#Dreamweaver Experimental Rework

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sacred cipher
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you COULD just add the Nocromicon modifier

willow wharf
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and nothing short of an overhaul changes that

jagged heath
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Hardly

willow wharf
barren sinew
foggy wraith
jagged heath
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whats NK about PB, Baker or SC. The transform is a factionwide gimmick that doesn't make them NKs

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Bers yes that role is just Juggernaut, that is obvi

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but the other 3 just arent

willow wharf
torn breach
barren sinew
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they're NKs in the sense that they are independently strong roles

willow wharf
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theyre a gimmick nk

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like arso

barren sinew
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and they literally started as NKs but different subalignment

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id rather return to that with them being literal NKs

vivid coyote
barren sinew
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or factionize them

slender glacier
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PB, Baker, and SC all fill the same Niche as Hexmaster

barren sinew
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using a modifier to solve an issue kinda feels like sweeping it under the rug

willow wharf
slender glacier
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Alternative wincons

willow wharf
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ive proved i can have my cake and eat it

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and now i want it in game

barren sinew
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personally I want it to be a faction with the four horsemen as power roles backed by utility support roles

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overhaul bers into not killing and just give the faction a flat 1KPN

torn breach
vivid coyote
vivid coyote
willow wharf
foggy wraith
willow wharf
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if bers kills, apocnomicon doesnt

foggy wraith
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Yeah no they can still run solo just fine

torn breach
barren sinew
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id honestly just prefer tactical killing than necro passing

willow wharf
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if bers visit is unsafe, apocnomicon killing

barren sinew
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but necro passing is acceptable

willow wharf
barren sinew
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no i mean

jagged heath
barren sinew
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at night the faction votes who to kill and who does the visiting

willow wharf
jagged heath
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It just has the side effect of we can add coven roles to apoc now, and try see if we can make some cool balanced lists around it

willow wharf
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which is great

jagged heath
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I don't like the idea of just turning apoc into a second Coven

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this solves that problem and saves us like hundreds of hours of work

willow wharf
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it makes em more like botcs evil but more basic imo

torn breach
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modifier made for fun + actual balance = happiness :D

barren sinew
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secret killers and necro passing

willow wharf
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i still want the cult because acolyte voting+apocnomicon gets destroyed when horsemen erupt

jagged heath
torn breach
willow wharf
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cuz necros zombie is a skeleton

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a glowing skeleton

foggy wraith
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Nah necro ghoul from tos1 old UI is a chainsaw murderer

barren sinew
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my vision for the faction is

  • An unincreaseable 1KPN (one support role each night can give up their ability to perform the kill)
  • Horsemen are alternate wincons for the faction that either drastically increase KP, get the faction in a ready position to win, or just flat out win
  • Weaker support roles that can double as sacrifices to help the horsemen transform
torn breach
barren sinew
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but back to this idea for a second

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i really feel like it would be healthier for DW to become a hypno

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like tuba and others pointed out this is unusable if there is a TPow in the graveyard

polar rapids
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rare curtis posting in suggestions?

willow wharf
torn breach
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hypno may be weak but it's still healthier than both this and current DW

barren sinew
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this is an interesting take on the concept of a vanillaizer though

willow wharf
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tho at this point my main argument for apoc rn is so that i can kick dwer out of coven

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like thats the biggest plus

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deputy and dwer go straight out of their alignments

slender glacier
jagged heath
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I don't even know why because I often end up just posting suggestions that I already know I am adding LOL

slender glacier
polar rapids
willow wharf
barren sinew
jagged heath
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what if I have an idea that someone can improve on, or I am way off what I think is a good idea

willow wharf
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ive been pushing for that marshal rework for a good while

barren sinew
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hypno is a fantastic way to fuck with confrimation, especially TP confirmation

slender glacier
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As long as it has actually good messages

willow wharf
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also just neuters all tps getting hardconfed

barren sinew
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what

willow wharf
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well i dont like the tp message

barren sinew
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how does the "you were protected and survived" message interract with NKs

willow wharf
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because you know you were attacked

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and so does someone else

jagged heath
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why should you not know you were attacked

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what

willow wharf
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which means neuts can get exposed by coven

