow]

Werewolf sees uh whatever dogs see

[edgy sparrow]

Both cats and dogs are red-green colorblind

[misty raft]

what is starspawns anatomy

what is it composed of

stardust?

[slate yarrow]

the power of a million suns

[edgy sparrow]

Hydrogen

[queen jetty]

Perception is subjective

[edgy sparrow]

If you cut them open they explode

[vale void]

Helium

[slate yarrow]

carbon

[cunning minnow]

Starspawn is actually just a nuclear bomb

[slate yarrow]

Nitrogen

[vale void]

Starspawn floats because they have helium in them

[slate yarrow]

OH NO ITS FUSING INTO IRON RUN

[vale void]

They sound like they’ve sucked on a balloon constantly

[slate yarrow]

(nuclear fusion jokes)

[queen jetty]

I used to have blonde hair but everyone told me it was more browny
I didn't believe them, it looked legit blonde to me
After I started dying my hair though, and looked back at old pictures of myself, my hair suddenly looked brown
I was confused as hell LOL

[cunning minnow]

BG buff it's now green Starspawn, causing an unknown obstacle on anyone that visits their target

[edgy sparrow]

Your Perception saw a Jester visiting your target.

[vale void]

Rapunzel looking mofo

[queen jetty]

😭

[slate yarrow]

Carbon plus helium produces oxygen.
Oxygen plus helium produces neon.
Neon plus helium produces magnesium.
Magnesium plus helium produces silicon.
Silicon plus helium produces sulfur.
Sulfur plus helium produces argon.
Argon plus helium produces calcium.
Calcium plus helium produces titanium.
Titanium plus helium produces chromium.
Chromium plus helium produces iron.
and after iron stars fucking die

[edgy sparrow]

Meanwhile Hex Master just dumps plutonium on people

[vale void]

After day 11 the starspawn fucking explodes. NP only win

[edgy sparrow]

Back on topic though

I'm all for style as long as its practical

This seems like style for the sake of style

It's not really practical at all compared to the other methods in this game of accomplishing the same niche

[vale void]

I think giving it a perma vote is a bad idea though because that
Kinda makes winning as 1 coven really annoying

Since the game goes down to 2 instead of 3

[edgy sparrow]

This is like if you made a TI that had to solve a minigame and guess who all odd/even numbered players voted yesterday to see someone's alignment

Yes, this might be useful somewhat

But you know what's also useful

TI who can get info without solving said minigame

It's gimmicky for the sake of it, not gimmicky because thats core to its unique niche

Why build a role that can stay "alive" after dying and vote

If you already have a role who literally does not die in the first place and still saves the target

(And can do so multiple times)

[slate yarrow]

BG is literally just worse/better cleric without the counterattack though :(

[edgy sparrow]

My design philosophy for BG is

[vale void]

Counterattack is extensively dumb though

[edgy sparrow]

It should be a heavy-duty TP

One that's weak under normal circumstances

But has the opportunity to become strong on certain nights

For that reason I like leaning into the Vesting mechanic

[vale void]

Because it dying and countering means you literally accelerate the game as a TP for one thing
But you also just. Make it unfun for everyone involved.

[vagrant geode]

BG now becomes a werewolf on full moons

[slate yarrow]

If we make it similar to trick(i.e has to do something else the night after protecting) I feel it will be too much like trapper

[vale void]

Numerically getting a bg save is roughly equivalent to a cleric save in terms of voting power retained yes, but well

[edgy sparrow]

Trick is too similar to Cleric as it is

[slate yarrow]

more similar to crus honestly

[edgy sparrow]

No

Crus has unique usecases

Trick is literally Cleric with a gun

[slate yarrow]

just overhaul cleric

make it easier

[edgy sparrow]

The only advantage Cleric has over Trick is that it can protect from indirects and it doesnt have to give up protection for a night after

[edgy sparrow]

Cleric is fine

It's the other TP that are issues

Because they all either become Cleric

Or they're too gimmicky for their own good

[misty raft]

doesnt trick block rampages though

[edgy sparrow]

True

Trick has a leg up in that regard then

[vale void]

I wouldn’t. Overhaul cleric
I would probably turn a few knobs on cleric though but thats because fulldoctor is dumb

[slate yarrow]

crus blocks everything ✅

[edgy sparrow]

IDP fixes Cleric

[vale void]

Yeah thats what i was getting at

[misty raft]

isnt that the hard nerf to cleric though

[edgy sparrow]

It is, but atm Cleric is too braindead of a role

[vale void]

Um
If protections are also more silent then this bodyguard also gains a larger niche in their save being loud anyway

[slate yarrow]

whats IDP?

