Archer - Neutral Killing

[tidal vale]

Alignment: Neutral Killing
Attack: None - Basic
Defense: Basic
/: "Your target is a marksmen with the mastery of arrow types. They must be an Archer!"

Ability

** Arrows 🎯 🌙 (♾️)**

• Every night you may use an arrow of your choice to shoot at your target.

Plain 🏹 (♾️)
-# You may shoot a plain arrow dealing a basic attack to your target.

Tranquilizer 💉 (2️⃣)
-# You may shoot a tranquilizer role-blocking them and learning their role.

Electric ⚡ (1️⃣)
-# You may shoot a electric arrow shocking any player who visits your target.

** Trickshot 🌙 (2️⃣)**

• Once per game you may fire up to 2 arrow types.

• You will target up to 2 players.

**__Attributes 📊 __ **

• Special Arrows are astral upon visiting your target.

• While using Trickshot you are Witch/Roleblock Immune

__Win Condition 🏆 __

• You win once all living players are dead.

[dusk harness]

Does only plain deal dmg?

[tidal vale]

poison does aswell it's just slower than plain but its the only direct damaging one

[dusk harness]

okay good

[gentle field]

poison is kinda useless ngl

unless if the poison arrow is astral

[muted wind]

Poison is yeah weak useless unless you hit an NK/NE and want to kill them instead of coven or town which is a bigger threat for whatever reason

[tidal vale]

Special arrows are poison and tranquilizer which are put as astral

[gentle field]

also guaranteed three attacks in one night whenever is busted as shit

[tidal vale]

plain is not however

[gentle field]

well, two + a tranq

[tidal vale]

It's meant to act as neutral PM to gain information for itself and also not be weaker than the other nks

[gentle field]

it doesn't really need the info though

as an NK

[tidal vale]

I just thought nk's need a way of finding information other than just relying on kill power which this role does have kill power it just has a reveal ability on the side

[muted wind]

I think with PM you can work with other covens/pands to figure out the next target while someone else has the book or someone to conj/rit or find potential roles that you can work together as with this there's not really much you can do outside of compliant killers

[tidal vale]

fair enough

[muted wind]

i feel something like role-blocking and silencing would be better and it would open up ways for trickshot to be peak

[tidal vale]

I might find a replacement for poison since it doesnt do much to help

[tidal vale]

also how do u feel about a concept of a love tipped arrow? (Basically the og concept was plain, poison and love arrow, what love arrow did was target 2 players and lifelinked them and there was no trickshot)

[muted wind]

what does love arrow do it better not be lifelink

[harsh flare]

@muted wind has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)

[tidal vale]

it was lifelink but it didnt fit with trickshot concept so i replaced it with tranquilizer 💀

[muted wind]

maybe replace poison with a plasma arrow that works like a rampage?

[tidal vale]

hm maybe

[dusk harness]

radioactive arrow destroys Town

[tidal vale]

i had a idea of a drunk arrow that makes a town member think they are dead 💀

[tidal vale]

W idea

[dusk harness]

Arrow of weakness
Makes your target lose one point in Attack (So like powerfull into basic and basic into None) Doesn't work on NS and horseman.

[scarlet olive]

Why is this an NK? The goal is NP

[tidal vale]

forgot one moment

done

[gentle field]

killing NP is bad

[tidal vale]

your apoc 😮

[gentle field]

oh you changed the wincon not the role

indeed I am

[scarlet olive]

ur apoc?

[gentle field]

I have evolved

[scarlet olive]

when

[gentle field]

literally just now

[tidal vale]

how do i be a role-

[scarlet olive]

you gotta yap a lot

[gentle field]

it's levels

[scarlet olive]

the more you yap the higher your status

[gentle field]

apoc is like 15 or 20

level

[tidal vale]

yipee

[muted wind]

woah woah woah

[tidal vale]

Anyway any opinions on this waffle? killing np is wild though lol

[muted wind]

@gentle field who you thiink you are you're not apoc ban this man

[gentle field]

I'm CS Baker

[tidal vale]

fr get the auditor on him

[scarlet olive]

umm

tranquilizer will probably not be used

unless the trick shot

[dusk harness]

Compliance

I think of tranquilizer as more compliance thing

[muted wind]

this sound like a very goody Compliant Killer role but outside of that is kinda weird

[scarlet olive]

yeah

[dusk harness]

I mean "Silent Archer" in TAA?