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because nobody protected them if they claimed to get attacked

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and if they dont

jagged heath
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you realise you arent told how you target was saved already unless it kills you right

willow wharf
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well boom hard confirmed neut

barren sinew
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you shouldnt know you were attacked becuase its confirmation for confirmation's sake

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i dont know what fucker is going on about

slender glacier
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I feel like that’s a death note on coven issue not a message issue

barren sinew
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neutrals have nothing to do with the TP thing

jagged heath
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atleast barrier doesnt, barrier literally raises your defence

silk spade
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Make Dreamweaver hypnotist 2 (trust)

jagged heath
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so when you survive an attack with a barrier, it is because you have defence just like an evil

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and we updated the attack messages to "Someone attacked you" instead, so you don't know who saved you

willow wharf
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but it explicitly says a barrier saved you

jagged heath
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Why are you not allowed to know that

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Only the NK sees it in this scenario

willow wharf
jagged heath
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not knowing that TP saved you is so stupid

jagged heath
polar rapids
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Rare curtis W

jagged heath
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What is your point

willow wharf
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you said it hid the tp so unless i missed something

barren sinew
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i have no clue what fucker is going on about or why he's bringing neuts into the discussion

jagged heath
willow wharf
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because i dont like nks being exposed to coven for being attacked

jagged heath
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What else is meant to happen exactly

slender glacier
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I mean I think that happens regardless

jagged heath
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The coven are told they have defence if an Oracle, Cleric, Crusader or PM heals them

willow wharf
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nothing is what i want to happen

jagged heath
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???

barren sinew
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I think its dumb that the TP message exists and literally has no way to mechanically fake

jagged heath
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You are already told nothing

barren sinew
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but what do neuts have to do with this

jagged heath
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unless its BG or Trapper, because those guys execute you anyway

willow wharf
barren sinew
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you've confirmed a TP

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thats not nothing

slender glacier
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I attacked 4 and 4 didn’t die and nobody claimed tp on 4

barren sinew
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oh

jagged heath
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Why is the NK knowing this a problem, that literally outs NKs for not knowing they were attacked

slender glacier
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Even without the message same thing happened

willow wharf
jagged heath
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And no I am not removing that TP message, that makes the game so miserable to play

barren sinew
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I agree

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but why neuts

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why did you bring neuts into this

jagged heath
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That makes every TP suck and impossible to confirm

willow wharf
jagged heath
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They are already easy fake claims that are often mislynched really easily

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why make that 100x worse

willow wharf
barren sinew
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nvm

jagged heath
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You're tripping

barren sinew
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i should have worded that differently

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It's 100% fine for things to not be 100% confirmable. We have TI and social reads for a reason.

polar rapids
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some people just want to make the game less fun

slender glacier
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Me when I role cleric and save the Marshal (I am not confirmed and got lynched at the tribunal)

barren sinew
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TOS is an SDG without the S

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We need to add back the S

willow wharf
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no theres social deduction

polar rapids
barren sinew
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When would you ever rely on social deduction outside of having no other option

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and there are always other options in TOS

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I doubt 90% of the community could succesfully scumread to save their lives

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I sure as hell couldnt

willow wharf
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ive scumread a lot

slender glacier
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It entirely gane state dependent but I’ve been clowned on before

barren sinew
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TOS is purely mechanical deduction outside of very niche situations

willow wharf
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managed to nuke coven singehandedly because they were whispering someone too much and i shot that person

slender glacier
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And clowned on other before

willow wharf
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and it turned out to be pariah

chrome spruce
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If you're someone who can't do the social part of a sdg that's not tos2's fault

barren sinew
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you're smoking some heavy copium if you think TOS is social in the slightest

polar rapids
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agreed

willow wharf
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yeah tos has been my only exposure to sdg

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and im pretty good at scumreading

barren sinew
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play a single game of forum mafia or even something like FOL

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and you'll realize TOS is not a social game

chrome spruce
polar rapids
jagged heath
barren sinew
jagged heath
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If the game is popular for being the way is

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why the hell would we change it

barren sinew
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TOS is nowhere near the most popular SDG

idle sinew
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but it's still popular, isn't it??

