Amnesiac Buff (TS) - Blossom

[solid kindle]

role

⚔️ 0/3
🛡️ 0/3

Abilities:

Each Day & Night until Day 3 you will be given a choice to remember you were like town role that is in the graveyard.

Remember: (⭐/☀️)

Each Day & Night until Day Three, you will be able to choose to choose to attempt to remember a town role form the grave yard.

If there is a town power in the graveyard you will automatically become it.

If there are more than one dead town power that died on the same night, you get to pick between them.

Attributes:

You will be able to Remember a town role once one has died.

You will prioritize and be forced to remember a town power role.

You have up to Day 3 to pick a dead town role, if you do not pick one or there are no town roles by day three, you will be randomly given a town role when one is available to you.

If you are not town aligned (Excluding TT/Egotist) You can pick any role and not just town roles.
If you are not town alligned (Excluding TT/Egotist) you are not forced to become town power.

Amnesiacs higher on the player list get Town power priority.

Victory Conditions:

You Win with other Town members.

Note: EVEN IF TUBA DECIDES LATER HE DOESN'T WANT AMNE BACK IN TS
PLEASE STILL DO THIS CHANGE, PLEASEEEE

amne but it gets to pick

so like

it's not complete aids

you got til d3 to decide

if a tpow didn't die already

[tribal token]

I think I figured the issue with Amnesiac in general

In like, 99% of cases

[twilit widget]

What if they don't want to be the tpow?

[solid kindle]

uh

[tribal token]

Amnesiac is just a fucking worse ret

[solid kindle]

cry about it

LOL

[twilit widget]

I like the cts (tm) Amne rework ngl

[solid kindle]

your getting tpow fucker weather you like it or not

[tribal token]

like no matter what you do, Ret is just better in 99% of cases

[runic marten]

Tpows dying early:

[solid kindle]

tuba said it was too hard to code in stream

[twilit widget]

Rip

[solid kindle]

i can find it later

[runic marten]

that's far from 99% of cases

[tribal token]

Admirer dying N1 and forcing 3 fucking amnes to become Admirer

[red girder]

well okay this is because they let ret have infinite body usage

[twilit widget]

In general Ret does Amne better imo

[solid kindle]

hey

[vast stratus]

yeah

[solid kindle]

this fixes that!

[vast stratus]

amne gets outclassed by ret

[tribal token]

'cause we know how bad ret is without it

[runic marten]

yeah and this fixes that lol

[solid kindle]

unless admirer is the only fucking role in the graveyard by night 3

i don't want to give amnesaic UNLIMITED time

[vast stratus]

does the random one picked by n3 a tpow possibly

[runic marten]

also make sure it can't randomly become tpow

[red girder]

genuinely
I think this might be the only game where I'd see a gravedigger that can dodge guilt and self kill mech be called weak

[solid kindle]

if a tpow dies your forced to pick it automatically

[tribal token]

that's a powercreep issue

[red girder]

ret was never weak I will maintain this

[vast stratus]

no, i mean if there aint no dead townies by n3, can they randomly be picked as tpow

[tribal token]

allow amne to chose between two dead tpows tho

[runic marten]

then the powercrept roles are strong ¯_(ツ)_/¯

not that ret is weak

[solid kindle]

og shit fair

[tribal token]

and that's the thing, ret is basically just a catalyst for broken roles to be even more broken

Vigilante died? TOO DARN BAD

[drifting cosmos]

ret and amne should have never been in the same faction

[tribal token]

Remember old trickster? ROUND 2 BITCH

Still can't believe old trick was allowed to exist

but yeah

[solid kindle]

done

[runic marten]

This should work fine asw because it can just use the generic menu UI that like half the roles use

[tribal token]

Amne / Ret should've never been on the same faction, and them being the same ALIGNMENT is even worse

[runic marten]

What

[solid kindle]

tf do you want them to be

[red girder]

they make sense if ret can't reuse corpses lol

[runic marten]

How is this remotely close to old trickster

[red girder]

because
wow
suddenly amnesiac has a respectable niche

[tribal token]

No I meant how ret allows broken role to be even more broken

[solid kindle]

town utility doesn't exist because this game doesn't have enough roles for it

tf did you want amne to be

[runic marten]

Still wouldn't compare it to old trickster

Old trickster was braindead and had 0 counterplay that was its issue

[tribal token]

mate, I meant that old Trick with ret was broken

[runic marten]

Not that it was necessarily busted

[tribal token]

hence the round 2 bitch once trick died

[runic marten]

