#Bodyguard Rework B

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jade bison
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This is the OG post but now it has an armor mechanic.

Bodyguard (Town Protective)

Attack: None
Defense: None

Abilities:

  • Guard a player's house at night, nullifying Attacks that go their way and learning the identity of the killer in the process.
  • Equip a Self Vest, granting yourself Basic Defense.

Attributes:

  • Upon Guarding a Necromancer's Ghoul, you will not learn anyone's identity.
  • Upon Guarding a Shrouded player, you will learn the identity of the affected person.

Guard (♾️, 🌙)

  • Guard a player at night, nullifying an attack aimed at them while learning the attacker's identity.
  • The attacker and their faction also learns of your identity.
  • You do not nullify Astral or Indirect Attacks.
  • You can only Guard against one attack.

Self Vest (2️⃣, 🌙)

  • Equip a Self Vest, granting yourself Basic Defense for the night.
  • You can use this in tandem with Guard.
  • If you successfully Guard against an attack while using a Self Vest, you still retain the ability to Guard.

Potential Balance Changes

  • Vests disappear after successfully Guarding while not using a Self Vest.
  • The attacked target is not notified if they were saved by a Guard.
elder jackal
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Oh boi, can't wait to redirect an attack into me and die

wispy briar
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so normal bodyguard

jade bison
elder jackal
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normal BG but you fucking die if you're lucky

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without any positive

woven venture
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No it makes all attacks direct at you no?

grave dock
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I thought you wanted to get rid of the suicidal nature of this role

wispy briar
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redirect isnt great

smoky latch
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V2 TRICKSTER FLASHBACKS

elder jackal
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BG killing himself isn't a bad mechanic

wispy briar
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anyways im gonna make the 1 billionth bg post today soon

elder jackal
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stop fixing what isn't broken

woven venture
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I rather just make this CTS trickster where you just redirect the attacks? not onto yourself

wispy briar
woven venture
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BG is the least of our problems

jade bison
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Wait I misunderstood some things

grave dock
wispy briar
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bodyguard being so incredibly unfun and boring to play as is dumb

grave dock
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Just because something is balanced doesn’t mean it’s fun

elder jackal
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you can fix BG really easily

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if you want to

jade bison
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Ignore This

woven venture
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lol

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we need a bg workshop

elder jackal
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Just make it so BG , after protecting someone from an attack, gets wounded and will die at the end of the day

meager hemlock
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if you want this ignored close it

elder jackal
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so he can still vote and act during the day before succumbing

woven venture
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close + delete msg

grave dock
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It’s still a suicide role who’s goal is to die

elder jackal
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and that's not a bad thing

woven venture
grave dock
elder jackal
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you force evils into a 1f1 that's bad for them

grave dock
elder jackal
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you will still die, but you get enough time to vote

grave dock
elder jackal
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temp this isn't blood on the cocktower, it's a game about majority

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bg currently allows you to do a 1f1 for town which is always good for them

jade bison
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And so is deleting

undone harness
elder jackal
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I still don't get why people don't like BG

undone harness
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because its the only tp role that kills you for playing well

wispy briar
elder jackal
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and for some reason people don't understand how dying for the good of the town is a good thing

wispy briar
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its unfun

jade bison
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@wispy briar @grave dock @undone harness @elder jackal edited the message

woven venture
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but nobody finds that fun

wispy briar
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most people dont like it

jade bison
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Bodyguard Rework B

grave dock
undone harness
wispy briar
jade bison
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Look at the message

woven venture
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I didnt play to die n1 for protecting like what- the psychic

grave dock
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Going back to the VM example

jade bison
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At the top

grave dock
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VM is fine balance and concept wise

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If we ignore the vote manipulation being stupid

elder jackal
grave dock
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But is it fun to play against? No

wispy briar
elder jackal
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because removing voting rights is awful

wispy briar
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vote manipulation = op

grave dock
jade bison
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(There's a 30 minute slow mode for making suggestions so I was forced to edit this instead)

grave dock
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Read the message

elder jackal
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VM with only the silence would be an okay role

meager hemlock
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the vote manipulation

elder jackal
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VM is only OP because of the vote manipulation role

meager hemlock
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is so that you cant spam votes

elder jackal
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nobody uses it for the silence

meager hemlock
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because it confirms townies

elder jackal
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because the vote manipulation sucks ass

grave dock
grave dock
meager hemlock
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the entire problem with bmer that they tried to fix with voodoo

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is that it just confirmed townies

jade bison
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Just make the votes silent but still count

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Ngl

meager hemlock
undone harness
meager hemlock
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if you had 4 votes on someone when req is 5

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and they get upped

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its obvious a voodood player is voting on it

jade bison
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Yeah it makes claiming Silenced considerably less bluffable

meager hemlock
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so again confirms townies

undone harness
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vote manip is 100% why vm is an insane role

meager hemlock
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what part of that are you not understanding

grave dock
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Just leave the vote but make it so you can’t change it

elder jackal
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VM silence should probably be invisible

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like you don't know you're silenced

meager hemlock
elder jackal
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you post your messages but nobody sees them

meager hemlock
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is the best solution

grave dock
meager hemlock
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it actually keeps both niches in a balanced way

jade bison
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Anyways, @wispy briar @grave dock @undone harness @elder jackal I've edited the suggestion. It is now the thing we were discussing

grave dock
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It’s good now

elder jackal
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Vests shouldn't give defence against direct attacks

meager hemlock
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still a 1f1 machine

jade bison
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1f1 machine is disabled if the BG isn't revealed to the attacker

elder jackal
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which is worse for the attackers

meager hemlock
jade bison
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Exactly yeah

meager hemlock
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"i protected vs 5 they're evil"

elder jackal
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"Oh boi, I got blocked by a BG and I can't even prepare a will to accuse them"

meager hemlock
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5 has no idea this ever happened

jade bison
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What?

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5 would be evil if they attacked

elder jackal
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Ngl

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this bloody concept looks like it would work better on soc

meager hemlock
elder jackal
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because you're basically creating a bouncer +

meager hemlock
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theres 0 counterplay to knowing your attack was blocked by bg

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or by cleric

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or by oracle

grave dock
jade bison
meager hemlock
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or by trickster

jade bison
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To prevent it from being a pure BG buff

meager hemlock
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bro

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a 1f1 machine is literally a buff

elder jackal
meager hemlock
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you either have a hard confirmed townie + a dead evil

elder jackal
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there fixed it for ya

meager hemlock
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or a confirmed evil dead and a townie dead

elder jackal
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anyways it's good to disagree sometimes

undone harness
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incorrect

elder jackal
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havin' varying opinions allow the ideas to be improved

jade bison
meager hemlock
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and this doesn't

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we're not on the original design

jade bison
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Lmao fair

elder jackal
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basically

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this is vanilla bg but instead of committing suicide it outs the attacker to the town and live

meager hemlock
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its like a tracker seeing someone visit a player killed by coven

elder jackal
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it's a cleric that fucked a coroner basically

jade bison
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But yeah I didn't add the "armor" mechanic originally because I thought it'd be too strong for this role

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I was thinking of adding it

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Lag said it'd be better with it, which is why this is it's own separate post

grave dock
elder jackal
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If you really want to rework BG

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turn him into bloody handler

grave dock
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Fresh should add that back

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As a legit downside

elder jackal
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Handler was interesting

grave dock
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Maybe the 1f1 works too

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Seeing that Armor buffs this role a lot

jade bison