[gentle field]

I agree

[scarlet olive]

Maybe the Tranq arrow could be replaced with like a UO?

idk

[tidal vale]

I just heard from alot of people nk's need better investigation abilities

[gentle field]

this is the TI NK lmao

[tidal vale]

PM/Pois hybrid

[scarlet olive]

frick

i was talking about poison

not tranq

i read it wrong my bad

[gentle field]

Arso: Coven Power
Werewolf: Coven Killing
Shroud: Coven Deception
SK: Coven Utility (aka throwaway category)

[tidal vale]

poison is kinda useless in some scenario's unless your using trickshot but i've been trying to think of one

[scarlet olive]

i think poison gets out classed by the basic arrow

[gentle field]

apparently it's astral

which is it's only redeeming feature

[tidal vale]

Special arrows are astral including tranq and poison

[scarlet olive]

maybe that one could be a rampage?

might be too much

[tidal vale]

plain's downside is it's not astral

[tidal vale]

he did recommend plasma arrow which works similar to jinx no?

[gentle field]

Ditch the poison, give tranq an extra charge IMO

and remove trickshot entirely

[scarlet olive]

like an ambush arrow?

[tidal vale]

basically

[tidal vale]

congrats we've made the plainest nk ever the ability name even fits!! /j

But that could work

[scarlet olive]

i mean that would make it trash

[gentle field]

I mean, it doesn't need poison and what's essentially an extra kill in one night if it's supposed to be the information NK

[gentle field]

how?

[tidal vale]

yeah just very plain aside from its revealing ability nobody would wanna be archer

people gon be begging for arso

[gentle field]

it's plain

but not trash

[scarlet olive]

well not trash

but it would be outclassed by other NKs

[dusk harness]

Bouncing arrow : attacks Target and one visitor (1 charge)

[gentle field]

like a pseudo rampage

[dusk harness]

Jinx moment

morel ike

[scarlet olive]

I'm assuming if that was added it would not be able to be caught like jinx

[dusk harness]

it's NK

ofcourse it wouldn't

[bitter osprey]

Tbh theres no point in staying hidden cuz after a while you are forced to stay homeso you are forced to reveal at some point and attack and plus poison sucks it's just a double kill next night whit means nothing and the tripple shot gets value cuz of the extra kill poison is pretty much worthless in this.

[dusk harness]

Remove poison yea.

[scarlet olive]

Replace it with like the ambush thing

[tidal vale]

mini rampage if you will but how about this Plain: You shoot a arrow dealing a basic attack Tranquilizer: You will shoot a tranquilizer roleblocking your target and learning their role Electric Arrow: You will shoot an electric arrow dealing a basic attack killing a visitor to your target

[dusk harness]

same charges?

[scarlet olive]

would the Electric kill the target and the visitor?

or just visitor

[dusk harness]

It ain't worth if it's just a visitor

[tidal vale]

As i said mini rampage so yes both target and visitor

[scarlet olive]

oh

yeah sure

[dusk harness]

Jinx has joined the chat

[scarlet olive]

this would be very useful for compliant killers

[tidal vale]

There

wait im reducing it to 1

[scarlet olive]

is this witch/roleblock immune btw

[dusk harness]

it shouldn't be

[scarlet olive]

i think witch would use a basic arrow

if they were controlled

[tidal vale]

It wont be naturally however if you use trickshot you cant be controlled by a witch

[scarlet olive]

oh okay

[tidal vale]

imagine if you could witch the archer and get 3 kills my god

[scarlet olive]

oof

[tidal vale]

not possible though i dont think (if you cant target 3 players)

[scarlet olive]

and trickshot loses a charge for tranqulizer and electric right

[tidal vale]

oh- i didnt even think of that but i think so yeah

Should tranq be increased or stay how it is

[bitter osprey]

Tbh Replace Poison whit Sharperend Arrow which kills another player on that target

[tidal vale]

its not like its strong

[scarlet olive]

thats added already

[bitter osprey]

Tranquilizor shoukd get the poison

[tidal vale]

Electric ⚡ (1️⃣)
-# You may shoot a electric arrow shocking any player who visits your target as-well as killing the target.