[edgy sparrow]

The game can easily be balanced around having TP be weaker

[vale void]

Indecisive

[misty raft]

indecisive protectives

[edgy sparrow]

But still effective

[vale void]

Can’t choose same target twice in a row

[misty raft]

too simple of a design imo

[queen jetty]

TP can't chain protect unless they saved their target

[edgy sparrow]

Unless your target was attacked the previous night

That part's important

[misty raft]

cleric has*

[vale void]

I dont play in cts so i dont usually remember this

[edgy sparrow]

Simplicity isnt bad

[vale void]

Well
Not inherently
The problem is when the simple design is too good or too bad

[edgy sparrow]

Cleric is the benchmark TP

Most of the time benchmark roles suck

Or are OP

But Cleric is fine if we alter it a bit so it cant hug and chain

[vale void]

Thankfully thats not hard to do

Looking at you sheriff and vigi

[edgy sparrow]

Sheriff is a meh benchmark for TI

[misty raft]

1 shot vigilante 🔥✍️

[vale void]

Mostly because cop is town power level not a benchmark

[edgy sparrow]

It would be better if https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1265657926769573890 was added

[vale void]

And yet
Somehow
It became mid

[edgy sparrow]

But then again, Cop is OP

So

Idk mate

Being found by a Sheriff sucks ass

Esp on N1

[vale void]

Well not mid its just

Investigator and Seer are still

Right there

[edgy sparrow]

Meanwhile Coro picks up the breadcrumbs

[vale void]

That is in fact a thing
Sheriff guilties are still enough to make you good as dead, no matter how little an innocent means (which isn’t that little!)

[edgy sparrow]

the only way to fix this would be to buff deveption, which ive done on the cts

[slate yarrow]

Trapper/TS hybrid BG Which after protecting a target, buffs the attacked target and then vests the next night?

[vale void]

I was brainstorming something for Coroner but i think im still undershooting the power

[slate yarrow]

opinions?

[edgy sparrow]

Opinions on #1266063699760775230?

It would go hand in hand with my Invest and Spy changes

[vale void]

I think in a vacuum I don’t like it much but thats because I’m sorta meh on Autopsy, it does stand on its own though.

(Idk I think the autopsy mech results in deception still not working well on coroner which I don’t like that much)

[edgy sparrow]

Fair

[toxic geyser]

Does this kill people

or is it cleric that dies

[edgy sparrow]

It's this

[toxic geyser]

well I still like it

[edgy sparrow]

It's a Cleric- that focuses on a confirmation gimmick

That's the main reason I don't like it

Its a stylish role that wasnt designed with practicality in mind

Since its main use is in a gimmick

[slate yarrow]

and youre a sitting duck after defencing

not better than actual bg

[edgy sparrow]

This is straight up worse than actual BG

But that's not what's being discussed here

[slate yarrow]

but you cant leave games after fulfilling your purpose

[toxic geyser]

this is still better than cleric I think

[edgy sparrow]

How

It's literally a Cleric that's one use and kills itself if their original target dies

May I remind you that Cleric is also hard confirmable

[vale void]

I ~don’t think so unless it dies very late (in which case it can make majority favor town suddenly despite scum having plurality or slight majority)

[edgy sparrow]

No role except PM can fake the protection message, and for PM its basically a lost cause to

[slate yarrow]

and cleric can keep healing after one protection

this is sitting duck, town sided survivor

[toxic geyser]

it's worse cleric sure but I prefer this to current BG

[edgy sparrow]

Most decisive btos2 #1197948822358331523 commenter

[toxic geyser]

I meant better as in fun

cleric is boring

[edgy sparrow]

This is LITERALLY just Cleric if you outed immediately after protecting

Except worse

[slate yarrow]

atleast with current BG you can feel your purpose fulfilled by screwing over apoc/cov
This bg means you get no satisfaction from ending apoc and you have to stay for the remainder of the game

[toxic geyser]

you get a cool niche after dying

[toxic geyser]

true ig

[edgy sparrow]

The hell you dont

Your "cool niche" is the same as BEING ALIVE

But worse

Because you cant do ability shit

[vale void]

This is. Player opinion

[toxic geyser]

spirit of warrior would probably be better if it was added to current BG

[vale void]

