Librarian (Town Investigative)

[stark osprey]

Attack: None
Defense: None

Abilities/Attributes:
Erudition:
• Choose any evil role to learn if any instance of said role performed an action during the night.
■ You will not learn about day abilities.
■ You will not know how many of said role performed an action, you'll just know that at least one or none happened.
☆ A role will count as performing an action so long as they actively perform an ability. Being unable to due to an Unknown Obstacle or being roleblocked will count as no actions performed.
(Dunno how this would work with arso trying to clean gas from themselves since that's technically an ability and therefore an action, also since Pirate only has day actions and is already pretty visible I think there's no need for it to be selectable)
• Non present roles will naturally never perform actions. However bodies used by Retributionists or Necromancer will count as performing actions.
• Illusioned Coven will be hidden from your results. Mass Hysteria will revert them.

Insight (special)(2):
• Enables you to perform Erudition on town roles aswell (maybe except your own because you'll just find yourself and Deputy since it only has a day ability).
• Enchanted (and SC'd) townies will be hidden from your results.

Feedback:
> You have decided to use your Insight tonight.
> You have decided to use your Erudition to learn about #Jailor.
> Your studies could not find any action occurring tonight.
> Your studies found that the chosen role has acted tonight.

[flat shard]

I like the concept but this feels like worse spy

[red dew]

this is just base spy but a bit more direct

[stark osprey]

FUCK I forgot they added spy back mb I shouldn't be doing shit at 5am lmao

[agile harness]

"Evil role"

"learn about #Jailor"

[stark osprey]

Completely ignores special ability 💀

[fossil dragon]

Ew books

That’s not good criticism but this role is ass

It’s bad spy

[obsidian rune]

Librarian could be better if they could check to see if an evil role is in the game, but that drops off in value quickly

[agile harness]

it contradicts the main point of the role

it is also overpowered

[stark osprey]

Bro the main point of the role is to find out if the roles the player is thinking of are present or not in the game, not to exclusively find out about evils

Because if it's just finding out evils then it'll suffer the exact same problem sheriff has on late game which is having nothing else to find (at least on most lists)

Naturally, as you pointed, knowing if X or Y town roles are in or not is a huge deal since that can clear or out specific claimers instantly, which is why it's limited uses

[agile harness]

which is still broken

you essentially know to trust X's information with 100% certainty

and this can't be effected by enchanter/illu

this literally defies the entire point of role buckets

[stark osprey]

Literally can??? Read 2nd bullet point on Insight

[agile harness]

which is the tradeoff for knowing the exact evil team?

[agile harness]

so illu hides 1 person from librarian

not useful at all

[drowsy pawn]

this shouldn't be able to confirm townies

[agile harness]

and ench is legit random luck

[agile harness]

this is exactly what I'm saying

[drowsy pawn]

also I don't see why we're creating a new ti

[agile harness]

the confirming if X townie role in play actually just removes counterplay

[drowsy pawn]

I feel like any concept you can come up with should just be a psy rework

[stark osprey]

Tbf this can easily happen naturally depending on team setup

[agile harness]

you need 4 coven roles that tell town exactly what they do

which doesn't happen because CU and CD aren't apparent

CL and hex aren't apparent either

[drowsy pawn]

this can check for enchanter or something n1 then just spend the next couple nights claim checking and chain confirming with other ti claims

[agile harness]

the best thing to do in most cov lists is check for enchanter yes

like the optimal strategy as this role is

N1 - enchanter
N2 - confirm a diff ti, hang if not in play
N3 - conf a diff ti, hang if not in play
N4 - confirm a TP/TS

[stark osprey]

Again it has 2 uses, not that it matters much

[agile harness]

oh true

so n3 you just confirm a TI and still win the game instantly

like you either hang 2 evils, 1f1 or confirm two townies

[stark osprey]

There's still counterplay tho: 1) if X role has multi claimers then said role is unreliable to check, cus you'll know it exists but won't know if both are conf. 2) if the role you check for gets rbd or stumbles on an UO you won't be able to conf their existence.

[agile harness]

for 1 you don't check roles that have more than 1 claimer

and for 2 you deadass just know they're telling the truth in most scenarios

[drowsy pawn]

the flipside of the issue is that this also heavily restricts evil claimspace

[agile harness]

if you can confirm the rb/UO

[agile harness]

I pointed this out

[drowsy pawn]

like if you wanna claim sheriff, you basically have to make sure there's an actual sheriff first

otherwise you're screwed

[agile harness]

this also makes tav baker and Pois an even worse trio

[drowsy pawn]

well it's good to know that we both thought of the same thing

[agile harness]

because now you just check for Tav and any rbers are Pois/Baker

^ if there is no tav