The Crew 2 | v1.0 | Viri’s Proposal

[wooden bridge]

But I mean, I think at some point we need new content so

There's nothing wrong with posting ideas

[hybrid haven]

The idea in btos1 was that crew would be added to a test server first

[sly thistle]

Yeah apoc overhaul

[wooden bridge]

It's not like tuba will see it and go AAHAHH I NEED TO ADD IT NOW IM SO STRESSED AAHH

[sly thistle]

[wooden bridge]

Well the stress part will happen but still

Tuba does too much shit bro

[hybrid haven]

Apoc needs to die and go back to NK-type roles

[sly thistle]

No

NO

[wooden bridge]

I mean

[sly thistle]

I can make apoc work

[wooden bridge]

To be fair

Pandora works well as the apoc rework

[hybrid haven]

You cannot make apoc work it should have never been more than OPG in the first place

[wooden bridge]

We don't need to waste resources on apoc that way

Apoc could straight up be moved into coven as a special category LOL

But that's a hypothetical I'm not saying thats THE course of action

[hybrid haven]

Worst thing that happened in tos2’s entire history is apoc turning into a faction

[sly thistle]

It's just berserker is a cunt to balance around and have stopped trying to balance around him and now I'm looking to see if I can overhaul him

[hybrid haven]

Berserker should just go back to being jugg as an NK, remove the invincible defense and announcement message and remake berserker from the ground up

[wooden bridge]

Jugg was shit to be fair

[hybrid haven]

Because jugg started with no defense

Otherwise jugg was fine

[sly thistle]

They did? Lol

[hybrid haven]

In old tos1 jugg had no defense until kill 2

[wooden bridge]

Jugg had more issues than that

It was just bad overall

I don't feel like getting into it tho tbf

[hybrid haven]

Let jugg kill n1 and it’s fine

[sly thistle]

Also I can't decide on;
Full vip
Or soft vip

[hybrid haven]

No vip?? What the fuck

In town of Salem????

[sly thistle]

No as in

Botc

[wooden bridge]

what

[hybrid haven]

I’m confused too

[wooden bridge]

Are you doing the thing where berserker is apoc vip

like whatever fake's idea was or wtv

[hybrid haven]

VIP is one of TOS’s worst mechanics period

[wooden bridge]

Well

[sly thistle]

When the acylote dies, apoc is basically dead

Full vip = litterally apoc is dead
Much simpler but this is Farr to weak in a game like this

Soft vip = apoc can't do anything until they get their acyolte back, (via resummon to swap form the graveyard lol)

[wooden bridge]

TOS is a bit too fast for VIP

But it's not bad conceptually at all

But myeah uh the idea of apoc having a vip by default is

Bad

[sly thistle]

Because town and coven are not built around having a vip

Lmao

[wooden bridge]

Demon is not a concept that translates into tos

Because it's too fast, too overkill

Too much info

[sly thistle]

Fair Soft vip might be better

But death swapping then becomes a problem

[wooden bridge]

Just in general tho tbh

I think it's just a

not good idea for tos

Pandora works fine

[sly thistle]

Death dies
Resummon
Apoc member -> death

Resummon is funne

And needs to be less complex

I can make apoc work

I swear...

[hybrid haven]

(He will never make apoc work)

[high sedge]

Imo, apoc works much better as a faction due to both theme, but more importantly as a danger, sc was notoriously inconsistent without a partner apoc to either speed it up or to call attention while the death collected souls.

Bers is the only real issue and that's honestly because it's entirely killing power with little limitation

[hollow seal]

this has a lot of KP

[high sedge]

I noticed that too, a lot more KP than a full CK team imo

[hollow seal]

why does a factional role need rampage

.

[thorn quarry]

I think adding a new faction would be fire.

[hybrid haven]

Which one has rampage again

I haven’t checked these roles in a long time

[hybrid haven]

This is very fair crew isn’t meant to have that much KP, since NK’s are its ally and the only list you’ll find crew in is gonna be one with NKs

[hollow seal]

the kraken + cannoneer

[hybrid haven]

Kraken is NK

[hollow seal]

o

cannoneer

[hybrid haven]

Cannoneer rig was made out of the blue that’s a very fair shot though

I might rework crew killing

[hollow seal]

i mean they work with NK

them adding extra KP is stupid

its like NK kill + more

[hollow seal]

just make CK allow NK's jobs of killing to be way easier like
"Your target cannot receive defense tonight." or sumn

[hybrid haven]

The issue is then crew is dependent on NKs for CrK to do anything good

[hollow seal]

i suppose

but allowing it to add to the KPN

with all of them having Powerful attacks

is a lot...