[bitter osprey]

Replace it whit sharperend arrow

Tranq should be Poison

[scarlet olive]

sharpend arrow does the same thing as the electric

[bitter osprey]

No point to use tranquilizor

Yes

But replace name

[tidal vale]

tranquilizer is the investigative ability it has a use yk-

[bitter osprey]

Tranq should be like the poisoner's poison

They poison them and rb them

[tidal vale]

besides fricking compliant killers

[scarlet olive]

if that was added then trickshot would have to removed

[bitter osprey]

Compliance is bearly voted

[scarlet olive]

cause then your killing 4 people

[tidal vale]

trickshot would be unhealthy if i added poison

[scarlet olive]

using 1 ability

[tidal vale]

electric is alr a mini ramp

[bitter osprey]

Make trickshot only shoot two arrows

Not 3

[tidal vale]

so you propose you can use trickshot twice?

so Electric + Plain

then next night Plain + Tranq

[bitter osprey]

I mean if you want to do it twice then sure do it

[faint vigil]

what does shocking visitors do

[bitter osprey]

Kill them

[scarlet olive]

kills them like jinx pretty sure

[faint vigil]

Oh so its rampaging?

[tidal vale]

Basically kills them

[faint vigil]

Roight

Probably wanna specify that tbh

I interpreted it as being like UO

[tidal vale]

it was recommended since poison was kinda mid

[faint vigil]

But this looks fun tbh

[dusk harness]

Jinx time

type*

[bitter osprey]

But honestly Make trickshot twice and the next night you will have to wait to shoot the bow again

Like you trickshot once whit two arrows

[faint vigil]

When you use trickshot do you get to shoot the others even if you're out of those arrow types?

[bitter osprey]

Then are rbed

And then you can start to rekill

[tidal vale]

You can use the same arrow type as long as your arrow types still exists

[scarlet olive]

yeah is trickshot just blocked off after running out of a type of arrow

[bitter osprey]

Tbh let it be like that

[tidal vale]

You can melee with plain but you miss a rampage and a night of info without tranquilizer

[faint vigil]

So if you ever use electric arrow you lock yourself out of getting a double kill?

[bitter osprey]

Yes

[bitter osprey]

Also rename it to Sharperend Arrow

[tidal vale]

You can use 2 plains and also a tranq

[faint vigil]

That seems a bit counterintuitive

[tidal vale]

if that makes sense

[faint vigil]

Using electric by itself would always be a bad thing

Ogh right

Well that's still counterintuitive

Your only way of getting a guaranteed two kills in one night is to use trickshot

[tardy canopy]

What's stopping me from shooting 3 plains n1

[scarlet olive]

can you use 3 plains?

[tidal vale]

electric still exists if you hadnt alr used it but I still dont know if electric is the answer

[faint vigil]

Oh I'm getting confused lool

So you can fire three arrows, each of any type as long as that type is in stock?

[tidal vale]

Okay so you cant use 3 plains for the sake of my head no turning to ashes

[scarlet olive]

huh?

[faint vigil]

whafuh

[scarlet olive]

im so confuseedd

[tidal vale]

omg

[faint vigil]

I mean I get it but

Actually I think this might be too complicated as it is rn

[tardy canopy]

Oh, wording is

[scarlet olive]

reduce trickshot to 2 arrows then

[tidal vale]

Right

also ty for pinning

[faint vigil]

Just let trickshot shoot a second arrow in one night then right? That'd be easier

[tardy canopy]

This is an interesting idea but like what nuggy sajd

[faint vigil]

no prob

Wait I just realised something right

[tardy canopy]

Complicated

Anti tp lo is always interesting

[faint vigil]

For Pmer, choosing a potion takes up the special ability slot right?
So how would you choose the arrow type + have trickshot at the same time?