Uhhhh whenever i save as bg im just “cool guess i dont get to play anymore bye”

[toxic geyser]

more interesting cleric but still weaker

[edgy sparrow]

That would make BG OP

[slate yarrow]

I feel being a sitting duck after doing ANYTHING is worse than dying and going to the next game

[vale void]

Ye

Question of style then
I will GLADLY take being an innocent child over dying

[toxic geyser]

I don't get how

[edgy sparrow]

You basically dont die after protecting anymore since you can still vote and speak

[toxic geyser]

it's just you get to play after doing your job

[edgy sparrow]

While the evil you kill still does

[toxic geyser]

mmmmm

it's not stronger than oracle and crusader imo

[edgy sparrow]

No offense

But I do not respect your opinions on TP at all

[toxic geyser]

I don't care

[edgy sparrow]

Not after you called the best TP in the game the worst

[vale void]

Oracle is roughly equivalent to cleric if you dont play it like a doofus though
And crusader is. The best lol. Hard to outclass it

(Which okay. Oracle players only clicking tpow are doing it wrong)

[edgy sparrow]

trimman thinks that TPs being able to hug is what makes them strong

Which is objectively wrong

[toxic geyser]

crusader is pretty bad imo
its confirmability doesn't work in PTT/CTT when there's a conf one on the list

[slate yarrow]

who cares about confirmability when you have :unknown_obstacle

[edgy sparrow]

The Poisoner, Dreamweaver, Wildling, Voodoo Master, Hex Master, Arsonist, Vampire, Witch, Enchanter, Medusa, and Auditor who just got blocked by it:

[toxic geyser]

[vale void]

Me in PTT stalling baker and warlock:

[toxic geyser]

Except Hex but yea

[edgy sparrow]

Crus can also block kills.

[toxic geyser]

wait adm can't block kills?

[edgy sparrow]

Admirer is good, but that doesnt mean Crus isn't also really good, if not better

[edgy sparrow]

...no

[slate yarrow]

NO

[toxic geyser]

anyway ALL TP CAN DO THAT

[vale void]

Huh

[edgy sparrow]

Crus can do that AND block all that shit

[slate yarrow]

NEVER COULD

[edgy sparrow]

Do you not see it yet

[vale void]

Did you just think admirer was TP+

[slate yarrow]

CRUS DOES IT WITH BLOCKING OTHERS

[toxic geyser]

I never really understood it

[cunning minnow]

does admi even really do anything

[vale void]

Yes

[edgy sparrow]

Yes

[slate yarrow]

yes

[vale void]

It blocks most evil visits

[edgy sparrow]

It does a lot
It makes targets untouchable by evils

[slate yarrow]

aaaand can :bestow

[edgy sparrow]

Evils can't use any shortcuts to incapacitate a target

They have to kill them, which is an issue when TP exist

[queen jetty]

Info evils can't even check safe targets

[edgy sparrow]

Yeah so its a counter to Rit + PM

As well as Wildling on TPLO N1

Bestow helps increase its coverage

Which lends to its viability over Crus

[cunning minnow]

fair enough, it's just that almost every game I got admi in there wasn't even any evils I could affect

[edgy sparrow]

Let me guess

You queue for chaos modes

[cunning minnow]

define chaos modes

[vale void]

Well
Casual mode moment

[misty raft]

all any

[cunning minnow]

not april/TAA

[misty raft]

april

[slate yarrow]

all any april

[edgy sparrow]

Modes without a set evil to town ratio

[vale void]

But if you roll admirer in apoc modes it does kinda suck

[toxic geyser]

not a bad thing

[cunning minnow]

I'm speaking pandora TT/Jackal lists

[edgy sparrow]

Adm wasnt balanced around chaos mdoes

[toxic geyser]

Me when apoc/pandora

[slate yarrow]

Only thing you can block is frame :guh

[young cradle]

Some roles are bad in chaos modes and that aint a bad thing

[vale void]

Not even frame

[edgy sparrow]

Dont blame me

[cunning minnow]

Admi doesn't block frame

[slate yarrow]

scam

[edgy sparrow]

Blame Tuba who stripped away Adm's ability to do shit to Apoc

[cunning minnow]

it can't affect literally any apoc

[edgy sparrow]

It can affect Baker but thats it

[cunning minnow]

why can't it stop bread ??

