#Cloning (Modifier)

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real laurel
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All roles spawn in pairs if the rolelist allows.
This includes unique roles.

List of changes to unique roles to potentially make them function with multiple:

  • Jailor (Not recommended): If both jailors attempt to jail the same target, no jailing occurs. Instead, the jailors enter a private night chat with each other.
  • Monarch: Each monarch gains defense from only their knights
  • Marshal: Only one tribunal may be called per day
  • Prosecutor: Only one prosecution may occur per day
  • Coven Leader: If both coven leaders attempt to retrain the same coven member, they can pick which of the two roles to become
  • Hex Master: Each Hex Master has their own individual Hex list
  • Witch: If both witches attempt to control the same target, that target will not visit (as if they hit Unknown Obstacle)
  • Conjurer: Only one meteor may be cast in a day
  • Enchanter: If both enchanters attempt to forge the same player, their role is displayed as Hidden and their last will is hidden also
  • Necromancer: Two necromancers using the same corpse is handled the same way two retributionists using one is handled
  • Death: Armageddon happens iff any Death is not hanged that day. If both Deaths appear at once, town needs to hang one on each of the next two days to avoid Armageddon
  • Famine: Starvation is paused the night after a Famine is hung
  • Judge (Not recommended): Only one court may be called in a day
  • Jackal (Not recommended): Two jackals spawn, but both have the same set of recruits. If the recruits die, both jackals gain the ability to kill.
  • Pirate (Not recommended): This is entirely listed here to include the (Not recommended) tag, no actual changes.

Example rolelist:

Necro Passing
Cloning
Snitch
Hidden Roles
Hidden Killers

Town Power
Town Power
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Common Town
Common Town
Common Town
Common Town
Common Town
Random Coven
Random Coven
Common Coven
Common Coven
Common Neutral

Bans
Retributionist
Necromancer
Medusa
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(Dislikes incoming)

hearty sage
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Doesn't work since 15 isn't divisible by 2 lol

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Instead of a "Clone" modifier it should branch into a general "Unbound" modifier

finite girder
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Me on my way to get 2 Rits and 2 Potion masters

hearty sage
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That'd be crazy

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RC is Rit and CC is Pmer

dusty sundial
bright shuttle
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9v6 😍 with no TK 🥰
You should probably remove a TP and TI, and add TK + CT

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should probably turn RT into CT too

real laurel
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I uhh

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Might have forgotten tk existed

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Woops!

bright shuttle
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role list is already swingy as hell, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't mitigate it

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double medusa is so sad

real laurel
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Role list is updated a little

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Also its snitch so evils can potentially bluff with each other to make pairs

bright shuttle
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oh wait, I definitely misread the modifier

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RT is effectively CT

real laurel
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Not necessarily

mild igloo
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rt can be tpow if the 15th player is tpow

real laurel
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^^

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Same reasoning with Random coven + 3 common covens

bright shuttle
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...what?

real laurel
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Basically the idea behind backend stuff is

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It'd create the rolelist as normal

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And then tweak any slots it can to make pairs

mild igloo
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if you put rc and 3 cc

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rt will always be ct

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since you cant spawn non 2 clone

real laurel
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That's fair

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Tweaked

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double rc it is

real laurel
# bright shuttle ...what?

Essentially, because every other slot is in a pair, the rt slot will be solo. and as such could be tpow

bright shuttle
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okay now I actually have many more issues with this

mild igloo
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dont think clone work with coven since they will always spawn in pair and never in non pair

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unless its 3 cc + 1 rc

real laurel
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That's kinda the point of the modifier

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They always spawn in pairs

finite reef
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This seems very townsided

bright shuttle
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there will always be a non-pair since it's 9 town

finite reef
real laurel
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then theres one not in a pair

finite reef
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How are odd playercounts evaluated

mild igloo
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non pair will always be town

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with that rolelist

finite reef
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Imma be honest here
I don't see Coven winning a single game of this against a competent town

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Theres way too much setup confirmation here

bright shuttle
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I don't think double judge should be possible btw

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they decide d2 and d3 exe 😵‍💫

real laurel
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... its town maj

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Judge doesn't decide the exe

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Its not a prosecution

mild igloo
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common neutral is NE+NP right

real laurel
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Yea

mild igloo
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what if cn just np

bright shuttle
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8 evil votes doesn't sound like town maj

finite reef
real laurel
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A pm

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They can just use reveal pots

bright shuttle
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I feel like now that I actually read what the modifier does, you should just do TPow x2 and CT x9

finite girder
real laurel
bright shuttle
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knowing a pair of you exists is good info

real laurel
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Snitch exists also though

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So evils can fake being in pairs

bright shuttle
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yeah but that doesn't suddenly stop town from knowing a pair of admirers exist when one dies

real laurel
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No that's true

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Solution

mild igloo
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hidden r-

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no

bright shuttle
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reaal

real laurel
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sad

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I just added it too

bright shuttle
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honestly yeah

mild igloo
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hidden role is the only feasible way to basically not autoconfirm a town role

bright shuttle
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it might actually be the solution

real laurel
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Modifier that fixes everything here:

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Teams!

