TS needs amne !!!
#Make Amnesiac TS again
empty ether
empty ether
I mean
Why is it not TS already
The reasoning was an ickle bit odd imo
And also it makes Amne a super rough evil claim
Since it can only take up an RT slot
serene jewel
It's kinda weird for a role in general because it only really exists as "amnesiac" on N1
It being classified under no alignment does feel weird
empty ether
But TS is the correct category for it
reef sage
Unless there's no town dead
empty ether
Ret, Amne and Tav are all kind of anti swing, or keeping the game in town's favour overall without power becoming inbalanced
Admirer is also there
serene jewel
Admirer exists
empty ether
Admirer stops early game swing, Ret comes in late game
Tav does its own thing
Admirer
next gate
And also it makes Amne a super rough evil claim
it's also just another modded trap that's too easy to fall into
claim ts as amne and die for it
reef sage
Amne: CT here
Ritualist: its free real estate
next gate
people get too high on the whole "amne isn't ts!!" thing
when you literally can't do much else unless you remember ti
empty ether
Myeah
this is one of the pieces of reasoning for Amne being RT that I can find, for reference
empty ether
TS needs amne !!!
next gate
we all know that losing an rt is so much better
empty ether
TS is kind of a nothing category
next gate
the opportunity cost of an amne vs a ret hurts a lot more than the opportunity cost of an amne vs a jailor stacked with another tpow, as we all know
empty ether
Retri and Amne were the only duo that had a consistent thing going on
reef sage
Dare I say this is another Common Curtis L?
next gate
simply another one of curtis' many objectively wrong takes
empty ether
Meh
I don't think its worth bashing him over it fr
He obviously did it with the intent to make people happier since, some people don't like Amne
I think it wasn't like, a super necessary change at all though it just put Amne in this weird anti-claimspace limbo
next gate
I do think that amne is a very important part of evil claimspace
it gives a lot of leeway with claiming and can basically be swapped into/out of on the spot n1 depending on what dies
reef sage
It can be a fun fake claim ye
empty ether
Myeah
Limiting it to only RT slots made it a much harder claim
Except for like in All Any I spose
next gate
it's crazy to think that it literally used to instantly reveal its existence
empty ether
And in general, it's nice to have another actually claimable role in TS
empty ether
it's crazy to think that it literally used to instantly reveal its existence
oh gosh not that LUL
That was... a time!
next gate
truly
reef sage
1 or 2?
empty ether
Currently TS is like, Tav unclaimable unless you're pois, and Retri maybe? Depending on what's in the graveyard
Admirer is the only claimable once fancy that
reef sage
Wild
empty ether
So it's no wonder admirer claims are so often evil
next gate
just another one of bmg's dumb tos1 relics
luckily they were more than willing to gut it
empty ether
They kept the mechanic but didn't understand why it was there in the first place
To be fair, I'm not 100% sure of why it was there to begin with aside from like, letting town know another evil is in play?
in tos 1
weak hill
i'd still prefer amne being neutral over town
next gate
even in tos1 it was highly debated whether or not the amne reveal should exist
empty ether
i'd still prefer amne being neutral over town
There can be a new role that does that tbf, it's highly requested
This is specifically about town amne tho
next gate
There can be a new role that does that tbf, it's highly requested
I don't see the need for it personally
but that aside, amne being ts would be a good change for the slot
empty ether
I don't see the need for it personally
To be fair, if we get new roles I hope they are neutral special, or NP.
We don't need any more new roles in other categories
weak hill
There can be a new role that does that tbf, it's highly requested
yea im the one who did that post (Imitator)
reef sage
I liked it in tos 1
Nothing like that "oh crap" moment when town sees an amne remembered a NK or Pest
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ts claims are basically either claiming ret or admi right now
weak hill
nah claiming TS is a one way ticket to dead chat
next gate
so it's an incredibly weak slot to claim
reef sage
Even the evils don't wanna claim tav lol
empty ether
Tav is a suicidal claim unless you can fake it
Even then, good luck claiming tav as like auditor LOL
next gate
someone gets poisoned, someone gets audited, famine transforms
everyone starts looking at the tav claim
empty ether
yuup
Tav is not that useful in the grand scheme of things
Escort's main value was perma locking mafioso out of kills
Which was horrible granted
But it was a use !
next gate
interesting how adding evil role counters doesn't really make a role any more fakeable, yet makes the role less confirmable at the same time
reef sage
TS and TK slots are in dire straits currently
next gate
tk is okay at least
empty ether
It's Vigi and to an extent Vet that are issues
next gate
vigi definitely needs to be brought down a peg, and I would like to see vet and dep overhauled again
trickster is balanced in a weird way
empty ether
Dep is fine to be honest it's just boring
next gate
I personally don't like it
empty ether
After the rework I honestly think the daykill is fine
reef sage
Vigi's the only role that can proactively shoot someone when it comes down to it. Vet takes a visit, Dep does nothing but miss, and Trickster has to play TP first.
empty ether
Vigi is 100% the strongest TK by a wide margin
next gate
it's also way too basic
empty ether
It used to be overlooked because its old competition was
- Vet who used to be a self confirmation machine
- Jailor (lol)
- Vampire Hunter (does not exist)
Now its fighting against actually existant fake claimable TKs that aren't going crazy
next gate
crazy to think that vigi and The Cooler Vigilante used to be in the same slot
reef sage
Same with Ret and Mayor
next gate
I guess jailor was basically always confirmed if it was allowed to spawn and it wasn't all any
empty ether
Tos 1 ret (post rework) was soooooo so so so bad
empty ether
I am so glad that corpses don't rot anymore, even if there is some dumb interactions that still need fixing
TOS has always been a mess huh
next gate
the whole thing with body stealing is probably my least favorite thing about retri right now
it's the same kind of frustration as when it was unique in tos1
empty ether
Yeahhh its just dumb
next gate
"that retri claim is fake!! I used that body!!!"
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it's a compromise to avoid having someone be controlled to more than one target I think
misty notch
just make amne a real role
jagged ermine
TS needs amne !!!
Only if its overhauled
I hate Amne as it is
Any excuse to make it less of a role is a welcome one
next gate
why don't they just start banning it from normal modes then
we still have to deal with its existence all the same
jagged ermine
the whole thing with body stealing is probably my least favorite thing about ret...
Me too
next gate
many modes only have 1 ts slot at most, and some even have 0
jagged ermine
Thats why my Ret rework explicitly removes that
coral saddle
I think it wasn't like, a super necessary change at all though it just put Amne ...
it's like the role is unique
more than 2 amnes legit doesn't work on a list
serene jewel
I just had a silly modifier idea: One townie starts out as the "Amnesiac" (modifier status), upon a townie dying, this townie may choose to replace their current role with the dead one [Probably a bit bad since you can't really fake amne]
silk anvil
id be on board with this change as long as amne isnt a nothing role
jagged ermine
Is this my cue to post my rework
silk anvil
yes.