Oh right icic

[runic marten]

I think that remember should be a day ability and u can remember on the spot :D

[solid kindle]

it is

it's both a day and night

ability

[runic marten]

Ahhh right

I interpreted star as a night ability

[solid kindle]

its star and sun

[runic marten]

Oh

that's a cloud

[solid kindle]

there might be a better symbol

[runic marten]

thx LUL

[vocal isle]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-club-penguin-club-penguin-dance-skill-issue-gif-24610458

[tribal token]

me omw to become Mayor (It's a confirmed ritualist game)

[red girder]

me trying to become vigilante but im forced to be prosecutor

[solid kindle]

's main purpose is to become

[tribal token]

death

horseman of the apocalypse

[solid kindle]

oh wait hold let me fix the amne non-town cause so that non-town isn't forced to become tpow LOL

[red girder]

why include the clause at all

there's no need

[tribal token]

I don't really get why amne should be forced to become tpow ngl

Being vig is way better than being pros or Mayor

[solid kindle]

funny

also because uhh

[runic marten]

Short version

Remember (♾️)

• During the day or night, choose to remember you were the role of a dead town member.
  -Once the third day ends, you will automatically remember a random dead town role (or a random common town if no townies have died)

Attributes

• If you Remember during the day, you immediately become that role

[solid kindle]

idk i feel like a amnesiac alligned coven

[solid kindle]

sound fun

in lists

[runic marten]

Idk if tpow forced remembering should be there

[solid kindle]

i mean i can take it out

[runic marten]

You can choose during the day anyway so it doesn't matter if it fails at night

[red girder]

why do you say it like this 😭

[solid kindle]

sorry

[red girder]

you are not grammaring

[solid kindle]

coven!amnesiac

am i now speaking your langague

[tribal token]

Cs!Coven!Amnesiac!Berserker could be real btw

[red girder]

you can literlaly just say coven aligned amnesiac that is correct grammar

[solid kindle]

wait so

is it cov!amne

or amne!cov

[tribal token]

cov!Amne

align first, role second

[twilit widget]

I don't get the faction!role thing

[tribal token]

cs!pros

[twilit widget]

Why the !

[solid kindle]

it's uh

[tribal token]

easier

[solid kindle]

mafia.gg speak?

[twilit widget]

Why not just... Coven amne

Cs pros

It's a lot easier to type

[solid kindle]

@red girder acutally where did faction!role come form

[tribal token]

could look like you're talking about two roles

instead of a role + align

[twilit widget]

That's cs, pros

It's not a list unless there's seperators

[red girder]

i use it to reference specific converted roles on my homesite for mafia

[solid kindle]

i forgot i was in a game

oops

[red girder]

so I would say

role!convertedrole

[solid kindle]

mafia.gg?

[red girder]

no

[solid kindle]

dues ex mafia?

[red girder]

no

[solid kindle]

uhhhh

SCII mafia?

[red girder]

no

[solid kindle]

SS13 mafia?

[red girder]

i literally did not know that existed

LMAO

[tribal token]

IRL sicillian mafia?

[solid kindle]

[red girder]

no i play on fortress of lies

lol

[solid kindle]

wolvesville?

[red girder]

well
not often

[solid kindle]

ToL??

Werewolf???

[red girder]

well i guess it used to be the tol forums

buuuuuut

no

not quite anymore

[solid kindle]

ok i give up

say it

[red girder]

reading comprehension

[solid kindle]

fuck sakes i haven't heard of this one

welp time to add it to the SDG games i somewhat know

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS WEBSITE???

[solid kindle]

i can't find the roles page this website fucking sucks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252512547786067978/1252592465014161418/GIF_1932765774.gif

[red girder]

because its a general mafia website we host all sorts of setups

[solid kindle]

oh...

...

what

wait what in the acutal fuck

[red girder]

what

[red girder]

LOL

you found the game im running rn

LMAO

[solid kindle]

oh hell nah they stole tos2

BRO WHAT

[red girder]

READ THE TOP OF THE OP IM ONE OF THE HOSTS

LMAO

[twilit widget]

Is that also being run on the clocktower community?