[edgy sparrow]

Again, blame Tuba

Tuba always overnerfs town

[cunning minnow]

it can't

[slate yarrow]

It should be able to stop frame but not reap/curse

[cunning minnow]

it doesn't stop bread

[edgy sparrow]

It explicitly stops the effects of the bread

[queen jetty]

Temp

[edgy sparrow]

Aka the reveal/barrier/rb

[queen jetty]

There's no need for this

[edgy sparrow]

Im just defending myself here

Tuba overnerfing town is a well known habit of his

It's not like I'm insulting him on a personal level

[queen jetty]

I think it is getting a bit personal honestly

You can talk about these things without roping him into it

[edgy sparrow]

I'm not going to sit here and have people criticize a change to my design that I didnt make though.

If people want to criticize Adm, they should do it towards the person who actually changed it

[toxic geyser]

You said it was good when it said it

*he said it

[queen jetty]

Fair, but you can just say "I wasn't the one who made that choice / I didn't want it that way"

[edgy sparrow]

The only thing I said was good was the bestow charge nerf

I dmed him plenty afterwards to try to make changes

And I did manage to get adm to affect Audit

[queen jetty]

Also priming abilities bypassing safe literally was your decision

[edgy sparrow]

Not frames

[queen jetty]

That was tuba fair

[edgy sparrow]

Not taking away its ability to give people true info

That's the shit people were complaining about

[queen jetty]

I do wonder how much of a healthy design it is in the first place though tbf

If there's that innate fear to let it be that good

[young cradle]

Yeah about that.. its bugged lmao

[edgy sparrow]

I know

[slate yarrow]

Ok stop it this is a bodyguard rework

[edgy sparrow]

My counterpoint to this is always
Just
Kill the target

Lmao

[slate yarrow]

lets talk about poetry

[edgy sparrow]

People can complain about not being able to take shortcuts to nullify the target

And I go

"Yeah"

"That's the point"

[toxic geyser]

oh yeah nunny this is more fun but weaker cleric

[queen jetty]

Yeah but then there is genuine issues when, roles that were created to prevent certain metas are getting fucked over

[edgy sparrow]

Tuba then added a bunch of shortcuts that I wasnt happy about

[edgy sparrow]

Only if the unconfirmed, forever-unprovable, otherwise-extremely-niche TS design is real to begin with

It balances itself

[queen jetty]

I was more talking about, the foundation of the role

[toxic geyser]

@queen jetty this would probably be better if it killed the attacker but then couldn't vote / some other alternative to being another vote for town

[queen jetty]

That came form Admirer being an effect blocker

[slate yarrow]

so still wanna talk about poetry orrr

[vale void]

um

[queen jetty]

I think, with this idea at least I would like it to not counterattack or anything

[vale void]

isnt that just

[edgy sparrow]

A role that encourages evils to play smart rather than conforming to being living meta-counters that can always get value if town plays poorly?

[vale void]

going back to what it was before

[edgy sparrow]

That sounds horrible ‼️

OMG

Nerf immediately

[toxic geyser]

no it would have SOME other voting power

just i havent thought of it yet

[slate yarrow]

same BG but dead chat

toonooonoono

[vale void]

(also the rebound is still unfun imo so)

[queen jetty]

Alternatively: A role that plays really well into the already existing town metas like tp/lo by blocking evil abilities that counter it

[edgy sparrow]

@queen jetty you know what this reminds me of

[vale void]

it just would suck slightly less for the bg

[edgy sparrow]

People who complain "metable Pacifist is shit because town being able to test powerful roles and having them live is too OP"

From botc

[queen jetty]

I mean I don't argue that though do I

[slate yarrow]

so no poetry for you temp?

[bleak crescent]

Coming back to this, a vote evils cannot get rid of feels less strong in ToS, since it is just 1 vote that can be nullified by killing a different townie

[slate yarrow]

and it doesnt even matter cause the evil/good ratio stays the same

[edgy sparrow]

It's a similar argument principle
"X role does a thing? Well, that thing makes it so that evils cant employ a boring linear counterstrategy to that thing... so it should be nerfed to the point where its useless and cant do that thing (or anything else for that matter) instead"

People ignore the fact that the role is bluffable

And

[vale void]

majority would change

[edgy sparrow]

If evils bluff that thing

And bluff to be that role

[vale void]

because the bg is dead

[edgy sparrow]

Its balanced

[queen jetty]

I feel like this is far away from what I was talking about

[vale void]

that shifts it in favor of town

[heady quail]

@queen jetty has leveled up! (43 ➜ 44)

[queen jetty]

But, this was a tangent anyway

Thanks tatsu

[toxic geyser]

Nunny I might take this idea of post-death activity for BG and make it smth else
(it's kinda worse cleric)

[vale void]

tatsu rping clowner

[queen jetty]

You can do, I'm fine with you taking the idea

[edgy sparrow]

Make it not a gimmick and we're good.
It needs to actually play into a healthy niche and not just be a fun cool omg amazing concept for the sake of it.

