Yet Another Amne rework

[wet wigeon]

Allow amne to remember what they wish in the graveyard during the day then become the role at night, but if tpow dies, they insta remember in the morning (or some other config of day/night remember)

Light buff to current amne

[crisp vault]

This has been suggested

But people go "UEHIESUH RETRI"

[wet wigeon]

oop

[lapis nymph]

!ret

[last orbit]

"UEHIESUH SPY"

[agile geode]

amne part 2

[crisp vault]

Inb4 the downvote bomb

[lapis nymph]

anyways having both ret and amne in the same faction is dumb

[wet wigeon]

basically it's trimman's idea but without the rolebucket thing

[empty wolf]

We forgot there was amne suggestion earlier okay

[lapis nymph]

thats my take on amne

[empty wolf]

lets be optimistic

[empty wolf]

remove retri. 🔥

[wet wigeon]

cause youd want to be useful as early as possible, so this would mostly allow you to choose roles you really dont want to become, and if multiple town dies n1, you can choose which one to become

[empty wolf]

N1 Graveyard be like :
Coroner
Coroner
YOOO A VIGI (Nope it was forged Coroner)

[near shore]

this is a buff more than a rework

[wet wigeon]

yeah true

[near shore]

this is inherently swingy but current amne is ass so

[tough hearth]

I mean that's a bandage fix

amne should prob be removecd

[empty wolf]

Remove Tses 📢

[wet wigeon]

I fell like just remove it has already been vetoed

[spark hare]

whenever someone posts a change to a pre-existing role, come pops up like 3 more lol

[wanton vine]

what if amne worked as like some sort of TP basically you pick someone and when they die (if they are town) you get their abilities (would need new UI)

[lapis nymph]

[pale night]

hi

[lapis nymph]

[wanton vine]

It could easily be removed ngl

It's already Town (Town)

[empty wolf]

It will be Tpow (Fr)

[spark hare]

give it poison and put it as a TK

[lapis nymph]

pois becoming ck idea moment

[empty wolf]

whats this role????

[spark hare]

it's TP enough

[lapis nymph]

uhh idk i think its a tourist but might do something

[spark hare]

also just make ret Town Power

the TS subalignment has been successfully disbanded!

[empty wolf]

"Which Tpow" the one who was Ts before

[spark hare]

you know that one suggestion someone made earlier about amne turning into a subalignment?

[empty wolf]

maybyyyy

[spark hare]

make ret that, but like two uses per corpse

bam tpow

[vestal terrace]

Bad Ret

[echo ginkgo]

I still think Amne being Town necessarily requires a loss of choice. Otherwise you just pick the strongest role in the graveyard and there you go

[vestal terrace]

Also

Guess what

This Amne still has no identity

[echo ginkgo]

Only TT Amne should be able to pick its role

[vestal terrace]

And it’s still just a delayed version of another town role

That’s why these kinds of attempts to fix Amne are futile

It’s an inherently cancerous role

And its niche is already occupied by a much healthier alternative

[echo ginkgo]

I agree with this much at least

[vestal terrace]

Do you have any opinions about TT Adm

[echo ginkgo]

Amnesiac is CT for a reason

[vestal terrace]

Or TT Ti

You seem to like TT being stronger than town counterparts

How will you address those

[echo ginkgo]

TT Admirer?

Uh, no I need to actually play it first.

It seems fine

[vestal terrace]

TT Adm still blocks evils

[echo ginkgo]

Yeah

[vestal terrace]

So what’s your opinion on that

Should it UO Town instead

[echo ginkgo]

TTs have to be able to hide and do conf plays

[flat pelican]

just remove amne for the love of god

[vestal terrace]

Take Amne out back

He won’t remember it anyway

[echo ginkgo]

Are you asking me a real question or trolling me?

[crisp vault]

But we will lose a precious town member!!!

We only have so many 😭

[flat pelican]

its only niche is becoming roles that ret can't raise, specifically town powers, but it doesn't do that well because of the way it currently works

[echo ginkgo]

We have two TI too many

[crisp vault]

And amne is such a precious fake claim especially since it got sent to exclusively rt/ct

[flat pelican]

and even a rework like this doesn't fix amne doing jack shit

[crisp vault]

Such a good fake claim being locked in the CT slots

[vestal terrace]

What this game doesn’t need is less TI

It needs more unique Ti

[flat pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-george-point-of-mice-and-men-gif-16131327

[crisp vault]

I agree with temp on that one

[vestal terrace]

I like designing TI a lot

[crisp vault]

Need more kinds of TI that aren't just "hmm I think this player is evil"

[vestal terrace]

For botc

It’s very fun

For this game it’s more difficult though

[crisp vault]

Tracker and LO do that uniquely at least but they are just too darn precise

[echo ginkgo]

God I wish I had the meme I'm thinking of

[lapis nymph]

add visit deception

[echo ginkgo]

"Hmm this floor is made of floor"

[wet wigeon]

I really like the way sher and invest interlock in classic, we need roles designed together

[lapis nymph]

🔥

[vestal terrace]

My Psychic rework needs revisiting

My Spy rework is fine

[spark hare]

there should be a TI that sees when someone is evil or has been affected by a negative/harmful ability

[crisp vault]

Can't do global info TI rlly, they need to actually fulflill their own niches etc

[vestal terrace]

I like Fresh’s Seer rework

[echo ginkgo]

If Illusionist can affect it, it's already good.