[tribal token]

Coven Head ? I hope it's the PM

[red girder]

yeah same setup

[twilit widget]

I thought I recognised it

[solid kindle]

yup that's saved buddy

[tribal token]

I have nothing to hide

[runic marten]

perma ban

[drifting cosmos]

💀

[tribal token]

[red girder]

im actually dying what a way for someone to find out what fol is

thats so hilarious

[tribal token]

frone of lies

[solid kindle]

frone of lies

[runic marten]

no way guys this fortress of lies thing totally stoled better tos what a twist

[red girder]

no way

(i changed the setup so much its unrecognizable)

[tropic wolf]

(whispers) you should sign up as a backup

[runic marten]

LUL

No way it’s the other person from the thing 🫵

[tropic wolf]

Holy shit…

[red girder]

most subtle advertisement

[tropic wolf]

The games already full so you can’t sign up

But you can as a backup!

I also have many other projects lined up…

[merry birch]

Trickster
Trapper
Retributionist

Add amne back to ts with a good rework

Then you’re fine

[tribal token]

too swingy imo

Trickster / Trapper are similar

but Ret is basically a wildcard

[runic marten]

Uhmm

[runic marten]

Where does tav go then

I’m a bit confused

[red girder]

Tav all alone in their Town Manipulative corner

[runic marten]

Real

[tribal token]

and that's why we need transporter back

case closed

time to add transporter

[red girder]

a literal town witch without the rolecop would probably be healthier than transporter 😭

[runic marten]

Let’s add gossip to tos

It can have an AI interpreter

[red girder]

im not sure why i said probably town redirector isnt that weird

tol Drunk moment

[tribal token]

redirection is really a fun mechanic

[red girder]

im fine with redirection conceptually
I think bus driver takes it too far

[tribal token]

nah bus driver is fine

[merry birch]

bus driver sucks ass in tos

[tribal token]

even tho I'm not a fan of the "run over by a bus" message, since it hards confirms it was a redirection

[red girder]

i think being able to self transport as well cements transporter as

really fucking annoying

[merry birch]

admirer gets reworked
tav stays as is
amne rework

[merry birch]

ret needs a rework with a similar structure in place and then town utility added with trick & trap

[runic marten]

So you want another town bucket?

[red girder]

if the transporter knows a scum, you cannot nightkill them
thats clown role design

[runic marten]

A sixth one?

[tribal token]

Transporter should just not be allowed to transport someone twice in a row

and only self once

[merry birch]

my definition for TU would be the following:

• Town roles that do not fit in any of the above categories (TI/TP/TK/TS) and are not powerful enough to be a TPWR or fits into multiple categories.

[tribal token]

so you can actually play around his shenanigans

[merry birch]

absolutely

[tribal token]

I swear to god, as a non native speaker, shenanigans feels like a made up word

[merry birch]

add TU and replace all TS in lists with TU

[tribal token]

even tho the word in french also sounds made up

[runic marten]

That’s a bad idea no? They will all be stretched thin with little claimspace and now lists need even fewer RT slots to compensate for the new alignments

I don’t see what it achieves

For such a great cost

[merry birch]

^

replace TS in lists with TU instead of removing RT/CT

[runic marten]

Why

That’s just a bit silly imo

[red girder]

okay im ngl i think TS is a silly subalignment in the first place

[merry birch]

i agree

ts as a sub shouldnt exist

remove adm

[red girder]

like
I would define TP as being support roles lmao

[merry birch]

remove tav (hot take)

[tribal token]

TS is just made for roles that don't fit a specific alignment

[merry birch]

rework ret

[runic marten]

True!

[red girder]

tol propaganda

[runic marten]

Actually true tbf

[merry birch]

make ret JOAT and remove tav & adm

[runic marten]

I feel like tos has an issue of there being too much TP anyway

[tribal token]

TP are too overpowered

TP should have limited uses

[merry birch]

i absolutely agree

[runic marten]

I’d rather the no consecutive targeting than TP having charges

[merry birch]

make cleric 3x
make oracle 3x
rework bg
rework crus (starspawn shouldnt have to be a claimbag)
rework trapper

[runic marten]

botc has tp that can infinitely protect and that game has no issues with em because there isn’t a million protective roles

There’s like four

[red girder]

its weird
because coven really. Really want more consistent access to an attack that bypasses TP. but then "neutral bullying ):"

[runic marten]

Across multiple lists

And they work in different ways

[red girder]

also half of tos TP come with the sideeffect of killing scum with a save

which is

certainly something !