[toxic geyser]

I did kinda steal ur socialite idea lol

[queen jetty]

It's allg

[slate yarrow]

Oh right does the dead BG count for how many votes required for someone needs to get voted up

[edgy sparrow]

it would

[queen jetty]

"My" socialite idea is stolen from Mason so

[vale void]

it. shouldn't

[queen jetty]

I think it doesn't?

[edgy sparrow]

Thats weird but ok

[slate yarrow]

specify next time

please

[queen jetty]

Tuba said that if this was coded, it'd be that the BG is actually dead

[edgy sparrow]

I LOVE FASTVOTE META

[queen jetty]

Sorry, I can't specify for every edge case

[slate yarrow]

FAST VOTE META IS GREAT RAGHHH

[vale void]

it resolves plurality in favor of town

[edgy sparrow]

I dont like fastvote meta at all

Its dumb that games can be decided not off deduction

But based off who clicks faster

[vale void]

fastvote meta is a result of doublevoters in general so

eh

[queen jetty]

I don't particularly like ToS' vote system

[edgy sparrow]

It's why Judge is my least favorite NP

[queen jetty]

In the first place

[edgy sparrow]

Just make it plurality

It's that simple

[vale void]

that was ballot voting

[bleak crescent]

||Ballot ||

[queen jetty]

I just thought

In ballot voting people can swap to a different vote last second, no?

[vale void]

speaking of ballot voting temp
run ballot voting in multiday if you dont want the whole "I missed the entire day" thing

[edgy sparrow]

They can

[queen jetty]

I guess though

[edgy sparrow]

This seems like a good change

[queen jetty]

It doesn't allow for situations where fast voting works in a 4v4 or wtv

[vale void]

at the end of the day, the player with the most votes is hanged

[edgy sparrow]

@young cradle you two are on the same wavelength it seems, you can explain

[bleak crescent]

what is this "I missed entire day" thing ?

amogus

[vale void]

longform on cts

[solar tree]

oh lol

[vale void]

normally longform days are 24 hours but
there seems to be a thing where people quickvote very fast lol

[solar tree]

im lurking chat cause im bored my bad

[bleak crescent]

?treeman

[toxic geyser]

?fig

[edgy sparrow]

@queen jetty by the way what makes Adm bad and Crus not? The double standard confuses me

Crus blocks way more than Adm and is way more confirmable

The only different is Adm has Bestow to make up for that

[queen jetty]

Okay when did I say that Crus was fine

[edgy sparrow]

And more investigative properties

[edgy sparrow]

Fair enough mb

[vale void]

crus also stops every component of tplo tbf

[bleak crescent]

The thing about crusader

[queen jetty]

I think you're inventing a double standard on my behalf there

[edgy sparrow]

It exists, I just forgot you didnt hold it

[queen jetty]

This is truly the thing about crusader

Ah

[vale void]

but also tplo wouldn't be viable if LO got nerfed-

[queen jetty]

Anyway, I will say my thing about Admirer was kinda hypothetical

[edgy sparrow]

CTS LO is best

[queen jetty]

It's just a bit of a weird feeling I've had about the rework

And the original rework in general

[slate yarrow]

#1272248321653608541 message

[queen jetty]

And I don't think it's a "weird feeling" for no reason

[slate yarrow]

caught smh

[edgy sparrow]

Your problem with Adm is that its a check to checks, right

[slate yarrow]

(random out of context message 12 years ago)

[queen jetty]

Oh damn

[edgy sparrow]

That's what it was designed to do and you dont think that's great

[vale void]

oh thats
literally the nerf I give to watcher in rolemadness

LOL

[queen jetty]

I said it 1 month ago nevermind

[vale void]

guess it is best

[queen jetty]

I can't believe that I said "I would never say this" and then someone walked up and literally found evidence of me saying, word for word, exactly what I said I didn't say 😭

[toxic geyser]

Common Buggy L

I don't know how I would make post-death BG utility better than this

It IS just weaker cleric

[slate yarrow]

I have too much free time

[slate yarrow]

These are forged?

cant find em

[queen jetty]

It's in staff chat lol

Warning!!111!! SCARY automod evasion

[toxic geyser]

a readable date!

