#Thief(Baker ALT)

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sick hemlock
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First time doing a role rework

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/making a role

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so uhh

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any suggestions

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I tried to make it as different from pest as i could

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ok gotta sleep bye

viscid nexus
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anothe thief famine acolyte concept :)

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I made my own, and it is arguably really weak, as for yours, I think most will argue that it's way slower than baker in all aspects and therefore strictly worse

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I think if you added some amount of utility, however little it is, it will be fine, otherwise, I like

sick hemlock
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its meant to make smoke a bit more widespread

viscid nexus
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Oh, I missed the smoke, yeah that works.

blazing wave
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Consume the B R E A D

lunar sentinel
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Learning roles feels redundant hm

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Also

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4 bread

sick hemlock
sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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But Baker knows concretely (still not very useful for it anyways)

lunar sentinel
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I think Im dumb

sick hemlock
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very rare but can happen

lunar sentinel
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Oh wait they consume 1 bread per day

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I forgor

sick hemlock
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They do not

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are you talking about fami

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or just thief

lunar sentinel
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Then

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3 people visit should leave them with 1?

sick hemlock
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so i had to make it 4/4 to make it not possibly transform d2

lunar sentinel
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But thats one person without bread? Other people have bread

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4 living players need this to happen to them

sick hemlock
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im bit dumb

lunar sentinel
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In ATT Im not even gonna talk about how the meta messes with this majorly

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PTT ideally maybe seer and TPs mamage to starve 2 people

sick hemlock
sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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Yeah Ik

sick hemlock
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k

lunar sentinel
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But Im thinking about transform requirement

sick hemlock
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this is teamate dependant

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which i guess i was going for

lunar sentinel
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I think if you get lucky 2/4 fast is possible but then the last few might be a drag?

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Well tbf who knows what meta will emerge from this

sick hemlock
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and bread stolen by thief cannot be restolen

lunar sentinel
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I feel like a part of PB that controls the randomness of its transformation is having to infect everyone

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With this the variation between early and late might be a bit big

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Well if anything

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I like how it kills TPLO

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Dk if thats good tho

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TPLO feels a bit dead alr

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To me at least

sick hemlock
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Do you think the idea of automaticaly transforming when 5 players are left is good or not?

lunar sentinel
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Also I can imagine LOs just going on Seers forever to catch Thief LMAO (just dont go on Seers ik)

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Isnt that the same with Baker now?

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Well similar

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Its fine

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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Oh so it HAS to bread them

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Baker L

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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No this is just better LOL

sick hemlock
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I think i should change that

lunar sentinel
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But

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Ok yeah

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Idk why my brain thought of that

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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Nah Seer stealing 2 from first visit only is fine

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Although

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There is no mention of how Ret and Necro works

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With this

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Since its the corpse visiting

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Or Necro Ghoul visits

sick hemlock
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and using a corpse would either net the necro/ret a bread

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or give the corpse a bread

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-Ret visits corpse
-Ret steals bread

lunar sentinel
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So the astral visit still steals bread?

sick hemlock
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-corpse steals bread

sick hemlock
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should be fine with the lack of astral roles though

lunar sentinel
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Tbh calling it astral visit trips me up

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You're still calling it a visit

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Semantics

sick hemlock
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but my idea is that only PLAYERS can steal bread

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either dead or alive

lunar sentinel
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Ig corpse stealing bread is fine

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More lost bread

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Crus might also mess with this a bit too much

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Well SS too actl

sick hemlock
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if seer doesnt find enemies

lunar sentinel
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I feel like I should be thinking of actual in game applications despite not getting to test this ugh

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Stress of giving good feedback

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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SS only allows attacks no?

sick hemlock
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just that attacks are more useful

lunar sentinel
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Hm

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Ok but I still think the fact that people usually visit separate people will mess with this

sick hemlock
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though its anti synergy against inciting your apoc buddies

lunar sentinel
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Well ok maybe if theres enough TPs you could argue that TPs could steal bread fast enough

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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Esp if TPs coordinate and go on diff people

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Probably

sick hemlock
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I mean in btos 2 baker is just used as info tool most games i see

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this would be nearly the same

lunar sentinel
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Like PM

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Maybe if you

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Can

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Find a way so people with alr no bread

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Cant be visited

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Cos TPs just repeatedly going on like 2 TPows just means hey those TPows are the only players getting starved for the rest of time

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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Or maybe

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They lose bread visiting already starved players

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Lore wise say "starved players steal and hungrily consume the bread from their visitors" LOL

lunar sentinel
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Since you become pseudo SS

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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But with easier coordination from night chat

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Ok yeah now I can see this sort of working

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TPows get starved ideally n2, then TPs starve from n3 to n5 to a d6 transform

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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Ok feels a bit slow but if this is a bit more nukey could be fine

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True

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Also inciting a player who visits someone who starved makes them lose 2 bread instead of 1

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Dk if that was already added but ye

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Then maybe d5

sick hemlock
lunar sentinel
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True

vagrant remnant
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this famine is a lot weaker

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its kinda just pestilence at that point

sick hemlock
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but id prefer death being more nuke-ish

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in apoc

vagrant remnant
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then the faction is a bunch of glorified arsonists

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not like they aren't already but that would literally be what they become

sick hemlock
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but i have no idea how to adress that problem

sick hemlock
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why are you here lmao @mossy vapor

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oops

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I accidentally bumped it