#New TI - Analyst

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little gulch
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This feels like it’s very easily abused by Town

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Because let’s say you have suspects of 4 5 9 and you know Town has to hang this

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You just have to ask everyone to abstain except them

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To benefit this role

oak ivy
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ngl this kinda looks like a worse Psychic

little gulch
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And this doesn’t have a hard limit of how many people you can do this with

tight agate
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Abstains count as inno

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what about that

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they what

oak ivy
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still a worse Psychic

little gulch
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But it has “visions” every day

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Except for n1

tight agate
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i see what you mean

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but i think its different from psychic in a ton of ways

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not just worse ways

little gulch
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If you use that same example

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Of 2 evil 4 town

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If those evils are killed you clear literally everyone else

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Unlike Psy

tight agate
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Illusion

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Necro holder

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Warlock

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🤷‍♂️

little gulch
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Almost nobody believes those

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And only illusionist messes with hard clears

tight agate
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but this time its very likely that one of those framing roles

little gulch
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And necro holder

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I guess

tight agate
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come into play with analyst

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which is where the deception comes in

little gulch
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Seems quite swingy as a role though, and also I don’t like mechanics that fundamentally make you play differently with votes

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Votes should only have two purposes

tight agate
little gulch
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Kill the people you want to kill and attempting to blend in

tight agate
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you wanna see the original post

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i got this from

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Analyst - TI, Analyze the results of the previous days trial votes. You can investigate INNOCENTS, GUILTIES, or ABSTAINS, and you can only investigate one trial of your choice. You will learn how many of the votes of that type were suspect. All evils minus necro holders will be suspicious votes.

little gulch
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If you throw another role into it then evils have to consider whether to guilty even though it’s not what they normally do

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Same with Town

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And I don’t like that kind of system

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As Town you should guilty who you think is guilty and inno who you think is inno

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But this role’s existence messes that judgement up

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Because their choice now impacts the quality of your information

tight agate
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town shouldn't be worried since Anaylst is a TI no?

little gulch
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Would you rather have a Psy will with 3 suspects or 5 suspects

tight agate
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oh yeah i guess thats true

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alr idea scrapped

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or what if

tight agate
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doomsayer is a boring ass role

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😴

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Doomsayer analyzes

little gulch
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?

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Guess three players as a role?

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That seems really bad as a TI

tight agate
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doomsayer itself

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as a Neutral

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doomsayer with the ability

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to anaylze

little gulch
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So buff Doomsayer?

tight agate
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reveal to town theres a doomsayer on D3

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😇

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its become a bit of a stretch

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but its not the worst

little gulch
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If you give an NE this ability

tight agate
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everyone goes paranoid

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town goes into chaos

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coven become afraid

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in my opinion thats the point of a Neutral

little gulch
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Then it just does the “role mechanics shouldn’t affect people’s voting decisions” point again

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But worse

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Since now it’s not a Town member

tight agate
little gulch
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And anyone that feeds info to this gets punished

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Not really?

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It just stops them from voting

tight agate
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oh

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yea

little gulch
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You can say that to Warlock but nobody knows who is cursed

tight agate
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?

little gulch
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So it’s very unlikely that Town will play differently

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Because of Warlock

little gulch
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I don’t think there’s a way to fix this

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Without destroying the core concept

tight agate
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isn't the core concept

little gulch
tight agate
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the core concept is looking at data

little gulch
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Okay

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How else do you propose to generate it

tight agate
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what else

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is there left

little gulch
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Not much

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That’s why making new TIs is so hard

tight agate
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no more analyzing

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everything analyzed is done

hushed urchin
tight agate
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its wide

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and has everything

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you would need to find out

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so maybe we don't

tight agate
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we have

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literally 3

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Ret, Tav and the other one

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admi

hushed urchin
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ye

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we need more TS' imo

tight agate
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And you can offer them teas that do special types of things

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Like drug them or cure their negative effects

little gulch
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Adm was reworked partially because of that

tight agate
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Ok what about

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THE MEDIUM

little gulch
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no.

tight agate
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(Not tos1 copy trust)

little gulch
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As soon as I heard it

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No

tight agate
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Ok what about

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What about

tight agate
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"A better amnesiac"

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just throw away amne and replace for this

little gulch
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oooooookay

tight agate
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a role that picks 2 people at night, if at least one die, they get to use their ability only for the following night regardless if its town or not. If both targets die, altruist chooses one (using day ability to choose priority)

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oh

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That's just like ret

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But with evils

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Ret mixed with SC mixed with Amne

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It's cool!!!

little gulch
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So just

tight agate
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@little gulch rad or bad

little gulch
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Town Necro?

tight agate
little gulch
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This just seems like Town Necro SC hybrid

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Yeah

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For good reason

tight agate
little gulch
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Doesn’t seem to be

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That unique

tight agate
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And it cant use tpow or day abilities

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Which nerfs it even more

tight agate
little gulch
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But they’re not the same faction

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One prevents the other from being hard conf

tight agate
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this is like a mix

little gulch
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Upon doing anything

tight agate
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Necro prevents this being hard conf

little gulch
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Well yeah but that speaks to the necessity of necro existing

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But doesn’t speak to the necessity of this role existing

tight agate
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That speaks to the necessity of pois also existing right

little gulch
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Yea

tight agate
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Oh

little gulch
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A main reason why Compliance is shit is because roles like Poisoner or Baker doesn’t exist

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So Tav is just hard conf

tight agate
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Damn

little gulch
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Idk if Auditor exists but like Audi and Tav targets very different people

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So very few Tavs would get accused of being Audi

tight agate
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Hmm

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Sooo

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No altruist

ripe agate
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original message deleted, what was it

smoky badger
oak ivy
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i dont remember exactly

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but it had to do with votes

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so technically a TI-TPow hybrid

smoky badger
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"town of freaky"

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i didn't acutally mean it

tight agate
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then Matthew changed my mind abt it

smoky badger
little gulch
smoky badger
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also due to shit like

little gulch
smoky badger
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"GUYS ONLY I INNO"

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insta confirmed

little gulch
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people would play too meta with their votes that votes cease to become "whether you think this person is actually evil or not"

little gulch
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so if 6 guilty 1 inno it will check guilty voters

smoky badger
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yeah?

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0 guilty

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the rest abstain

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1 inno

little gulch
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abstains count as inno

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for this role

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more accurately abstain and inno are grouped together

smoky badger
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ah ok that is slightly more balanced

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eh

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you can't really

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fuck over this TI

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and it's really hard to fake-claim as any lie will just get you fucked over

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also detection immunities???? how do they interact? do they just not?

little gulch
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It can be fooled by Illu Enc and SC

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And other deception

smoky badger
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(and warlock then by extension)

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idk it's uh

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intresting

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also let me check something

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ok OP is not in the any of the Botc disocords i am in

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because this is just a better version of fucking uh...

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town crier/flowergirl

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yeah it's uh...

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intresting for sure

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but

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idk

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surpised OP deleted

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it's not a bad idea

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it's just the way it's implemented

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it's eitehr

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busted

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or useless

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idk if we could find a good inbetween

little gulch
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I think role mechanics that relies on how other people vote isn’t really that good

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Sure Warlock exists but Town isn’t going to play differently because Warlock exists as a role

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Because

  1. You don’t know whether there is a Warlock or not as Town
  2. You don’t know whether you are cursed(at least not immediately)
smoky badger
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ye

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i am just

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surpised they acutally did

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i have seen way worse ideas people just go

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"nuh uh fuck you"

little gulch
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But this role’s existence will be claimed if it does exist and it’s like a “global curse” in terms of affecting people’s voting decisions

smoky badger