willow wharf
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curt didnt say that?

jagged heath
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When did I ever say that

willow wharf
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he said its popular

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because it is

jagged heath
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Idk any other live service SDG that has lasted almost 10 years

slender glacier
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Ok as someone who has played other SDGs and ToS both ToS is far more fun because I can act on the information I deduct through social interactions and not just be a rock who can’t get anyone to listen to him

jagged heath
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TOS has, and its kept it's style the whole way

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even if its power crept recently which BMG have said they are going to try dial back on

chrome spruce
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Similar to among us
There are social cues and evidence cues

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That's a sdg

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Tos2 falls right into that too

polar rapids
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please do not bring up among us

barren sinew
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Among us is barely an SDG

chrome spruce
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shut up

idle sinew
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i will now bring up among us /j

barren sinew
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Let me check steam stats one sec

polar rapids
chrome spruce
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"epitome of sdg is barely an sdg"

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okay you're on some drug bro

willow wharf
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amongus is very much an sdg

idle sinew
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is bloxton mystery an SDG?

chrome spruce
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bloxton mystery is a joke

polar rapids
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yeah

willow wharf
polar rapids
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Bloxston Mystery is technically an SDG but not a good one

barren sinew
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since when has among us been the epitome of an SDG

torn breach
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whenever you visit someone you physically enter their house and move in it

willow wharf
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apparently its got invincible defense retri

idle sinew
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just

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unkillable when using ability

barren sinew
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Its literally not even a debate the epitome of social deduction games is mafia

willow wharf
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so invincible defense

chrome spruce
polar rapids
torn breach
barren sinew
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among us is a party game

chrome spruce
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What's TOS based on

willow wharf
idle sinew
barren sinew
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TOS is based on mafia

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what does that have to do with anything

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so is basicalyl every other SDG

chrome spruce
polar rapids
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"let's all play that popular party game among us" -said noone ever

willow wharf
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also amogus is very much an sdg and a really good one

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ive seen it play out on twitch streams

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shits good

barren sinew
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Among Us, at high levels of play, has a large social component

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nobody is saying it doesnt

chrome spruce
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The inability to comprehend something does not make it untrue

idle sinew
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ngl it's kinda crazy that among us had major mods before tos

chilly hull
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amongus

polar rapids
idle sinew
willow wharf
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but i am in love with the vanilla amogus

torn breach
chilly hull
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modded amongus

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fun

willow wharf
chilly hull
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jester is sofun

idle sinew
torn breach
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but still

idle sinew
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if disabled jester kills one person when killed

barren sinew
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am I tripping or has steam changed where they keep gameplay stats

willow wharf
polar rapids
willow wharf
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im still shocked that cs/vamp isnt the only unique neutral in tos2

chilly hull
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whuh

torn breach
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what do you mean by that?

chilly hull
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cs and vamp are not unique ?

willow wharf
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i mean that all nes and nks should be unique

willow wharf
barren sinew
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NEs should exist

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shoulkdnt*

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shouldnt*

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fuck me

willow wharf
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yeah yeah

chilly hull
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oh right you worded that in like reverse

willow wharf
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anyways

torn breach
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implying that they're unique

barren sinew
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where the fuck do you find steam player charts for games

willow wharf
barren sinew
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i could have sworn it was on the store page

willow wharf
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meant to say nonunique

torn breach
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i used to check how many people played TiS using it

chilly hull
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There's online sites to see steam player charts ?

polar rapids
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Nunny have you been living under a rock????

torn breach
willow wharf
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mate all the skin on my left middle finger is gone

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hurts like hell

jagged heath
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It is basically mafia but with the task system

willow wharf
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and moving

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that is what normal mafia lacks

jagged heath
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If Among Us isn't SDG to you, and TOS2 isn't wtf is

willow wharf
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actually movement

jagged heath
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yes, but that is mafia

willow wharf
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theres more to read

jagged heath
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this is a genre

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this is not 1 game

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mafia is not the only SDG game

willow wharf
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i mean mafia the game

barren sinew
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no but its the most prominent one