You can only have one special ability if I'm not mistaken

[scarlet olive]

huh

[faint vigil]

For pmer + baker

[tardy canopy]

Pop-up menu for each arrow

Real

[faint vigil]

Special ability is whatever goes in the shield slot basically
Judge calling court, mayor revealing, etc

[scarlet olive]

oh yeah

[faint vigil]

But you can only have one ability there

[scarlet olive]

mhm

im assuming its a pop up

[faint vigil]

This would require some curt UI shenanigans methinks but it could be possible

[scarlet olive]

and trick shot is the special

[tidal vale]

Its a pop-up thing for your main ability and trickshot

[harsh flare]

@tidal vale has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[tidal vale]

ty tatsu ❤️

anyway

[faint vigil]

Do we have any roles in tos 2 that have a popup whenever they select a player?

Ofc we had pmer in tos 1 but it's diff in tos 2 now

[tardy canopy]

No

[tidal vale]

🏴‍☠️

wait nvm

[faint vigil]

Myeh pirate is diff yeah

maybe it works idk

[tardy canopy]

Pirate is e
Select a target then pick an action during night

[scarlet olive]

so i think this role would have pm/baker thing right?

[tidal vale]

How about you have the special ability slot to choose a arrow type and if you want to use trickshot select 2 arrows

[tardy canopy]

This would require ui jank

Better idea

[tidal vale]

that would simplify it no?

[tardy canopy]

Make it two arrows but the 2nd is always plain

[tidal vale]

plain is the core ability so yeah makes sense

[tardy canopy]

I actually got something hold on

Day ability for trickshot and 2 night abilities?

Is that possible

[faint vigil]

This would require like more than doomsayer level UI to work but it could work

I'm not sure tho its got so much going on hoenstly

I like the core idea but the execution so far idk

[tardy canopy]

This really just requires pm ui for a small interaction

[tidal vale]

it was way more simple in my head since i dont know much about coding or ui

[faint vigil]

Trickshot is the issue here

[tardy canopy]

If we just make it shoot 1 of each it can be as simple as selecting 3 targets

[faint vigil]

But trickshot is what makes it cool so

[scarlet olive]

then which arrow goes to who is gonna be confusing

[tardy canopy]

Not really

Start with plain

Go to tranq

If out of tranq

[gentle field]

arrow storm: shoots everyone

[tardy canopy]

Go to electric

[scarlet olive]

i guess

just hope you dont misclick

[tardy canopy]

If out of electric, end the selections

I mean we do have intuit and gaze

Hmmm

[tidal vale]

misclicking is my skill issue for multi-choice roles like witch and seer lmao

[scarlet olive]

yeah

[tardy canopy]

Or does one of them count as a shield ability

Is it even possible to have 2 shield actions?

[tidal vale]

What do you mean by shield action?

[tardy canopy]

You know like, court

[tidal vale]

OH

[tardy canopy]

Shield action

Press button and it happens

[faint vigil]

That's your special ability yeah

[tardy canopy]

(Supposedly what i'm understanding)

[faint vigil]

No

[tardy canopy]

Hmm

[faint vigil]

Well

I'm interpreting you mean having two different special abilities which isn't possible I dont think]

[tardy canopy]

Kinda

Does intuit or gaze count as a special ability?

If not I have an idea

But it only works if vigi bullet also isn't a special ability.

[gentle field]

ngl, reworking this to be a day killer NK sounds sick as shit

[faint vigil]

No

That's ability 1 and ability 2

Special ability is the shield ability

[tardy canopy]

Hmm

[faint vigil]

Anything you have to click the shield for is a special ability

Anything else is not

[gentle field]

or a day killer NK in general

but day killing would fit an archer's theme

[faint vigil]

And afaik anything involving UI has to be a special ability using the shield

[tardy canopy]

We don't need more day kills imo

Atleast not rn

[gentle field]

true

but it's a flavor of NK that's technically missing

[tardy canopy]

What if we made tranq and electric ability 1 and 2

And plain shield ability

Is that possible?