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(this is a joke)

bright shuttle
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10v5 with this is only balanced with hidden roles

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and it avoids double medusa!

finite reef
bright shuttle
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🤩

real laurel
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I am not making a teams list

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I detest teams lol

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But seriously with hidden roles does it work a little better now?

bright shuttle
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yup

finite reef
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It does

mild igloo
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hidden roles stop autoconfirm role so ye

finite reef
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Arguably

mild igloo
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of course if coro diddnt spawn

finite reef
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This entire game works better with hidden roles

bright shuttle
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true

mild igloo
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but you can also fake coro as evil and choose one of the snitch roles as a "pair"

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which confirm your team

finite reef
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Coro doesnt learn the role of the player they autopsy

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They only learn the killer

mild igloo
real laurel
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Retri kinda can learn the role of the player they use

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But not really

bright shuttle
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oh yeah

mild igloo
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i thought retri just cant choose stone

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oh wait tahts stone only

finite reef
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Only if its a TI

real laurel
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It doesn't make them stoned

finite reef
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Or Vigi ig

bright shuttle
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necro and retri are sad, so ban that

mild igloo
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i never played with hidden roles

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other than cvip which i hate

real laurel
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I might add some bans yea

mild igloo
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also

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ban medusa since its pointless in hidden roles

real laurel
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Oh yea absolutely

bright shuttle
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you are also forgetting book passing

real laurel
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I also added hidden killers

bright shuttle
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because it's not in the base game for some reason

real laurel
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forgot that wasn't intrinsic

bright shuttle
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why is it not

real laurel
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It is in base game

mild igloo
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hidden killers is yucky

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which i guess stop tk

bright shuttle
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I meant like base kit, like you don't need to put a modifier to add it

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it does stop tk confirmation

real laurel
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That's kinda why i had it

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There's no nks to worry about or anything

bright shuttle
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since you can claim to shoot a player and say they're coven because you didn't die at the end of the day

finite reef
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It would be better if it was default and there was a modifier to remove it

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Rather than the other way around

mild igloo
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cant wait for this modifier to be in april with a rolelist that have no way for them to spawn og

real laurel
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They meant base kit not base game

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Well that's an april problem

real laurel
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I love how this has 135 messages, and yet the top reaction is still just 1 pregnancy emoji

sharp stump
real laurel
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Ty!

finite reef
mild igloo
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i will add 1 more pregnancy emoji

bright shuttle
real laurel
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Now there's two different pregnancy ones lmao

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To complete the trifecta of pregnancy emojis

sharp stump
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I’ll still upvote because I like the idea

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But I don’t think it’s really feasible

real laurel
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I was aware of that, and agree - its way too much work to be feasible lol

sharp stump
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It would be fun tho if they ever did it

real laurel
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It would indeed

sharp stump
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I know that even examples like baker break, which is an unexpected one but considering bread isn’t owned by any particular baker, all bakers would transform as soon as any 3 people had bread

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It would be insanity loool

real laurel
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Oh I forgot baker woops
I was supposed to suggest bakers each have their own indepandant bread stacks lol

sharp stump
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Yea in order for it to work, bakers would have to like own the bread

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Tbh I think there actually isn’t any examples of roles that put a “status effect” on someone, but have individual ownership of that effect

real laurel
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Monarch

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CS Mon doesn't get defense from pre-existing knights

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IIrc

sharp stump
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Knights vanish off the face of the earth when the Monarch changes

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If I’m not mistaken

real laurel
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I don't believe they do? I'm pretty sure they keep the knighted status

hearty sage
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How does CS Baker work then?

real laurel
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CS Baker goes off pre-existing bread

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actually its busted

hearty sage
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Gotcha

real laurel
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Because og baker has bread too

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so it can create d3 famines

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Not fun

sharp stump
real laurel
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I'd be down to test it in custom+ or smth

sharp stump
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I’m very far away from home atm sadly

real laurel
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Sad

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Hope you're enjoying your trip though if you're on one :)

sharp stump
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That’s also why I didn’t respond after pinning, I was mid lesson LUL

real laurel
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Ouch

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But thanks for the pin anyways

sharp stump
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I sneak pinned it without them noticing

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Np

hardy oracle
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knights stay when an amne mon/cs-created mon shows up

finite reef