[vestal terrace]

And my Invest rework works fine

[wet wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-mercury-5feet-explain-better-call-saul-gif-26064518

[spark hare]

W but it's very much not mine lmao

[vestal terrace]

CTS Illu and Ench both affect all TI

[bleak owl]

Its sad because so many of the levers I’ve pulled to make unique TI
Don’t exist here

So i dont design ti

💀

[vestal terrace]

No global info and no ST

😔

[spark hare]

I stole it from TrustyGun

[wet wigeon]

you ST ?

[vestal terrace]

I like designing Investigatives in general tbh

[spark hare]

#1135317231912374312 message

[echo ginkgo]

Either way, Tracker can get a shrimple edition change of not being hard confirming Seer, and not confirming graveyard visits

But getting visit deception is a different discussion

[vestal terrace]

Wildling was fun to buff

[lapis nymph]

unknown jumpscare

[viral fulcrum]

Time to become

[wet wigeon]

STICKSTICK

[vestal terrace]

CTS Tracker only ever sees the first visit of a target if they double visit

[viral fulcrum]

FIGFIG

[spark hare]

**banned server jumpscare

[crisp vault]

nugny 🥺

[spark hare]

biscuit

[echo ginkgo]

I don't see CTS Tracker here, you should post it in suggestions since I was going to post that right now.

No double visits
No graveyard visits.

Tracker (Shrimple edition).

[wet wigeon]

BUGGYYYY

[bleak owl]

Designing investigatives for me is pain because this game doesn’t really have a ton of things you can feasibly investigate for

[crisp vault]

BIIIGGGGG

[bleak owl]

Botc you get tons of things to investigate for because of ST, and many ways to manipulate a similar result

[vestal terrace]

Necro and Ret have no reason to graveyard visit anyway

[bleak owl]

But even in like

ToL
There’s a lot you can feasibly have roles check

(No tol didnt do a good job with this)

[echo ginkgo]

Well, it still happens for right now, so I'd include "don't see graveyard visits"

[wet wigeon]

I feel like you want to suggest a new aspect roles can interact / investigate off of ?

[bleak owl]

Yeah but thats not feasible

I have to work within the realm of feasibility, and that realm is quite narrow
So… i don’t.

[crisp vault]

Guys my new tos role can learn how many steps the demon is from their nearest minion

[bleak owl]

Real

[crisp vault]

I will call it the time keeper

[wet wigeon]

tracker

oh

[bleak owl]

Chronomancer

[crisp vault]

LUL

[echo ginkgo]

I can tell what color the coven leader's fingernails are

[crisp vault]

what

[lapis nymph]

what

[crisp vault]

what does that MEAN

[wet wigeon]

neighbor mechanics lesgooo

[viral fulcrum]

Well, my new role knows one of two players is a certain minion

[echo ginkgo]

I read hands

[viral fulcrum]

I will call it detective

[bleak owl]

My new role learns an evil player, and if that evil player dies i learn a new one

[crisp vault]

Oh yeah well my new role might die at any time I call it the tinkerer

[bleak owl]

But to balance it, one town starts converted

[lapis nymph]

tinker should also be priority tt/rec

[wet wigeon]

my role is amne with extra steps, called pick say

[crisp vault]

No way the assassin

[wet wigeon]

temp you gotta see the script

[shut pebble]

I don't understand

[viral fulcrum]

Which?

[bleak owl]

I call it the hunter

[shut pebble]

Bounty Hunter gameplay

[crisp vault]

that's a good idea for an ability, there should be an ability where you don't know your ability but every day you can guess and learn how close you were

Called the Trauma Patient

[spark hare]

but yeah after ret got that one buff amne is now near completely redundant

[shut pebble]

whar

[crisp vault]

exactly like that!

[viral fulcrum]

I’m thinking of making a role that learns one if three players is evil but not what role and EXACTLY one is evil

I will call it Sire

[bleak owl]

I mean okay amne was always going to be redundant when ret was allowed to infinitely reuse corpses

[crisp vault]

ooh good idea we should call it the global

[spark hare]

maybe seer2

[echo ginkgo]

I'm thinking of making a role that can make you appear town but the sire will catch two evils instead

[lapis nymph]

seer squared

[crisp vault]

yes, the clothes makering role

[shut pebble]

Investigator

[spark hare]

the tailor?

isn't that the role that builds shirts that kills harmful visitors?