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TOS isnt a social deduction game based solely on the fact that you can play and win without using any social skills

polar rapids
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said noone ever

barren sinew
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said me

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just then

polar rapids
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nuh uh

willow wharf
idle sinew
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NUH UH- best argument

tough merlin
chilly hull
barren sinew
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ok obviously ignoring luck

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but because of how TOS works

willow wharf
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sure theres so much of the game that can near invalidate the need for social reading

chilly hull
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Well then you do need social skills to win

barren sinew
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99% of the time it is a logic puzzle

bitter stirrup
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also like, mafia isn’t a social deduction game if you don’t talk or move at all during the game

barren sinew
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instead of a social puzzle

willow wharf
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but finding the evils as ti requires scumreadijg

willow wharf
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a lot of logic

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but social exists

chilly hull
tough merlin
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me trying to logic puzzle my way into guessing who the TT is (I have no clue I suck at TT)

barren sinew
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TT is a time when the game is truely an SDG

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you have no mechanical way to confirm anything

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there's always uncertainty

chilly hull
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All base 3 scripts in BOTC can be seen as logic puzzles as well but it's up to evils to pollute the info good has

polar rapids
slender glacier
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Halo isint a first person shooter because I can beat it without shooting a single bullet

barren sinew
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nothing is certain though because of the ST

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and because of droisoning

willow wharf
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i need more tt modifiers

barren sinew
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SNV is the closest to a logic puzzle of the three but it still requires social reading

polar rapids
foggy wraith
tough merlin
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TF2 is social deduction game cus I gotta analyze every player in order to figure out if they're a spy or not

barren sinew
chilly hull
barren sinew
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fucking love that show

willow wharf
polar rapids
barren sinew
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#sixseasonsandamovie

willow wharf
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i need more

barren sinew
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(the movie is coming)

willow wharf
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i want more

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i want traitors requiem to have no town aligned when im done with it

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its already a 9v6

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lets get that to 0v15

barren sinew
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back to the argument

idle sinew
chilly hull
barren sinew
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I have almost zero social skills both IRL and online, and im able to consistantly succeed in TOS based on logic alone

willow wharf
chilly hull
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cringe

willow wharf
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traitors requiem is my strawman

barren sinew
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and back to the entire popular thing

polar rapids
willow wharf
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its where i sentence people who want chaos for the sake of it

barren sinew
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what happened on jan 15th

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was there some big TOS event or smth

chilly hull
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marshal

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and socialite

barren sinew
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there was a massive player spike

chilly hull
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they were both added

willow wharf
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marshal and socialite

barren sinew
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ah

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that explains it

willow wharf
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people were hyped cuz btos

barren sinew
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an about 700-ish average to 1100

willow wharf
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and also a pros buff

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and some nerfs

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abd then shit got bad

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people saw how bad the roles were

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and that marshal was too unstable

chilly hull
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I mean Socialite

slender glacier
willow wharf
barren sinew
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the difference to the 14th 485 players

willow wharf
bitter stirrup
willow wharf
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they have seperate tags for marshal and socialite

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because how bad they were

barren sinew
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no i mean the day before to the day of

chilly hull
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Marshal is so much worse in vanilla bc evils dont have tools against it

willow wharf
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there were that many reworks, complaints, bugs

barren sinew
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it took 4 days for the player count to go back to average after the 15th

chilly hull
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And no Common Town so you can regularly get 5 tpow in average games

barren sinew
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but now the game is sitting at a 700ish average

willow wharf
mortal yacht
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was my point refuted

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i dont know

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but

barren sinew
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with a peak of 3755

chilly hull
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you tell em tuba

slender glacier
tough merlin
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tbf vanilla just became a "do your cool day ability asap and pray to win"

barren sinew
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we went very off-topic

mortal yacht
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it is throwing if you make someone tpow after a tpow dies

barren sinew
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I agree with your point wholesale

mortal yacht
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so this idea doesnt work

willow wharf
chilly hull
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oh yeah I forgot what this post was about lmfao

willow wharf
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unless its tt or your rec

mortal yacht
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i mean

chilly hull
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We are talking about anything but that

mortal yacht
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im lenient with rules etc