[hybrid haven]

The main reason crew has powerful is because it allows for friendly fire

There’s not really any town that get shafted by it

For balance purposes communication between crew and NK needs to be perfect lest they risk killing their allies

Ok I lied mon exists

[high sedge]

I think the issue might just be how much they resemble NPs while still trying to be a faction of it's own

you either have to reduce KPN and relegate them to support like an NP, or remove/reduce their benefits/dependency on NKs

[thorn quarry]

Uhhh do we have any idea on how to overhaul catalyst, because the current state of that role is not ideal imo.

[last igloo]

btos had the crew??

[wooden bridge]

No

The original suggestion I mean

[last igloo]

oh

[wooden bridge]

Crew is an old old old ass suggestion

[last igloo]

i mean basekit compliance wincons does sound

cool

[wooden bridge]

It’s not

Compliance suuuck

We’ve tried to make it work so many times, it doesn’t

[last igloo]

oh

[wooden bridge]

Every single compliance list was either town sided or evil sided

There’s no inbetween

So one side is super punishing and unfun to play the other side is boring because of how easily you win

Also we already have the apoc problem

Killpower being based on the status of a single player

It means if they are alive or dead the game either goes super fast or painfully slow

This is exactly what we want to avoid

Also that’s ignoring the fact that the roles are just kinda boring and uninspired tbh

[hybrid haven]

Yeah that sucks

That’s the main reason crew even has killers

[hybrid haven]

These roles?

[wooden bridge]

Yes but, the issue is still there

If the NK(s) die, killpower is significantly reduced

[hybrid haven]

I thought I had pretty okay role ideas actually

Kinda shot my ego there

[wooden bridge]

My bad

I don't mean to put you down

[hybrid haven]

Like give me credit for chef

:(

Honestly if you want me to swap crew around AGAIN and replace the winning condition, I’d need to fully overhaul and need anew gimmick

I will not be using a Necronomicon base for the faction that simply is not happening

[wooden bridge]

Chef is a buffed version of Consig, which is cool

But I wouldn't consider it super unique

[hybrid haven]

I want something original

[wooden bridge]

I do think I was way too harsh here actually

[hybrid haven]

I thought compliance idea was original so I just went with it

[wooden bridge]

My bad

[hybrid haven]

It’s okay, as long as you didn’t mean it like that

If you have valid criticism for any specific role I will take it and improve in it

(As in not “the theme sucks”)

[wooden bridge]

Also, to be fair, my standards can be seen as too high. I've had my own faction on the backburner for a while, but because I want to create unique roles that are meaningful within the faction, that's kind of really difficult

So my word isn't gospel or anything, it's just my opinion

[hybrid haven]

Crew Goal ideas:

— NO REWORKS NEEDED
Eliminate all enemy players (base faction goal)
Kill (X) amount of players. (By their abilities)

— REWORK NEEDED
Eliminate all factions excluding NKs. (Current goal)

— HEAVY REWORK NEEDED
Eliminate all key figures. (Inq faction but specifically high-priority roles)
Gain (X) amount of (money name). (Potential to make an entirely new mechanic, the money in question)

@fallow skiff I want your opinions you’re good at this

Any other faction ideas?

I’m leaning towards a neutral faction so that it isn’t a “fifth faction”

[fallow skiff]

for faction ideas?

I was always thinking of an anti magic faction because not every role is magical

but with coven existing they're all magic so

[hybrid haven]

That’s specifically flavor themed and will always swing unfairly

And yeah coven just gets another enemy

[fallow skiff]

a neutral faction works if balanced properly but depends on your take of neutral

a faction that's true neutral is just NB

[hybrid haven]

Neutral as in can win with others under a specific condition, not a full NK

[fallow skiff]

oh then yes

I've always wanted something like that

[hybrid haven]

Crew has always been meant to be that

[fallow skiff]

it's possible and I can help with it AFTER we finish sins

[hybrid haven]

It left my vision when we made it a stand-alone faction

[fallow skiff]

Crews only problem is that it's just NP for NKs

[hybrid haven]

I’ll lock in on sins tomorrow after I’m done working

[hybrid haven]

A lot of people despise the fact CrK exists at all

[fallow skiff]

it should have like a 2nd wincon or something to not just make it "You win if NK wins (or you're solo)"

[hybrid haven]

You do win solo if NKs are dead

Nks are an ally not a VIP

[fallow skiff]

if NK doesn't exist

then you're basically winning solo

which makes it kinda just another evil faction that's there

they don't have a true secondary objective that isn't majority (unlike CS and Vampires)

[hybrid haven]

That’s very fair I haven’t thought about that

[hybrid haven]

What’s vamps second objective

Am I missing something

[fallow skiff]

convert all the townies

[hybrid haven]

Oh that okay

[fallow skiff]

its majority but it's without the killing

[hybrid haven]

Fair

[fallow skiff]

in theory you can convert EVRRY townie

[hybrid haven]

