#Spy Rework 2.0 (Temporary)

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Spy (Town Investigative)

Attack: None
Defense: None

Abilities:

  • Bug a player's house at night, detecting the presence of evil roles in their vicinity.

Attributes:

  • Enchanted players who visit Bugged targets will appear as the Evil role they are Enchanted as.
  • Enchanted players will appear to perform the Suspicious Activities of the role they are Enchanted as.
  • Illusioned players will not appear to visit any Bugged targets.
  • Illusioned players will not appear to perform Suspicious Activities.

Bug (Night | ♾️)

  • Visit a player to Bug their house. Bugs remain on a target indefinitely.
  • Bugs will reveal all Suspicious Activities performed on your target at some point.
  • Bugs will reveal which evil roles visited their targets each night.

Suspicious Activity (Keyword): Suspicious Activities are attributes inflicted by certain evil abilities.

  • Murder: Performed by evil attackers (Conjurer, Ritualist, NK, etc)
  • Interference: Performed by evil disruption roles (Witch, Poisoner, Starspawn, etc)
  • Deception: Performed by evil deception roles (Enchanter, Illusionist, SC, etc)
  • Espionage: Performed by evil investigative roles (Potion Master, Wildling, etc)
  • Priming: Performed by evil priming roles (Hex Master, Arsonist, Plaguebearer, etc)

Feedback:

  • Your Bug detected a [Role] visiting your target last night.

  • You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Murder.

  • You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Interference.

  • You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Deception.

  • You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Espionage.

  • You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Priming.

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Monitor didn't work

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So I'm leaning more into detecting evil actions indirectly now

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The issue with Spy as it currently stands is that Bug doesn't have enough coverage to be useful, and relies on an extremely niche feedback-return mechanic that's only useful with TI.

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I've since moved that feature to Coroner in a previous rework

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So I'll once again be leaning more into Spy's niche of detecting evil activity

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quiet fable
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So I assume this is better investigator ;-;

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What

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It detects what happened to the target

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Not what the target did

quiet fable
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OH

tawny silo
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does the role part work like percept

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where it only sees evil roles

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ohhhhhhhhhh

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I thought it would catch the target doing something

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quiet fable
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Mfw I bug someone house and there is
You deduce that your target has taken place in an act of Interference.
And later i see "You saw @ visit your target they are Jinx !"

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Read the actual rework

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💀

quiet fable
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Bro this makes me think this is better invest

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word it better please

tawny silo
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...

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wintry lotus
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performed ON them

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If a target is Wildling sensed N1

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Then bugged N3

wintry lotus
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does precept still exist?

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Spy will still see Espionage

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wintry lotus
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oh shit

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like

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Both abilities are built into Bug

tawny silo
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so spy would have percept and not invest

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wintry lotus
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invest alread-

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whtaeverf

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Invest got percept removed a long time ago

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For good reason

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tawny silo
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So if an Evil visits, its gonna give the player 2 messages about the role and what kind of action?

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Yes

wintry lotus
tawny silo
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I'd remove percept thing then

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Your bug on [11] Waffle crackles with static. Putting it to your ear, you begin to listen.
Your Bug detected an Enchanter visiting your target last night.
Your Bug detected a Wildling visiting your target last night.
You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Espionage.
You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Deception.
You deduce that your target has since been the victim of Murder.

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An example of spy feedback

wintry lotus
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already

tawny silo
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ik

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I mean the role thing in this

wintry lotus
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lol no

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why

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Why would removing it be a good idea

tawny silo
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it defeats the purpose of the "Victim thing"

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no

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How

tawny silo
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If you know enchater visited, you already know theres deception

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Is it because the two abilities pick up on similar things? Because that's intentional

tawny silo
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and what kind of deception

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Did you read why this rework was needed

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Bug has bad coverage

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That's literally the extent of things

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This change serves to increase that coverage so that Spy is more reliable at doing what its meant to do

tawny silo
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so, im assuming that means the bug is there forever?

muted flint
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didnt you rework invest because you didnt like how invest covered coroner's niche with murder

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Someone else did

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@frank mauve did

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I think

quiet fable
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Coroner is the best
He doesn't need a rework

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Permabugs still exist

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I removed the "bug self" thing though because really, that had no reason to exist

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muted flint
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I mean this just seems like better invest

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Suspicious activities

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Performed by bugged targets

frank mauve
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ARE NOT SEEN

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THIS ROLE WORKS LIKE LOOKOUT, NOT TRACKER

frank mauve
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Do I have to spell it out

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For those who can't read

muted flint
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ohhhh I see

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Please

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People

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Read the damn rework before you say stupid things

frank mauve
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“stupid things”

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i didnt read it yet so like

muted flint
tawny silo
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I'm just confused

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cause ur saying u wont know when enchater visits

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Does THIS clear things up?

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muted flint
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also how does pb work with spy, is it just the specific person the pb visited?

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If they visit on the night of your bug or after

frank mauve
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“you deduce your victim has been the target of murder”

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erm wont they have died

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frank mauve
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but then its not murder

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But yes, usually your target is dead if you see that.

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If you want I can rename it

tawny silo
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So, would night 1 feedback be banned?

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But what else would it be? Assult?

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No

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This is a bonus on top of Spy's percept kit

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I'm not trying to nerf Spy

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I'm trying to buff it

tawny silo
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Cause then you would know the action was performed that same night

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Spy's percept kit

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Is meant to stay

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This gives it more info to make up for Percept's lack of coverage

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wintry lotus
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this is tos2 community

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ofc not