#The reason why Shroud doesn't need a Rework (and why it's actually really powerful).

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When using the shroud ability, you negate all TPs but one.
Shrouding Crusader: You go through it
Shrouding BG/Trapper: You make them kill themselves
Shrouding Oracle: You kill them
Shrouding Cleric: You hit their barrier

If someone is claiming to be TP on a TPLO call, shroud them and 3 times out of 5 you kill them, and 1 time out of 5 you kill the TPLO caller. Shroud can ignore TP at will. If the TP is fake (which you can figure out by shrouding them), claim a TI and out them. Or if they're Necronomicon holder, you can claim Coroner or Investigator. Yes, it doesn't have a Powerful attack. But it doesn't matter unless you're playing All Any. Shroud can also not be caught by LO/Tracker when shrouding. No other role except Illusionist can fool LO/Tracker.

tldr:
Shroud can figure out all evils, bypass a TP, and has a consistent kill.
The only place it's bad is All Any.

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proud karma
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I didnt know shrouded crusader bypassed their own protection

torn perch
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shroud supremacy

light oasis
torn perch
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but it's still not really powerful

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all the nks are meh

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outer geyser
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The main issue with shroud is you don't get to pick the kills

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Lack of agency in your tp bypasses is inherently a nerf

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I personally think it's alright, just other roles are too powercrept for shroud

calm path
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I agree shroud could do with a small buff but in no world should it get sk's new thing

outer geyser
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Seer wasn't even the problem I was meaning tbh
I was thinking tpows/coven

calm path
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shroud is up there for an NK tbh

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just, coven is too op rn

outer geyser
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Exactly

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Shroud and arso are good power levels

sullen solstice
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you know what at first I was a shroud hater but you have a point

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candid cargo
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SK is

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and I support that

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Shroud's ability is very strong.

hasty heart
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Shroud and Arso have a tied winrate in taa currently

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We'll see with the updated results coming soon ish

obsidian flare
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NK as a whole does, the concept and abilities shroud have are really cool

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but the others are either so powerful (SK) or inconsistent (WW) that shroud just stands out less

brisk crystal
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Powerful and SK shouldn't be in the same sentence unless if the sentence is "SK isn't powerful"

outer geyser
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SK is not powerful

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I believe it's got the lowest winrates or second lowest besides WW iirc

calm path
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^^

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sk is the weakest

brisk crystal
hasty heart
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And then shroud and Arso are tied but have a significantly higher winrate

outer geyser
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Wow, it's lower than ww?
That doesn't feel right

hasty heart
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Yeah

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I’m not entirely sure why

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Of course stats are in no way objective proof of how strong a role is

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I think werewolf’s winrate is probably lower than how good it actually is though, since I have no doubts many werewolves get themselves killed by just claiming tracker on the same two targets over and over

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torn perch
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wws also kill their dupes more often than not

astral wraith
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NK as a whole rework when?

topaz geyserBOT
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@astral wraith has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

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obsidian flare
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hasty heart
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And honestly I would argue SK's concept isn't even that good

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Like being able to get kills off rampage sounds decent

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Until you realise that 1. it's stupidly easy to fuck up bloodlust and lose it

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  1. losing bloodlust means you basically cannot get it back in time, because games move too fast in tos for another 2 days to go without one team having maj
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  1. you can kill other serial killers and be killed by them in return even if you do keep bloodlust
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  1. rampage is wacky anyway because it only gives the possibility of extra kills. If everyone just stays home, it's worthless
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And if you decide to barrel into a tpow to get some kills? Oops! Bodyguard :)

calm path
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WW is actually strong for what it does

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just what it does isn't strong

hasty heart
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It was honestly stronger before there was more werewolves imo

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The risk of them killing each other is immensely high

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Solo WW does fine

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hasty heart
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That's why it has a higher winrate than SK

knotty lake
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okay but check this

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Coroner can literally hard confirm Townies due to Shroud

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negative utility

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Shroud should absolutely lean more into its deceptive side

obsidian flare
brave nymph
# hasty heart Concept vs Reality is very different

Tbh ive only ever seen Sk's get very few or a ton of kills (Like I saw an SK get 10 kills in one game) but yeah rampup killers dont work if you can very easily halt the rampup look at Jugg in tos1 back before it got intrinisc basic defense

ashen ledge
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A wild soul collector has appea-

sweet prawn
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80% of the time you shroud a real someone will die

Cleric is the anomaly, the exception

stray marsh
sweet prawn
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There's a chance you shroud a cleric or they visit a cleric's target
They could visit you and waste th that night's kills

stray marsh
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I mean if they have ss or crus that can be countered

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I feel actually while soc isn’t a role here and isn’t great in vanilla it would be good in btos and it would be a fun way to give shroud a slight buff with the astral for when shrouding a tp