[tidal vale]

I feel the trickshot ability is the main issue but its the only thing that makes it special unless there could be a way to rework it

[tardy canopy]

Because vigi doesn't use any special ui to shoot

It might be a bit buggy but I think thay might work

[tidal vale]

I also have another idea so it work similar to pirate where you choose who you shoot a arrow at during the day and if you wanna use trickshot you can just target 2 people (basically seer UI and pirate)

[gentle field]

vigi should be able to throw a rock at someone on n1

it doesn't do any damage I just think it's cool

[tardy canopy]

Hard confirms a vigi

Nah

[tidal vale]

reload meme is pure gold

[faint vigil]

no wait let them cook

[scarlet olive]

vigi should be tpow fr

[gentle field]

it doesn't give any notification

[tardy canopy]

Reloading my pants

[tardy canopy]

Tp lo on me:

[scarlet olive]

why is there a bullet in them

[gentle field]

throws a rock

[tardy canopy]

It now counts as a harmful visit

[gentle field]

it'll be astral visit and it penetrates TP defense

and normal defense

vigi has a really good throwing arm so he doesn't have to visit, but the rock is also squishy or something so no one notices it

[scarlet olive]

when did this become a vigi thread

[tardy canopy]

Idk

[faint vigil]

no let them cook

[gentle field]

*vigi throws rock thread

[tidal vale]

just now because we ran out of ideas to fix archer lmao

[scarlet olive]

this sounds nice

[tardy canopy]

Vigi becomes bloxston mystery distractor

[scarlet olive]

i just dont know how the execution will be

[tidal vale]

real keep cooking

[tardy canopy]

And then uh

We remove the bullets

And replace them with rocks

[tidal vale]

W

[tardy canopy]

An infinite amount of them

[tidal vale]

does the rocks do brain damage

[tardy canopy]

And he gets renamed to distractor

No it roleblocks the target

[gentle field]

it would normally but luckily it's against TOS2 players

[tidal vale]

nuggy we need this next update get cooking

[tardy canopy]

Sk doesn't kill them tho becauae they never actually visit them

Astral visit

[scarlet olive]

start the art for it NOW!!!

[tardy canopy]

I made it actually

Hold on

[tidal vale]

does sk originally visit dist ? i havent played BM in a while

at least ever since june

[faint vigil]

ON IT

[gentle field]

actually wait instead you throw a rock and the neighbor of the player you threw a rock to inspects the rock and visits the rocked player instead

doesn't work on killers

[scarlet olive]

in bloxston mystery, thats how tav works 💀

they throw a rock

[gentle field]

exactly

[scarlet olive]

im not joking

[tidal vale]

what if you have a special ability where rock has a special ability where you store a bomb in the rock and it kills everyone

[gentle field]

no I believe you

[tardy canopy]

Here's the icon

[gentle field]

I've only played Bloxston Mystery once

[faint vigil]

I got ghosted guys

[tidal vale]

i used to play bloxston mystery endlessly

[gentle field]

but it makes sense they'd replace the sex and alcohol with rocks

[tidal vale]

i finally took a shower

[faint vigil]

tuba antics didn't respond in 1 minute he is ghosting me

[scarlet olive]

yeah idk why they picked escort

as the way to rb

[tardy canopy]

Damn why would tuba ghost you

[faint vigil]

ikr

[tardy canopy]

K
Cancel time

[faint vigil]

cancel tuba antics now

[tidal vale]

Smh get tuba cancelled

[dusk harness]

I think tuba has better things to do than responding to someone

[tardy canopy]

Nuggy would never lie

[gentle field]

tonga artist

[faint vigil]

no

[tardy canopy]

Lets cancel tuva

Tuba

[tardy canopy]

Wrong

[gentle field]

toilet aptitudetest

[faint vigil]

this is for an important cause

[gentle field]

trample anarchist

totalitarian apple

[tardy canopy]

Guys guhs

[gentle field]

anyways

archer :D

[tidal vale]

get the auditor on tuba

[tardy canopy]

I just thought of an idea for a new role

It's called the black mailer-

[gentle field]

what it do

does it mail?

[tardy canopy]

He sends black mail to you

And uh

You can't talk

[faint vigil]

i am blackmailed.