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idc

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just

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i had a point

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wanted to be sure

barren sinew
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a role only useful in TT/jackal means its bad

bitter stirrup
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that’s actually so true

tough merlin
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imagine in a CS game you just get dw as town and start farming tpows

bitter stirrup
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dreamweaver can hard throw

mortal yacht
chilly hull
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I think this prob isnt being added anyway right? At least, not as is

mortal yacht
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tpow dies n1

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you make someone tpow

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with ur ability

barren sinew
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fucker meant your recruit

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you turn your rec into a TPow

mortal yacht
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yueah

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thats like

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a very rare case

barren sinew
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yeah

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which is what im saying

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if a role is only useful in very niche situations

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its bad

chilly hull
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I'm mainly worried about it just being annoying to play against and unfun

barren sinew
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this isnt BOTC where many characters are situational but the ST lines the game up so nobody is useless

slender glacier
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With the power of flex tape I turned a Bodyguard into a Monarch

barren sinew
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this is an interesting take on the vanillaizer concept though

tough merlin
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me omw to make the knighted coroner into an imortal 2 vote town

bitter stirrup
bitter stirrup
barren sinew
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oh definitely

bitter stirrup
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wolflord was really good at role promotion and conversion

barren sinew
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preacher is great but often underutilized

chilly hull
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preacher from botc ?

barren sinew
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im probably the only preacher apologist though

chilly hull
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Does preacher remove minion abilities forever

barren sinew
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until preacher is dead

chilly hull
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I do not get that

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Why that's fun

barren sinew
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it has too many bad interactions with too many characters to be good htough

chilly hull
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Against loud minions isn't that just

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OP

bitter stirrup
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there’s one in wolflord that functions similar

barren sinew
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there's a reason its jinxed with vizier and OG

bitter stirrup
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Draketamer - if you visit a wolf, convert the wolf into a werewolf (no abilities, vote to kill someone at night)

chilly hull
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That's Vizier's fault

barren sinew
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but its still bad with others like psycho

chilly hull
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Vizier should just be Panopticon smh

novel oak
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I think I'm fine with this if it were to become a coven special role

barren sinew
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an interesting play on the concept that I hosted in a homebrew was this one
Shikri (Townsfolk)
A Minion and the evil team don't learn each other until you lose your ability. Each night, choose a player: If the player is the affected minion, they choose a player: if they do not choose you, they lose their ability permanently.

willow wharf
bitter stirrup
barren sinew
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sometimes we want chaos for chaos's sake

chilly hull
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egregious roles are fine sometimes

bitter stirrup
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like what are you saving it for

willow wharf
chilly hull
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in tos its difficult to make it bc it doesnt have the script system where you can make shit work as easily

barren sinew
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there's a reason ppl love CS

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its chaos for chaos's sake

bitter stirrup
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dreamweaver - coven special

die n2 and everyone goes insane but bc yuoh died it’s lifted

barren sinew
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thats fun in TAA

willow wharf
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and neutral special im fine with outside of vamps and pirate

chilly hull
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Being fully fr

barren sinew
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now if CS was in a balanced mode, id start having issues

chilly hull
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The people who still play the mod play for chaos

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The people who play tos play for chaos

bitter stirrup
tough merlin
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dw rework but as a town role would actually work fr

chilly hull
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people do play ranked still but like

willow wharf
bitter stirrup
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ss got removed even after the name change

barren sinew
chilly hull
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How many people here who are so deadset on rebalancing the game actually regularly play it

barren sinew
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me

tough merlin
chilly hull
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that's 1

bitter stirrup
barren sinew
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what stats

bitter stirrup
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rn rn rn ongfr

cold hamletBOT
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Wevit

  • Wins: 83
  • Losses: 117
novel oak
barren sinew
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no when I play ranked I mostly play vanilla ranked

chilly hull
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do it do /stats

willow wharf
barren sinew
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not linked

willow wharf
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no apoc

chilly hull
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try it

barren sinew
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actually

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eh

chilly hull
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faaake fake fan smh

willow wharf
bitter stirrup
weak gate
barren sinew
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TAA is fun yes

foggy wraith
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but also i dont care as much about wholesale game rebalance

