Mayor Rework | BetterTOS2 | Page 1

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:09 AM

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Frankly speaking, it's undoubtedly the worst TPOW role at the moment. It's in an awkward position where it doesn't feel good enough to be a Town Power role, however at the same time it's too prominent to be a Town Support role.

This brings me to the rework itself. I believe Mayor could function in a similar way to the Judge. The reveal function should not be name-bound.

To put it simply: revealing as a Mayor makes the town aware of your existence the same way calling court as a Judge does. The Mayor would be able to alternate between chatting publicly under their own name and chatting anonymously using their role moniker. They would also be able to alternate between a personal single vote and special triple vote. This would reward quick-witted and smart players while making no difference to subpar players.

(Edit: ignore alternating between votes)

somber kernel Jul 23, 2024, 1:10 AM

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ok so the issue about these anonymous reveal is that you can just follow the mayor vote with very little counterplay

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and if you get a TP to infinitely go on you, you basically cant die for evils to regain trial manipulation

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:10 AM

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Then take away the option of alternating between votes.

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This way your identity can be deduced via the lack of a vote from you as a person.

somber kernel Jul 23, 2024, 1:11 AM

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then the anonymous reveal is near pointless

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:11 AM

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It would give you immunity for some time.

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Enough to not be as useless.

somber kernel Jul 23, 2024, 1:11 AM

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it will just make evils look for who is voting for 3

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:11 AM

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You misunderstood,

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Your votes would be attributed as "the Mayor".

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They would be anonymous.

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You'd have to look for who is not voting.

somber kernel Jul 23, 2024, 1:12 AM

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oh, so it'd just be meta for town not to vote as much as possible to avoid outing the mayor

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:13 AM

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Then no votes would go through which beats the purpose of the role.

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:13 AM

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somber kernel and if you get a TP to infinitely go on you, you basically cant die for evils to...

And besides,

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How do you do so without potentially revealing who you are in the process?

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You'd have to run the risk of whispering a TP,

somber kernel Jul 23, 2024, 1:14 AM

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whispering conf tp / uncc'd TP

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:14 AM

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Who doesn't have to be real.

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You don't always get the blessing of an uncc'd/confirmed TP.

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It's situational, which applies to quite a large amount of roles.

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Point is,

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You're rewarded for being a good player and there is no difference if you're not amazing at the game.

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You can lead, but you cannot effectively be protected without revealing who you are with the exception of specific situations.

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You're a glass-cannon protected by the veil of being anonymous.

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Which is also not overly long-lived because you can be decuded via votes.

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Sure, town can try to cover you by not voting,

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But how well can they do that?

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And if too many people try to do so,

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Town will simply fail to vote, despite having 2 extra votes.

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I don't believe it's the ideal solution to the spot that Mayor is in currently,

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But in my eyes it's not terrible.

wraith prism Jul 23, 2024, 1:28 AM

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welp, this ruins the entire point of Mayor

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:29 AM

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wraith prism welp, this ruins the entire point of Mayor

Do you believe the current point of Mayor is executed well?

wraith prism Jul 23, 2024, 1:30 AM

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heady lark Do you believe the current point of Mayor is executed well?

yes

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all they did was mess it up by making Cleric and Crus not be able to protect it

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:31 AM

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What can you do as a Mayor that a Marshal can't do?

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The only exception I see is a difference of 1 extra vote.

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And while yes,

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A Marshal's votes are bound to tribunals,

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A tribunal allows for 2 evils to be voted out.

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And those tribunals number two.

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Which is enough killing power to not make the votes' temporary state a significant enough disadvantage.

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Revealing as a Mayor puts you on a pedestal which also makes you extremely vulnerable.

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When a Marshal reveals, he can do enough so that even if he dies the very next night, it is not necessarily a waste.

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Can the same be said about a Mayor?

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Most of the time revealing is only viable when done in a head-to-head situation, with those scenarios happening relatively rarely.

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And even if such a case occurs, you will only be able to vote one person before dying most of the time, because by the time it's head-to-head, TPs are probably dead.

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It's just incredibly weak when compared to other TPOWs.

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And this can be fixed by either nerfing other TPOWs or buffing/reworking Mayor.

lyric roost Jul 23, 2024, 1:43 AM

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so now mayor isnt an insta conf role?

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why tho

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:45 AM

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lyric roost so now mayor isnt an insta conf role?

Because it's never going to better than Marshal

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The only better quality of Mayor is the 1 vote difference + vote buff permanence

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Which isn't enough of an edge to be at least equal

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Besides,

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You misunderstand

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It CAN be an insta confirm role.

lyric roost Jul 23, 2024, 1:46 AM

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wdyn

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wdym

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:46 AM

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You are able to chat via a Mayor moniker,

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And using that, you can tell people who you are.

lyric roost Jul 23, 2024, 1:46 AM

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yeah i guess so

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:47 AM

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It is an insta-confirm if you wish it to be.

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But it doesn't have to be.

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That's the point.

lyric roost Jul 23, 2024, 1:47 AM

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i mean mayor should get a buff

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:47 AM

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It should, but I can't think of any proper buff. It might just be because Marshal is too overbearing.

lyric roost Jul 23, 2024, 1:47 AM

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maybe

native swan Jul 23, 2024, 1:48 AM

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You're not fixing the fundamental issue with Mayor

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That being it's bad at doing what its meant to do

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Countering Coven majority

heady lark Jul 23, 2024, 1:49 AM

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How so?

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I mean, how is it not a fix?

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Well no, I suppose it doesn't fix the core issue.

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