[gentle field]

bet it mails Archer - Neutral Killings

[tardy canopy]

He's apart of this new faction called the mafia

[tardy canopy]

That's such a cool idea

[tidal vale]

OOH MAFIA sounds neat

[tardy canopy]

Let people say that on trial

[tidal vale]

i have a new idea for a mafia role its called hypnotist

[tardy canopy]

But uh, to not make it a carbon copy of let them vote

[gentle field]

mafia is a neat idea, but this is Salem, which is related to the witch trials, so they'd stand out

[faint vigil]

unbased ... vs gigachad I am blackmailed

[tardy canopy]

And make it non-unique

[tardy canopy]

We have a fucking pirate who the fuck cares

[gentle field]

no we don't

[faint vigil]

I guess its my responsibility guys

[tidal vale]

i want aliens to invade the town

[scarlet olive]

make it right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tardy canopy]

Nuggy make the real vigilante icon

I'll sneak it into the game files

[gentle field]

#1216624065171689533 message

[tardy canopy]

(I know where tuba lives)

-# for legal reasons that is a joke

[scarlet olive]

omg ur doxxing him????

[tardy canopy]

No i'm not?

[gentle field]

https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1227600573726068736

[tardy canopy]

They don't live in alabama

Oops

[gentle field]

-# for illegal reasons that's a joke

[tidal vale]

actually ima make a alien faction

[gentle field]

W

[tardy canopy]

That already exists (sadly)

Tos vrc is making it

Weirdos.

[gentle field]

tf is that?

send info

[tidal vale]

what is a vrc

[tardy canopy]

Vr chat?

[tidal vale]

OH

[gentle field]

I'm going to pretend I didn't hear you

anyways

Alien faction

new idea

[scarlet olive]

hi

[tidal vale]

Doppleganger, Alien and Parasite

[scarlet olive]

Maybe i should move to btos2 chat

[tardy canopy]

hi, i am not abusing rich chat

[gentle field]

Alien is faction name.

[scarlet olive]

me either

[gentle field]

not a role

[tidal vale]

oh right

[gentle field]

Martian :D

[tidal vale]

MARTIAN

[tardy canopy]

Anyways lets uh, bring back serious discussiin here

[tidal vale]

Idk another way to fix it other than making it pirate + seer

if that works

or not

[tardy canopy]

Pirate seer vigi fr

[gentle field]

just like how Witch turned into Coven Leader in tos1

Starspawn will turn into Starkiller in tos2

[tardy canopy]

Fr

[gentle field]

for the Alien DLC

[tardy canopy]

Stfu about alienz

[tidal vale]

is starspawn a alien or a deity or smth else

[gentle field]

it's a star

[dusk harness]

IRS

[gentle field]

⭐

[tidal vale]

accurate

[tidal vale]

no because it literally says "You are a fallen town member with the energy of a star!"

wait nvm so they are a star im dumb nvm

[dusk harness]

we have 2 people that are involved with law and then there is SS (we don't talk about what SS did in 1939)

[gentle field]

turn Starspawn into Starlord then

[gentle field]

who did SS side with again?

anyways

[dusk harness]

I like the idea that SS in trapped by Town and killing it is the only way it can return into the Sky

Source : I made this up

[gentle field]

Alien Faction:
Martian
Parasite
Extraterrestrial
Xenomorph
Orion

[wheat steeple]

SS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

me love when people start speaking German Government Army acronym

[dusk harness]

||Necromorph||

[wheat steeple]

Predator

[wheat steeple]

THE NECRONS?

[dusk harness]

predator ain't working with Alien

[wheat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-wh40k-gif-7750560

[wheat steeple]

you mean Xenos, right

[dusk harness]

yes

[wheat steeple]

by the Emperor, they're all just Xenos so we might aswell just lump em together anyways

[gentle field]

Martian has a gun that melts players and defense. it permanently reduces defense down a level (even horseman) and removes roles and wills from players killed.

Parasite is a role that infects someone. That person dies during the day. If that player wants, they can attempt to give it back to the Parasite, preventing their demise, but if they choose someone that's not an Alien, them along with the person they chooses dies immediately.

Extraterrestrial will completely sensory overload a player, removing every ability from them, along with the ability to talk, hear, vote, etc.

Xenomorph can imitate as whatever dead role they want. They aren't raising them, but rather temporarily (or permanently if so chosen) becoming them.

Orion places eggs on players they visit and are visited by. When the eggs hatch, they'll kill both their host player and a random non-alien player as well.