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when I can just

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make my own setup

tough merlin
chilly hull
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yea

bitter stirrup
foggy wraith
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perks of being a setup designer

bitter stirrup
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when i get custom++ i’m happy

chilly hull
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I dont think I have played a game of modded since they started recording stats

weak gate
bitter stirrup
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bc with custom++ i can set up anything

chilly hull
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I played so much the first week then got addicted to botc

cold hamletBOT
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SaraRichardson

  • Wins: 56
  • Losses: 67
foggy wraith
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i play... enough

chilly hull
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wowza !

tough merlin
chilly hull
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I think my stats are geniunely 0 wins 0 losses

barren sinew
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botc is much better

cold hamletBOT
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Nuggy

  • Wins: 0
  • Losses: 0
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FakeTier

  • Wins: 42
  • Losses: 74
chilly hull
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lmfaoooooooooo

bitter stirrup
willow wharf
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NOOOO

barren sinew
willow wharf
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MY 69 LOSSES

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THEYRE GONE

chilly hull
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cry's

weak gate
foggy wraith
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it also

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wasn't

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ever advertised

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no one knew it existed

tough merlin
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yep

barren sinew
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there isnt though

chilly hull
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guyhs lets put the script system in tos

tough merlin
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it not being f2p at first also inclined quite the ammount of people to not get it

foggy wraith
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I actually think rolemadness amogus would be excellent for player retention if it ever got advertised

chilly hull
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tru

foggy wraith
bitter stirrup
tough merlin
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I remember some dude got pissy we (beta testers) wouldn't get the game for free lmao

barren sinew
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for me, TAA is basically "hey im going to cool down with some mindless chaos"
balanced modes are "hey I want to play a good game and have fun, win or lose"

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TAA is shit to lose because like 80% of the time your losses are due to shit luck

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in my ideal game, swing would be as minimized as possible so that you can point out what you did/didnt do that made you win/lose

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its all outplaying the opponent

willow wharf
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numget

chilly hull
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banned

barren sinew
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numget

bitter stirrup
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that’s banned lmao

chilly hull
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I can't decide what's on the block list btw it's literally 100% out of my control

willow wharf
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please fix automod

chilly hull
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I can't do shit about it lmfao

willow wharf
barren sinew
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taa is fun to lose

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cause the way you lose

foggy wraith
weak gate
willow wharf
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WHO CHANGED MY NAME

polar rapids
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what has this thread became?

willow wharf
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NUMGET WHY

chilly hull
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The only thing I can do is ban you for it LOL

barren sinew
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bat shit is blocked

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for whatever reason

idle sinew
tough merlin
bitter stirrup
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RN

chilly hull
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WOAH WTF

weak gate
idle sinew
weak gate
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Just talking about random stuff now

bitter stirrup
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i’ll paypal you 50c (aud tho)

idle sinew
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that's bullshit

polar rapids
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we need curbis to close this thread

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PLEASE CURBIS

chilly hull
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I JUST DISCOVERED SOME LIKE ENTIRE ASS MATRIX MENU OF EVERYTHING SOMEONE HAS EVER DONE ON THE SERVER

barren sinew
bitter stirrup
barren sinew
chilly hull
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HYPER I CAN SEE EVERY TIME YOU HAVE EVER BEEN BLOCKED BY THE SYSTEM LMFAO

idle sinew
polar rapids
chilly hull
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No idk what the fuck this is

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Oh yeah it is mod view !

bitter stirrup
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screenshots or you’re fake rn

willow wharf
polar rapids
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yeah screenshot it

willow wharf
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i wanna see it

polar rapids
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ss it

chilly hull
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Well idk if I want to bc like this has Hyper's shit on it so

barren sinew
bitter stirrup
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secret sorceries it?