[runic marten]

Greeaattttt

At least crus doesn’t kill anymore

[red girder]

genuinely id love it if trapper was the only TP capable of the rebound

but then idk what i'd do with BG that doesn't make it a trickster clone

[runic marten]

Handler 👍

We did it we won

[red girder]

(isnt that literally just cleric but with a lil bit of TI info)

[runic marten]

Ish

It’s a direct attack blocker rather than giving defense

And it’s TI element gives it a different playstyle

Since you can find the attacker by protecting them

But in practice it was weak yeah

[red girder]

im pretty sure thats a buff because of tos2 mechanics

why can BG and trapper stop war 😭

[runic marten]

LOL idfk dude

Tbf in tos -

1

Every unstoppable attack specified it bypassed defense

I guess they just forgot

They probably copy pasted the code and forgot to make war bypass Tp

[red girder]

well that and

pirate

[runic marten]

¯_(ツ)_/ best explanation I got

[tribal token]

BG / Trapper redirect the attack into themselves instead of giving defense

[red girder]

see they dont actually do this
bodyguard legit just kills itself

[tribal token]

yeah but technically speaking that's why

[crystal trail]

It seems like this is a universal pattern with my reworks

[red girder]

no thats not true technically speaking

[tribal token]

BG voids the attack and kills himselfs

[runic marten]

Don’t they technically speaking redirect the attack into nothing

[tribal token]

trapper just place a BG down

[red girder]

they delete the attack yeah

[tribal token]

that'll kill himself

[crystal trail]

There are two different types of TP

[tribal token]

3, crus exists

[crystal trail]

Defense Givers and Attack Nullifiers

[runic marten]

Technically speaking, 🔧🛠️🪚⚙️🧰🪛🛠️⛏️

[crystal trail]

Crus is an Attack Nullifier for the sake of this categorization

[tribal token]

fair

[red girder]

technically speaking, this feels very obtuse for no reason

[tribal token]

does necro's ghoul bypass UO btw?

[red girder]

but then again

i still dont know how knight tol works

😹

[runic marten]

Easy it uh

Works

[crystal trail]

Amelia try not to bring up ToL when discussing a rework challenge (impossible)

[runic marten]

Has a Job

[red girder]

I HAVE

REASONIGN

😭

[runic marten]

Look sometimes people are just extremely autistic about their favourite games and bringing it up gives immense joy to their soul

[crystal trail]

I never said it was a bad thing

[runic marten]

Nah ik LUL

[red girder]

well yes but i am clowning on the game's code this time

[runic marten]

I’m just calling it how it is

[runic marten]

But does the clown come from a place of love

[crystal trail]

Clowning on ToS code is a full time job at this point

(I’m just salty that over half my rework ideas can’t be coded)

[red girder]

lil bit (I learned that Knight actually doesn't stop Enforcer boosted attack recently lmao)

[runic marten]

Very valid salt tbf

To be fair

[red girder]

we love unscalable UI

[runic marten]

If the UI was made custom enough I think most ideas could work in theory

It’s just not realistic for modded

[solid kindle]

yeah 🥀

[runic marten]

Cos tubad

[tribal token]

I mean I think that you could theorically have infinite abilities on a role by using the Shield to swap between modes

but it would be a PITA

[red girder]

yeah wouldn't you need to recode like

alot

of sending abilities thru

(idk how they did it lmao)

[runic marten]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crystal trail]

Yay for Salembot

[tribal token]

I'm lowkey worried that transporter is uncodable rn and that's why it isn't added

[red girder]

see because i look at stuff like Intuit and Gaze being separate abilitiees

[crystal trail]

It’s a shame the game doesn’t support multiple shields

That solves pretty much everything

[red girder]

tuba and curtis have said its really difficult to code

not impossible but. Bus drives are a mess on automated action resolution

[tribal token]

I wonder if they removed Trickster V1 from the code

'cause transporter is basically two trickster v1

[red girder]

considering they literally coded their own server

[crystal trail]

The issue stems from the fact that both targets are marked for transport

[red girder]

i doubt they coded trickster v1 into it

[runic marten]

Would basically be unique

[crystal trail]

You need to find a way to stop visits from infinite looping between the two targets

[runic marten]

It’s a whole other field of rocket science to make it non unique

[crystal trail]

While also find a way to support multiple transports

[crystal trail]

Yeah exactly

If it was unique it would be easy

Just mark a target with a “immune to transport” status after their visit is redirected once

[crystal trail]

Trickster V1 doesn’t have this issue

[red girder]

tbf it being unique would make some sense because you're not faking transporter anyway (no fucking way that transporter of all roles gets limited feedback privileges)

[crystal trail]

Because it’s one way

[runic marten]

What happens if two tricksters target each other and one is attacked

Launch tricksters ofc

[crystal trail]