Predator is seemingly killed by a random role (their cause of death, will, and fake role will be displayed in the graveyard). However, they're actually still alive and attacking players (the cause of death will be determined by the Predator). They will be revealed if someone @s their name 5 times like fucking Bloody Mary.

these roles are very balanced :DDDD

[gentle field]

Necromorph is an alien that the coven captured and is torturing

[dusk harness]

Tracker Rolecard : track people
this :

[tidal vale]

should it be its own gamemode?

[gentle field]

nope

it shouldn't exist at all

the Parasite mechanic is funny though. It could be it's own role.

[tidal vale]

nah ill still make it lol but probrably use some of the name ideas since theyre uh the only ones i can think of besides gpt suggestions

[gentle field]

instead replacing "incorrectly choosing target" with "gets essentially stoned" instead of "kills their chosen target"

[tidal vale]

could be ye

[rancid nacelle]

this seems op no?

u get a direct info and a free basic attack everyngiht

how did this get upvoted

your telling me you can just walk into whoever you want no buisness being there shoot them with a traquizlizer and then just throw out all the downsides of ti's by just learning there role

this would only be good if it was like a 2 use np

or not good i mean balancec

[tidal vale]

I dont think you can use trickshot n1 regardless

[rancid nacelle]

wdym

[tidal vale]

and also using tranquilizer is pretty weak for a nk

[rancid nacelle]

WDYM

IT IS WEAK?

IT REVEALS THERE ROLEEEEE

THAT IS TOO OP

[tidal vale]

NK's are soloists

they need information

[rancid nacelle]

OH THIS IS NEUTRAL

i misread this as town

still bit op

but ye ig it makes more sense mb

[tidal vale]

town killing would be wild 💀

[rancid nacelle]

yye

still i dont think it deserves free info

without a huge downside

like not being able to attack when u use a tranquilizer arrow

but trickshot just kinda throws that out the window

[tidal vale]

It's downside is that it has limits esp if you use trickshot you waste most of your special arrows

[rancid nacelle]

it also has like 98 kpn

like theres a bit too much kpn here

sure sk has a rampaging too but it also cant just attack twice randomly

[tidal vale]

at most your going to get like 2-3 kills with trickshot and electric arrow is a jinx attack that 50% of the time works

yeah but once you've used electric you have to use tranq + plain

[rancid nacelle]

why cant i just do double plain tho

also this still op

like

its basically transporting a vet

[dusk harness]

Rampage attack

[tidal vale]

I mean

[dusk harness]

It kills only one person

2*

target and one random player

[rancid nacelle]

no it says shocking any player

[tidal vale]

to be completely fair you cant double it per your trickshot

Basically think of it like this

[rancid nacelle]

ye still 2 kpn is op for a nk

just remove the direct attack with it and it would be pretty balanced

thats all my complaints about this ngl

[dusk harness]

SOOOO SHROUD IS OP
Okay

[tidal vale]

I use Electric + Plain n2 and N3 I HAVE to use plain + tranq

[dusk harness]

Okay. Cool

[tidal vale]

there's no doubling it

[rancid nacelle]

ok still

2kpn that is guarenteed

is kinda op

shroud can do that once before seer turns into a tk

and shroud nearly can never do that

[tidal vale]

It is but that's very limited and you have to consider saving it because it only happens once

[rancid nacelle]

because u have to get insanely lucky finding a seer n1

ok still tho its op

[tidal vale]

or seer posts d2 and easy double kill?

[dusk harness]

It can also be wasted.

[tidal vale]

it aint that hard

[rancid nacelle]

ok but then

the shroud wouldve probably killed by then

either way u only get 1 kphn

before seer is wary

and wont visit to not provoke shroud

or visit sus people

[tidal vale]

At most you get a rampage n2 and the rest is just reveals + basic attacks

[rancid nacelle]

it also has a way of outing you as shroud

[dusk harness]

Arso / WW can get more than 2 kills per night

[rancid nacelle]

ye

[dusk harness]

Why aren't they op?