barren sinew
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DM it to me nuggy

chilly hull
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Actually it's not that bad but

tough merlin
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give us mod so we can check it better fr

willow wharf
barren sinew
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it'll probably be fine to send

idle sinew
foggy wraith
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it's just properly mitigated for the most part

idle sinew
chilly hull
barren sinew
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im a scumbag (real)

foggy wraith
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you cannot argue that the investigator being poisoned n1 isn't swing, or the FT just randomly dying n2 compared to a washerwoman

but good can come back from this

willow wharf
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activate windows

chilly hull
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ooooooh hyper u got timed out for one minute

barren sinew
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ouch

polar rapids
barren sinew
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dont need to bring it back up

polar rapids
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(please)

foggy wraith
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in tos2? if your jailor gets sniped n1 thats so so bad for town

idle sinew
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nunny doesn't have windows activated

willow wharf
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same

idle sinew
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smh what a pirate

willow wharf
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i wanna see mine

barren sinew
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and rolelist swing is completely negated

bitter stirrup
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you can do jt fkr free

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why tho

barren sinew
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an FT or empath dying n2 is signifigantly less harmful to good than a jailor or monarch dying n2

foggy wraith
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yes, thus properly mitigated

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but it's still there

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and well, the more advanced scripts have higher swing factors

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snake charmer, anyone?

polar rapids
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what the fuck are you talking about

foggy wraith
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i dont think I need to explain swing again

chilly hull
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swings weee

foggy wraith
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snekky boi go brrrr

willow wharf
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holy fuck i forgot that automod thinks im a spammer cuz fhe cult thread

foggy wraith
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nuggy
should I suggest snake charmer

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it would be such a good idea

chilly hull
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LOL

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it would totally work in tos

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100%

foggy wraith
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it actually does

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thats the worst part

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it WORKS
it's just... it's snake charmer LMAO

barren sinew
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ive actually been cooking up an Atheist chaos modifier

polar rapids
barren sinew
foggy wraith
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town special snake charmer lets go

barren sinew
#

how tf would you implement that without it being shit

foggy wraith
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make it only work on the necronomicon holder (real)

chilly hull
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yh but coven has night chat and knows their own faction

foggy wraith
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i mean
so do evil

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just no nightchat

chilly hull
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but coven like, actively knows them ?

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you'd know as soon as it happened no

foggy wraith
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I think its fine if the former snake charmer invades nightchat 😭

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wait

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new snake charmer

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brain

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plz

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coven are already gonna tank from the swap

barren sinew
foggy wraith
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thinking about going full shitpost and adding frame interactions

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or nah

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probably no

chilly hull
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I love suggestion botc roles that will be terrible

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I have done two in the past 24 hours

bitter stirrup
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i don’t think i understand snitch enough, but looking on it now, is botc only town vs evil faction?

foggy wraith
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yes

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and every role is unique

bitter stirrup
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okay

foggy wraith
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except 3

bitter stirrup
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that makes more sense

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yeah

chilly hull
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Bluffs, I think will still be useful in tos bc they give you opportunities for fake claims that would be rlly risky otherwise

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If you know there's not a particular tpow in play you can do some insane shit

bitter stirrup
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would roles like ritualist be banned from this list? like would it be vfa or something

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vfr*

chilly hull
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You know botc has nothing like Rit and yet vfr doesnt exist there

bitter stirrup
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i’ve never played </3 i don’t have enough experience to have solid ground to stand on

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but otherwise, evils don’t seem to get a lot of chance to utilise snitch because if they know cleric doesn’t exist, there are still other players who are TP that will cc you

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i’m guessing i’m seeing this as a modifier by itself

foggy wraith
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use it with individuality for the prime experience probably

bitter stirrup
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but i assume you’re using it in conjunction with secret killers, no role reveal, and all the dead modifiers

chilly hull
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Except walking dead

barren sinew
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#1222331383834476716

vivid coyote
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If I hear mechanical deduction one more time I will puke.

idle sinew
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what even is mechanical deduction

bitter stirrup
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i think because role does xyz, abc is the result/deduction

idle sinew
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ah ok

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ty

solar mauve
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it may have been said already on this thread and I have missed it but what if a non town gets mindwiped?

bitter stirrup
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wait what if your coven got mindwiped into jailor 👀

chilly hull
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When you mindwipe someone, if they are a townie their role will be converted to Amnesiac