Silent feedback Transporter will send the playerbase into a riot

[red girder]

uh

[crystal trail]

iirc, the Trickster being redirected to just dies

[red girder]

this did exist with court wizard tol to some extent (I had to say it)

you know where you get redirected to in tol
but
cw doesn't notify its targets

also wasnt unique
there could be 3 of them

their action resolution im told didnt function sensibly

[crystal trail]

On the topic of silent feedback Transporter

I suppose Coachmaster works on a similar axis

But it’s better since the Coachmaster themselves knows about the redirect

[red girder]

i mean yeah thats why most town redirectors work

they know who they redirected

[tropic wolf]

heyyy bestie, what do you think of this

[solid kindle]

kinda cringe

[red girder]

You’re cringe

[amber zealot]

We're all cringe

[sacred jasper]

ret is still infinitely better then this

also hi random revived thread

[tribal token]

yeah because they share the same niche but one of them dont risk turning into fucking admirer D2

[sacred jasper]

so cut off the fat then

instead of trying to make it work

[tribal token]

yeah we need amne to forget they existed

[amber zealot]

Amnesiac only fails because theyre just worse retri just make them neutral

I'ma do that actually

[celest oar]

@spring matrix

[spring matrix]

Ping?

Oh

*takes a shot*

[celest oar]

i was a bit confused when you said that

[solid kindle]

ntw

btw

this was made

because tuba was talking about

amne being put back in TS

this isn't me wanting amne in TS

[tropic wolf]

amnesiac only fails because retri is stupid busted in comparison
amnesiac itself is fine but ret can use all bodies infinitely and can use enough roles to the point where amne being able to remember tpow doesn't really matter

i like to phrase it as
ret inherits every town role that dies, but not certain ones.
amnesiac only inherits one, but can do the ones ret can't.
this basically makes ret 10x better in almost every scenario, except ones in which an unusable role dies early and no one else dies for a while

the solution is literally just making ret like necro and only using bodies once per game

that's the only problem with the role idk why its infinite bodies in the first place

it wasnt in tos1

and yet

and necro isn't!

[spring matrix]

And the issue with that is that both roles can't meet their full potential because the other exists

If you make Amnesiac more flexible, Ret is outclassed. If you give Ret more coverage, Amnesiac is outclassed (well, more than it already is)

[tropic wolf]

i do think that even with that ret nerf, they would still fill similar niches but

[crystal trail]

I already spoke about this but I dont like how this just makes Amne the same role as it was, just slightly less shit

[tropic wolf]

like, they're different enough to be considered Different Roles

but

[crystal trail]

Putting makeup on a pig

[tropic wolf]

yea

[crystal trail]

That's essentially what this is

[drifting cosmos]

amne shouldnt have existed in the same faction

as retri

[crystal trail]

Yep

[tropic wolf]

yea

i mean i don't really care about amne/ret existing at the same time i care that they megabuffed ret

for some reason

[spring matrix]

Well no, Amne/Ret existing means both have problems

[tropic wolf]

like amne/ret filling the same niche doesn't matter at all to me

[drifting cosmos]

they both do the same job

[tropic wolf]

unless ret is megabuffed

yes

and

[drifting cosmos]

and eat at eachother

[tropic wolf]

They do it in different ways

amne doesn't remove the body from ret

lol

idk why u think they couldn't co-exist with ret only using bodies once

but

like Yeah they do similar things

[drifting cosmos]

ret and amne werent on the same team

[spring matrix]

Ret has a lot of games where it basically can't do shit because the wrong roles died
Amne has a lot of games where it's just a worse version of certain roles

But if you fix either of those issues
The other is useless

[drifting cosmos]

in tos1

[tropic wolf]

did that ever stop Cleric and Oracle from existing at the samae time?

[spring matrix]

Does anybody like Cleric and Oracle together?

[tropic wolf]

okay this is slightly more reasonabel

[tropic wolf]

absolutely

[crystal trail]

I like how you're pointing this out as if its not an issue

[tropic wolf]

but like

no one cares!

[crystal trail]

Cleric and Oracle is an issue

[drifting cosmos]

oracle is a shittier cleric

[tropic wolf]

okay fair

i didn't know

that y'all cared

i just think thati t's not an Issue unless you're spending a lot of resources on it

for some reason

[spring matrix]

*takes a shot*

[drifting cosmos]

both existing in the same faction

means one is going to be more redundant than the other

or both are going to be weak

[spring matrix]

I'm just reminded of a game

where I was Amnesiac

and remembered Jailor on day 7.

[drifting cosmos]

ive remembered crus on like d6

even though jailor died the same night

(amne priority yay)

[wheat hinge]

W amne