[slate yarrow]

leaking the chats

how could they

[vagrant geode]

Moderators getting automodded will always be funny

[bleak crescent]

Leaked dms

[queen jetty]

GUH

YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T TELL ANYONE I SAID THAT

[bleak crescent]

I LIED

BWAHAHA

[queen jetty]

rEVENGE Dm leak

[toxic geyser]

Big

[bleak crescent]

!! HOW DAER

PRIVATE SENSITIVE INFO

[toxic geyser]

that's a new one

[queen jetty]

MUA HA

[bleak crescent]

REVENGE REVENGE

[queen jetty]

Revenge revenge revenge

[toxic geyser]

I should nickname nunny buggy

[bleak crescent]

Proof of green fruit favoritism

[queen jetty]

GUH

proof of insanity (doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result)

[bleak crescent]

notice which letter this forms

[hot wigeon]

erm ackshually this ISN'T an overhaul!!☝️🤓

[queen jetty]

GUH

WHAT THE HECK

U L'd ME

[bleak crescent]

U L'd YOURSELF IN PUBLIC

[queen jetty]

[unkempt shale]

ok so epic sudden question, wtf happens if you save yourself lol

free immortality?

[bleak crescent]

I'm pretty sure even if a witch witches you to self, you would still jsut vest

so no immortal lleech bug here

[cunning minnow]

You die protecting yourself
Since the person you protected died, you instantly die for real

[lyric oak]

thats really funny but it would prob just be vest

[vagrant fiber]

shroud bg

is possible just saying

[simple thorn]

me when the 6 bodyguards all protect the mayor (there are now 6 ghosts haunting me)

[lucid ember]

this feels like it should be its own role because BG does have a place within the game, really like this concept though it would add a shit ton of variety

[tawdry wing]

very good very good, i hope to see this role functional soon

[severe osprey]

I'm late to this but I don't understand it

Oh, wait

I'm not a huge fan of it

Like it's interesting but that's it

I don't like how players are unable to target or vote for you

Plus won't most of the time the evil just attack the person you protected again to get rid of you?

[tawdry wing]

You also don't count for Town's win condition. If you saved an evil role and you're the last town alive, town doesn't win :) (also, going for someone just saved by the ghost bg is like trying to attack a veteran claim - incredibly risky

[severe osprey]

It's still dumb to me

Especially since you can still talk and vote

It's annoying to deal with when they're alive but you can literally just kill the person they protected to get rid of them

Sounds annoying for both parties if anything

[tawdry wing]

Killing people to get rid of them is a core part of the game. It's kind of the whole point? Not sure why you'd dislike that. Besides, the threat of other TP being on the player that you just saved is usually enough to keep them alive for a night or two.

[severe osprey]

"Get rid of them" I meant them being the Bodyguard

It's not that good of a mechanic with how it's implemented for it to really matter much

And if it were to be better then it can definitely be way too strong

Unless it's edited then it's basically a minor inconvenience for evils

[tawdry wing]

Rather than the nothingburger of the current bg?

[severe osprey]

It's really not a nothing burger

Being able to kill an evil Night 1 and stop their kill is especially good for a single role

[misty raft]

nevermind cleric who doesnt die and can keep saving

[severe osprey]

But it still has the problem of being too overpowering in a single ability, and them having the death gimmick

[severe osprey]

Yeah exactly

[misty raft]

(though it has the tradeoff of being able to be faked)

[severe osprey]

The counterplay to deal with this Bodyguard is so easy and minimal that the gimmick of being a ghost rarely does anything

Evils know who they attacked so they can simply just attack them again, and there goes your little spirit guide

[misty raft]

id rather the punishment for hitting a BG target is lessened but the BG doesnt die from successful protects and gets another tradeoff

because bgs only real issue is its unfun to play as (for most people)

[severe osprey]

Yeah

[queen jetty]

Why do my old ass concepts always get revived

LUL

[queen jetty]

It’s worse cleric

Pretty much

[severe osprey]

That's what I'm saying

[queen jetty]

Yuhyuh

I agree LUL

[misty raft]

funny

[young cradle]

if its town aligned, its gonna get raised