[rancid nacelle]

beacuse

they have downtime

and waiting

and ways to get outewd

[tidal vale]

pretty niche for an nk

[dusk harness]

This can get outted too ;-;

[rancid nacelle]

ye but harder

cuz its a astral visit

[tidal vale]

Only special arrows grant astral visits

[rancid nacelle]

ye still a astral attack

[tidal vale]

Your astral is off with trickshot

[rancid nacelle]

im telling you

it would just be a fine nk even addable to game

[dusk harness]

one time use of 2KPN

SUCH A BROKEN ABILITY

[rancid nacelle]

which is still op

ye

2kpn is op

[tidal vale]

This is pretty weak compared to the rest of the NK's

[rancid nacelle]

thats why bersk is banned in pandora

[tidal vale]

Arso can get like 3-4 kills if theyre visted + douse

[rancid nacelle]

ye

[tidal vale]

but still is weak

[rancid nacelle]

but that has ways to prevent

like

not visiting

or spy

[tidal vale]

WW and SK both outclass this role

[rancid nacelle]

or like anything

untrue

ww gets 1 kill p2n

[tidal vale]

including shroud

[rancid nacelle]

this gets 2kpn whenever u want

[dusk harness]

It can get 2 or 3 +

[tidal vale]

Shroud can get 2 kills + a possible rampage if archer is shrouded

[rancid nacelle]

ye but that is required on rampage

[rancid nacelle]

oh shrouding the archer now?

WHAT BTOS2 GAMEMODE HAS 2 NKS ASIDE FROM COMPLIANT

theres like 1

which is april

[dusk harness]

TAA

[rancid nacelle]

ok fair but then again thats still a huge chance not too

[tidal vale]

People also said this was made for compliance due to its JOAT abilities

[rancid nacelle]

the point is having direct 2kpn is op

[tidal vale]

So your saying ww is too op?

[rancid nacelle]

ww doesnt have direct 2kpn

:/

[tidal vale]

your saying shroud is too op

[dusk harness]

THIS STILL DOESN"T

[tidal vale]

It does lol

[rancid nacelle]

shroud does but as i said earlier

IT DOESNT

[dusk harness]

HAVE DIRECT 2 KPN

[rancid nacelle]

WW CANT VISIT TWO PEOPLE

[tidal vale]

YOU STILL HAVE THE RISK OF NOT GETTING ANY VISITORS

[rancid nacelle]

ye then its just slightly better ww

ur just giving the ww niche to a guy that can attack everynight

just remove the electric zap direct attack

it would make it so much fairer

2 kpn is op

[tidal vale]

Okay so archer is weak now

[rancid nacelle]

no other nk has direct 2kphn

no archer is not weak

[tidal vale]

archer is the weakest nk now

[rancid nacelle]

no untrue?

its still good

it has info

attacking

rbing

and rampaging ish

cuz u can just visit the guy twice

with regular and the taser

that is so balanced

its like a perfect nk then

dare i say even still a bit op

[tidal vale]

ehhh ig but i still am considering zap to be here

[rancid nacelle]

its still fine nk tho

[lilac plinth]

I don’t like JOAT NKs

[rancid nacelle]

ye

joat nks arent really ever good unless its like banned in taa

and aa

[tidal vale]

TBF without rampage its very weak JOAT

[rancid nacelle]

and only in compliant killers or jackal returns

ye ig

like removing direct attack from zapping

that makes it not a joat anymore

and maybe lower the trickshot to a 1 use per game

[tidal vale]

So just no attack but rampage like jinx?

[rancid nacelle]

that might be a bit unbalanced

sorta but u can only just attack the guy directly with ur other arrow

and that resolves direct 2kpn

[tidal vale]

it was 3 shots before + limited to 1

but it was changed

[rancid nacelle]

no ye i say its perfect the way it is if u fix zap

cuz u can only get 1kpn plus 1 info or 1kpn + rampage

[bitter nest]

uh trickshot says once per game but says (2️⃣)

[rancid nacelle]

curbis nobody asked

[bitter nest]

[tidal vale]

[bitter nest]

fine I see how it is

wild

[rancid nacelle]

ye ngl now

[harsh flare]

@rancid nacelle has leveled up! (7 ➜ 8)

[rancid nacelle]

with the changes

this is probably the most realistic role ive seen in a bit to get added

its not too op

it has a bit more utility to sacrafice a bit of killing power

and it can only get rampage d2

i mean n2

or true rampage

ig