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is what it sez

solar mauve
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whoops lol I can't read

polar rapids
chilly hull
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Idk if that means town aligned tho, or a town role

bitter stirrup
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town aligned i think

chilly hull
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would make sense

solar mauve
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would be really funny to have red amne tho

polar rapids
bitter stirrup
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town role just means cursed soul shenanigans

bitter stirrup
novel oak
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Don't worry, serial laughter is just a bit stupid

polar rapids
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nuh uh

runic marten
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Im not sure

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It’s quite spicy

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But idk if it works as a regular coven role

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Might be one of those “banished to coven special” things tbh

humble lance
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me turning tracker tt into tt marshal

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or jailor into investigator

bitter stirrup
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dreamweaver visits two players and swap their roles but not alignments 🔥

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so jester turns into jailor

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jailor turns into jester

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guys new unique mechanic

novel oak
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Mad hatter looking ass

bitter stirrup
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dreamweaver fire

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🔥

novel oak
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Honestly which wolflord role would fit the most in btos2

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Or rather, if you were forced to add a role to btos2 from wolflord, what would it be?

bitter stirrup
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if i could bring the entire conversion over from wolflord i’d do it in a flash

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they had the best conversion

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but one role?

bitter stirrup
novel oak
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It's very funny how there was an entire subalignment for town that all could become evil

novel oak
bitter stirrup
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the one that converted town into jesters

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or was it only neutrals

novel oak
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Only neutrals

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We already discussed this

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And also didn't you oppose turning compliant killers into usurper?

bitter stirrup
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yh but they’re different ideas

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usurper wins when all neutrals > compliant killers > usurper stand in for compliant

novel oak
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I guess?

sullen cedar
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players really do rather be dead than be amnesiac

humble lance
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its not being an amnesiac that sucks

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its from turning from a fun role to fucking bodyguard

polar rapids
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okay, first of all

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ew, gross

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and second of all

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I don't really like the idea of just attaching an ability to dw's current kit like they did for invest

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it'd kinda have the same issue where you have this barely functional ability with another kinda weak but also situationally useful ability tacked on

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except this would be an even worse case due to the limited charges and how nasty the ability is

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role conversion + if you nuke the tpow n1 you can only upgrade people

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this would be pretty funny to get a reroll on a tt though

jagged heath
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this is a rework, I said it in the title

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it is not a buff

polar rapids
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oh you removed dreamweaving entirely?

humble lance
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this rework removed that

polar rapids
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in which case, uh...

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ya no this still sucks

humble lance
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turning from jailor into bg isnt a great mechanic though

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rerolling tt would be hilarious tho

polar rapids
humble lance
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yeah

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i dont like that

polar rapids
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it's hardly even just the anti-fun factor of it and more how it just sucks

humble lance
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if the conjuring hits a mayor

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dw is cooked

polar rapids
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ya

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like you pick the jailor n1

humble lance
bitter stirrup
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dw turns players into cursed souls instead 🔥

polar rapids
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and in any other comp you'd be celebrating

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but with a dw you just

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groan

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then sit on your butt the entire game

humble lance
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you want to kill the coroner n1

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to clone them

polar rapids
humble lance
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if s town member could become a cs

polar rapids
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a 50/50 black and white ti that can get strong evil roles for the town?

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sounds like a deal to me

humble lance
#

fr

vivid coyote
polar rapids
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something this could probably do is create stronger fake claim potential

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like "I was a mayor but then I got swapped to amne and now I'm a sheriff" kinda deal

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but I don't think it'd be worth actually having the role be a thing

vivid coyote
lapis berry
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[I'm talking about the buckets, not gamemodes dedicated to certain NS roles like CS, Jack, Vamps.]

barren sinew
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This is better than normal DW

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But that’s not really a high bar

gray zealot
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society if people just said “no” and moved on:

lapis berry
willow wharf
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because thats called being constructive

narrow vault
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Curtis u should ban anyone who disliked and then ull have no dislikes 👍👍

humble lance
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thats not very democratic

autumn patrol
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make the new amnesiacs from mindwipe remember the NEXT town role to die, not previous ones

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so the 5 tpows in the graveyerd wont be recreated

idle sinew
hollow hound
barren sinew
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Ew politics

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I come to the internet to escape my irl problems

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Smh

polar rapids
cloud marsh
barren sinew