Okay I need to stop posting I'm way too idea-flooded
#Shackler - Neutral Pariah
violet bronze
also I don't mind replacing this to another coven slot I just don't know what this fits into
ornate marten
Thematically this is a Coven Utility role, but it looks to be strong enough for a Coven Power role. How does this work with the necronomicon?
ornate marten
You could simply have Bind disabled when you are attacking with the necronomicon.
flat bay
pretty neat. I don't think it needs Forever Bound though
ornate marten
I think that makes it unique and useful. I do think Forever Bound should stay even after you're dead.
flat bay
doubling effects onto two targets literally does nothing though lol
can't wait to be double silenced
silent lily
New rule : If you are Double (effect) you are permamently now (Effect)
fiery escarp
I thought this was NP ;-;
#1277971000155181180 (that one sucked btw)
stray osprey
Ok whatever
Idk why its in attributes
This is
Shrug
I have no real opinion on it
It seems like a nothing role
Since if you think about it
All it does is duplicate a Coven ability and use it on someone else most of the time
Duping other abilities is either actively detrimental (TI/TP) or marginally useful (Tav)
So
Not a great idea, but it's not offensive enough for me to downvote
I view it in the same way I view Oracle
violet bronze
Why is that
Binding attacks is just free KPN for coven so I only applied that for forever bound
violet bronze
Thematically this is a Coven Utility role, but it looks to be strong enough for ...
I'm pretty sure it works the same way witch does you just get the necro and you target one player
heavy dawn
Binding attacks is just free KPN for coven so I only applied that for forever bo...
lets do it, d3 baker!!!
more of a general complaint
silent lily
lets do it, d3 baker!!!
sounds like a W for Pandora
heavy dawn
oh right this is a free famine transformer
Make it be able to link their own cov
/faction
that way the pmer can heal both
violet bronze
Make it be able to link their own cov
ooh right so you can double PM reveal and protection
violet bronze
I think astral visits apply just not attacks
Otherwise I think this is a coven power right? it does enough to be powerful
stray osprey
Binding attacks is just free KPN for coven so I only applied that for forever bo...
No you misunderstood
heavy dawn
bit annoying
stray osprey
I was commenting on why that clause was in attributes
And not the ability clause itself
violet bronze
Ah alright
stray osprey
Because that's not what the attributes section is for
LMAO
The Attributes section explicitly describes how a role as a whole interacts with other roles/base game mechanics
Not how certain aspects of their ability work
heavy dawn
this benefits hex, enchanter, Pmer, Illu, Dreamweaver, Pois, jinx?
violet bronze
Basically
heavy dawn
Does this work on jinx
stray osprey
this benefits hex, enchanter, Pmer, Illu, Dreamweaver, Pois, jinx?
You can double a Jinx's kp
violet bronze
Wait no
heavy dawn
gaming
violet bronze
🤓 Actually jinx counts as an attack
heavy dawn
twice the chance for the jinx to be outted
heavy dawn
🤓 Actually jinx counts as an attack
indirect attack
violet bronze
indirect attack
Oh right
heavy dawn
which is the same category as bg
stray osprey
🤓 Actually jinx counts as an attack
🤓 ackshually it's "an attack", not "a attack"; an is used as the indirect verb whenever discussing words that begin with a vowel
Also Jinx doesn't attack via its visit
So its not an attack
violet bronze
I guess indirect counts doesnt count but what abt poison
heavy dawn
I guess indirect counts doesnt count but what abt poison
pois is direct
since it triggers bgs and trick and trapper
stray osprey
I guess indirect counts doesnt count but what abt poison
poison is an attack in some cases (bg, trapper, cleric) and not an attack in some cases (adm)
so its weird
id say lump it in with attacks
violet bronze
I mean doubling it would be unhealthy regardless for jinx you just double their luck at most
heavy dawn
also can this make CL double retrain
probably not
since it isnt a targetting ability
violet bronze
I don't think so you cant retrain the same coven
heavy dawn
but rather a shield ability
flat bay
also can this make CL double retrain
LMAO it turns two targetted coven into the same role
stray osprey
4 conjs come out on d3
violet bronze
Nah make it real salem we got 3 witches
stray osprey
reworked dusa with this would go wild 🔥
No Role Reveal 🔥
flat bay
ngl I do think that this is either too powerful, basically winning the game with some team comps, or really weak, often being detrimental by doubling TP coverage
violet bronze
No hangs are safe
violet bronze
ngl I do think that this is either too powerful, basically winning the game with...
I think it works with the same swinginess as coven leader and witch no?
heavy dawn
ngl I do think that this is either too powerful, basically winning the game with...
just dont attack the person the shackler is visiting
or dont shackle tp/lo
violet bronze
also to be healthy I think roles like VM should have a limit on who you can shackle them with
heavy dawn
doubling tp would also be useful to protect your own cov
heavy dawn
also to be healthy I think roles like VM should have a limit on who you can shac...
oh yeah vm 
this with banshee wild fr fr
also death acolytes being able to transform d3
flat bay
I think it works with the same swinginess as coven leader and witch no?
CL isn't swingy and witch is busted as well
this doubles HMer coverage, bringing hex bomb twice as fast
this doubles VMer coverage, allowing twice as much vote blocking
this doubles PMer coverage, allowing twice as much revealing potential
in Pandora, this doubles Baker's speed, allowing for a d3 famine
It would work with other coven as well, just not as well as those
heavy dawn
also death acolytes being able to transform d3
this is the real balance breaker
not with warlock ig
since only 2 cursed targets
or actually
yeah
1 passive+2 from guilty
flat bay
the fact that it's existence allows for double silence and double hex alone makes this too strong
stray osprey
CL isn't swingy and witch is busted as well
this doubles HMer coverage, bringin...