[crisp vault]

no we will get sued by the sandwich the hedgehog

[wet wigeon]

Original ret (prof)

[vestal terrace]

Merchant (Town Investigative)

**Collect (☀️| ♾️) **

• Visit a player to collect their belongings, adding their role to your Watch List.
• You do not learn which roles you add.
• Players who die are not removed from your Watch List.

**Bargin (🌙 | ♾️) **

• Visit a player to determine how many roles on your Watch List they have encountered.
• You will learn a player has encountered a role if they have been affected by their ability in some way.

[spark hare]

💸

[vestal terrace]

Also has enchanter/illu interactions but they're not listed

[shut pebble]

Wait. What. Who? Oh, ok. Wait. What?

[wet wigeon]

seems complex, perfect for clocktower, maybe too much for tos

[crisp vault]

That's good flavour text for the trauma patient role

[vestal terrace]

It's not that complex once you think about it

Should I suggest it

:thonk

[crisp vault]

I don't get it

LOL

[spark hare]

out of money emojis

[bleak owl]

I get i

[spark hare]

trespassing but funny

[crisp vault]

philosophy moment

[bleak owl]

Unsure on the power
But you learn how many of your day targets that your night target has visited this game

[wet wigeon]

How would you play it tho ? theres a lot of whispering people to find exactly how to parse your info

[shut pebble]

the first and last time you will see this sentence

[wet wigeon]

go for it

[vestal terrace]

TLDR:

Choose players during day to add their role to your list
Visit players at night to learn how many roles on your list previously visited them

[shut pebble]

a complex role that is perfect for BotC and too complex for ToS2

[vestal terrace]

Exactly, hence the theming
You play it like a merchant, getting info from people and checking their claims

[spark hare]

ngl feels REALLY strong especially for confirming TI

[bleak owl]

That’s how I expect it to be parsed
It has an interaction with role duplications

[spark hare]

but so is tracker

[crisp vault]

So, you learn role based info?

[spark hare]

so fair's fair

[vestal terrace]

You dont know the roles of people who you check, so evils can visit the same player to fool you

[vestal terrace]

You learn a number

[wet wigeon]

ig thats what i mean by complex, its very social XD

[vestal terrace]

"Your target has interacted with 2 of your clients!"

[crisp vault]

Why does it keep talking about roles I'm confused

[vestal terrace]

I'll just

Rename it to clients

[spark hare]

weird role

[empty wolf]

what is this

[spark hare]

ngl

[shut pebble]

ok lagspikes

[vestal terrace]

Merchant (Town Investigative)

**Barter (☀️| ♾️) **

• Choose a player to make them a Client when night falls.

**Bargain (🌙 | ♾️) **

• Visit a player to determine how many Clients previously used abilities on your target or had abilities used on them by your target.

[lapis nymph]

🤨

[vestal terrace]

shrimple version

[echo ginkgo]

Bargain

[spark hare]

post it as a suggestion so we can discuss it in it's own channel instead of robbing the amne rework please :DDDD

[vestal terrace]

not sure how good it is

[spark hare]

I mean

that's what discussion's for

it does feel like a mix of investigator and tracker though

[empty wolf]

what in the world is this ;-;

[shut pebble]

Lookout and Tracker merged

[empty wolf]

Wildling???

[shut pebble]

Wilderling

[vestal terrace]

@crisp vault does this help

[crisp vault]

YES

[spark hare]

also shouldn't it be previously visited?

[crisp vault]

BAZINGA

[vestal terrace]

Actually one thing

[crisp vault]

This counts for astral I spose

[vestal terrace]

It’ll be better it worked two ways too

[vestal terrace]

Updated

Now the check is two way

[shut pebble]

i feel like temp wouldve specifically said "previously visited" if they wanted to hide astral visits

[vestal terrace]

It can see astral stuff

That’s intentional

I’ll post this as its own thing later

[shut pebble]

arguably really similar to your invest rework

[vestal terrace]

True

Btw

I also had a crazier ti idea

The one that I was going to name Oracle

But that name was taken

Grr

[empty wolf]

overhaul?

[wet wigeon]

would it be ti ?

[vestal terrace]

Long story short

It would choose a role to "predict” the fate of each night

Then it would learn whether that role received “good fortune” or not

Good fortune would indicate positive things for different roles

So tis finding evils

Evil abilities working

Etc

[spark hare]

that sounds like a BOTC role ngl

[vestal terrace]

It could work

I like intuitive designs

But unique ones are very fun to experiment with

[wet wigeon]

so kinda like high priestess ?

[vestal terrace]

Just need to tinker with it some more

[wet wigeon]

like confirming someone else's info and not their character

[spark hare]

make it so Amne can remember any role but it stays town aligned

[crisp vault]

obligatory hello alchemist

[spark hare]

sounds like the title of an indie experimental rock band's album

[shut pebble]

it was gonna be my Rit rename :/

[spark hare]

obligatory hello alchemist

[shut pebble]

obligatory hello alchemist

[wanton vine]

You can call it Fortune Teller ig

[crisp vault]

Wait that sounds super cool :O

[flat pelican]

that's my oracle rename LMAO