My personal idea was one of the two in the heavy rework area

The idea of pirate mercenaries is my favorite

[fallow skiff]

kill x amount is boring but it can work if you neuter the CrK

the inq as a faction idea sounds more interesting if you tie a theme into it

like treasure

[hybrid haven]

The idea is the pirates are mercenaries

[fallow skiff]

yeah so it can work especially for this time period

[hybrid haven]

” You have been hired to eliminate the key figures of the Town. These figures are as follows: Mayor, Jailor, Witch, Ritualist. “

[fallow skiff]

and even without lore balancing it still works well, you just need to ensure it has something else to not just make it "inq as a faction" like a mechanic based around their wincon

[fallow skiff]

now this sounds good actually

[hybrid haven]

My idea is 4 targets instead of 3 so that rng doesn’t have them auto win

[fallow skiff]

eliminate 1 key target from each faction in the case they're in a mode with 3 factions

and then 1 extra

[hybrid haven]

The allowed targets are as follows;

TPWR
CPWR
CK
APOC
NK (if at least two of one NK exist)

[fallow skiff]

not neutral bullies but they have a genuine goal

[fallow skiff]

yeah I like this a lot more

punish em for killing incorrectly as well

[hybrid haven]

The clause with NK is to prevent NK from rng gaining an enemy they can’t win with under any circumstabces

I’m gonna have to make a new faction again

Fuckkkkkkkkkkk

[fallow skiff]

lol

[hybrid haven]

Lemme start setting up the thread

[fallow skiff]

if you need any ideas lmk

[hybrid haven]

OVERHAUL ON ROLES STARTING

• Crew (Killing) is being removed entirely, roles in the category will get placed elsewhere.

[high sedge]

👍

[hybrid haven]

Corsair can be ported as is to crew chaos

I was thinking of turning Quartermaster into crews PN

[lucid gulch]

What is the Crew's spawn condition?

Does it require NKs to be in the game to spawn?

[hybrid haven]

Crew can spawn without NKs

But only 2 evil factions max can spawn

[lucid gulch]

How many Crew can spawn at once?

[hybrid haven]

3-4, undecided

Depends on power level of the crew at the end of the rework

[mild citrus]

well if a crew rework is being done and you need any help I am available (probably)

[hybrid haven]

Very good

Quartermaster is gonna be crews PM

What’s some good abilities for the JOAT role

[high sedge]

same here (sort of, I might delay an hour but I wan't to help)

[hybrid haven]

The Quartermaster
Crew (Support)

Attack: Basic
Defense: None

Abilities:

• You may select a piece of equipment from the armory at night.

Attributes:

• You may only use each equipment piece once, after using all three, you gain a use of each of them.

ITEMS:

Scimitar

Chainmail

• All Crew roles gain Basic defense tonight.

Pistol

Current quartermaster rework

[fallow skiff]

info, disruption, and either team support or enemy sabotage

[hybrid haven]

Disruption seems good but not an rb

[fallow skiff]

i mean uo exists

any sort of disruption

[mild citrus]

well uh what's new Crew's win condition gonna be

are they still gonna be a faction and have to kill all other factions or are they gonna be something else?

[high sedge]

seeing as Killing roles are removed, chances are they go neutral, but we shall see

[sly thistle]

why?

[high sedge]

honestly, I do think it was good, as it was but I trust Momoiro

[sly thistle]

no but like

that's lowkey annoying for like set-ups

eh whatever

[sly thistle]

because i made buckets

of like random factional

Random Factional Power
Random Factional Killing
Random Factional Utility
Random Factional Deception
Common Factional (RFU/D
Strong Factional (RFP/K)
Random Factional.... geez i wonder

so in a list of
Random Factional Power
Random Factional Killing
Common Factional
Common Factional

since there is no crew killing now

uhh...

only coven can spawn...

[high sedge]

intriguing

but like, the only other faction is apoc who has ... none of those classifications

[sly thistle]

Counterpoint:

apoc is barely a faction

also this is meant for something else don't worry about it

[high sedge]

fair

[mint sail]

Do the crew know each other or have a night chat (other than smuggler)

[hybrid haven]

Yes they do

[mint sail]

Ok thanks

[trim fiber]

i remember when the first version of this came out and i was so jealous of it that i downvoted out of spite

now i realise im just cringe

[trim fiber]

and i mean by the first version i mean the the creator first posted it

[granite raven]

Wow never seen this before how is this not added with the most likes I have ever seen?

[craggy wind]

I think viri scrapped it

idk exactly why

still pretty neat though

[tawdry night]

As a general faction is ranked/AA I think this is a fun main faction, I have not revealed every role but I like all the claim ability , does the head do the pirate plunder? Or is it just a powerful attack, crew killing does have a lot of kpn which could be concerning, this is a killing based faction, anyway fun idea

[hybrid haven]

i didnt, i just havent gotten back to it

[craggy wind]

Ah okay

[granite raven]

This should be in the game tbh