The HM synergy literally means you tick up two days instead of one each time you hex a binded player
It's dummy OP
flat bay
yeah
flat bay
PMer is excusable
stray osprey
PM sucks
flat bay
other roles are as well
flat bay
but those two + synergy with various Pandoras makes it stupid strong
heavy dawn
we getting d2 Pb with this one 🔥
flat bay
we getting d2 Pb with this one 🔥
ong
violet bronze
but those two + synergy with various Pandoras makes it stupid strong
Mm fair enough perhaps I should cross out bread and hexes?
violet bronze
we getting d2 Pb with this one 🔥
real
heavy dawn
Mm fair enough perhaps I should cross out bread and hexes?
and cursing
and vmer
and reaping
flat bay
Mm fair enough perhaps I should cross out bread and hexes?
that would make sense, since they're priming abilities, but the issue remains of VMer
stray osprey
Mm fair enough perhaps I should cross out bread and hexes?
At this point just scrap the role entirely
If you spawn as this role on a team with no synergy roles
You're useless
flat bay
it's unrealistic to remove silencing
stray osprey
It's the old Admirer problem
Making a role that relies on other roles to spawn to be useful is terrible design
It's why Framer sucked
violet bronze
With the ability to just synergize with anything is both bad and unhealthy
I suppose
heavy dawn
it's unrealistic to remove silencing
just add a rework VMer such that it cant double silence
stray osprey
With the ability to just synergize with anything is both bad and unhealthy
Exactly.
I'm sorry, but this concept doesnt work because of that
violet bronze
Exactly.
I'm sorry, but this concept doesnt work because of that
Fair enough
maiden swiftBOT
@violet bronze has leveled up! (18 ➜ 19)
stray osprey
this also allows bers to transform d4
no
violet bronze
You cant bind attacks
heavy dawn
and sk to get rampage n2
stray osprey
it doesnt affect kills
violet bronze
thats your weak point
flat bay
just add a rework VMer such that it cant double silence
doing so makes it more volatile to team comp
flat bay
since there are now more roles it doesn't synergize with
stray osprey
witht the special one time ability
Pretty sure that got removed since it was busted
heavy dawn
no its still there
stray osprey
It shouldnt be 💀
Extra kp for the sake of it is always bad
Lookin at you Poisoner
violet bronze
Now with shackler we finally can have witch np
real
But being fr maybe I should make this NP considering the OG idea was from a NP role called spirit
flat bay
turn it into Coven Special and remove the Control restriction.
heavy dawn
Now with shackler we finally can have witch np
cant wait to have 2 different people killed by coven killing twice
stray osprey
@heavy dawn died last night.
They were killed by the Jinx.
They were also killed by the Jinx.
flat bay
it's too volatile to be in a mode without a set rolelist dedicated around it
violet bronze
It works with anything aside from hex/witch/baker simply because those roles are either paradox causing or just broken
violet bronze
Shackler - Coven Special
Update:
- Forever Bound does not double the effects instead it does the same thing Bind does however, stays on them for the rest of the game till Shackler or they die
heavy dawn
**Update:**
- Forever Bound does not double the effects instead it does the sam...
what the fuck is a coven special
manic compass
this actually can be really op with some sets of coven
celest dirge
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manic compass
PM + Shackler will reveal the whole town in 5 nights
violet bronze
RIP town
celest dirge
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valid shoal
Thematically this is a Coven Utility role, but it looks to be strong enough for ...
thematically it's a Mafia role*
anyways this would be overpowered with literally every other Coven role
violet bronze
Concept was a collector of souls and able to bind them together bringing the coven aspect
valid shoal
it's not a gamechanging role it's just overpowered like Witch
violet bronze
anyways this would be overpowered with literally every other Coven role
And yeah thats the point
violet bronze
it got watered down pretty badly compared to the old version
valid shoal
omw to turn half of my team into Hex Master
violet bronze
me when retrain takes charges and charge roles don't count (At least for coven leader standards)
poisoner is still iffy to me
valid shoal
where does it say that
violet bronze
omw to turn half of my team into Hex Master
omw to turn half my team to voodoo master nobody is talking 💀
violet bronze
where does it say that
Why would you be able to dupe a mechanic that can't be duplicated in the first place with its original mechanic which is to retrain and not be able to duplicate roles at play
lemme add that rq
valid shoal
Pandemic
heavy dawn
I dont think retrain would work with this
since its a shield ability
and not a visit
/main ability
valid shoal
and not a visit
it doesn't say visit it just says ability
vanquish is a special ability isn't it?
violet bronze
since its a shield ability
Yeah I dont think retrain would work with this and I would say no shield abilities but this synergizes with PM swiftly and I dont wanna get rid of that
violet bronze
vanquish is a special ability isn't it?
It is but its still counted as a attack
heavy dawn
vanquish is a special ability isn't it?
right, but the inquis still goes to the target and fucks all
i dont think CL does that
valid shoal
okay I can still point out Auditor
violet bronze
Auditor?
heavy dawn
okay I can still point out Auditor
audi makes his normal visit the audit
valid shoal
Audit
heavy dawn
CL doesnt make his normal ability retrain
valid shoal
CL doesnt make his normal ability retrain
what
violet bronze
CL is astral + DS UI which can't be duped
heavy dawn
not how broken this role is
valid shoal
what are you talking about
violet bronze
another idea is simply give this charges but Idk how that would work with forever bound though it isn't that important imo but I still like it