Farmer - Apocalypse (Famine Acolyte)

[sour ocean]

Abilities

Till - day ability
Prepare soil in front of a player’s house to grow crops. You will be seen visiting the player that night (like Coroner). You cannot till day one.

Plant - night ability
Plant something in an available plot. Available plots include any houses with tilled soil so long as that player is still alive. You have 3 options for planting. Plants are activated and destroyed when a player visits the house where it is located.

Cactus - Prevents any visitors from performing their night action.

Tobacco - Reveals the roles of all visitors.

Flytrap - Deals a basic attack to one visitor.

Transform

When you have two plants alive at the end of the night, you will transform into Famine. Players with active tilled soiled will received three bread.

I haven’t made a role in such a long time so please let me know what you think of it

[spare shadow]

This is an alternate acolytes suggestion, as such I am legally obligated to react with an equals sign.

[sour ocean]

What does this mean

[warped pendant]

no

[sour ocean]

why

[warped pendant]

it can kill

also alternate acolyte

[hardy venture]

ew killing famine acolyte

[burnt steeple]

baker but affect visitors instead of target

[spare shadow]

Yeah, maybe replace the Flytrap with something else

[burnt steeple]

Nah, Apocalypse NEEDS a way to kill

[spare shadow]

that's what berserker and bers's alts are for!

[burnt steeple]

it's not reliable that flytrap, and also if bers or bers acolyte dies early then they are pretty screwed

[fair barn]

then apoc can get 2 kpn

apoc issue moment

[burnt steeple]

the same can jinx do with someone else has the necromicon

[warped pendant]

thats a problem too

'[problem is fine because [other role] has [problem]'

no dude

theyre both problems

i keep hearing that fucking argument

[spare shadow]

also, apoc's supposed to be weaker early on and become stronger later in the game from what i can tell.

[fair barn]

Coven Marsh isn't a problem cause Town Marsh exists

yooooo

[warped pendant]

unfortunately that in of itself is bad

[fair barn]

making Coven Marsh rn

[warped pendant]

that is literally what they sound like and i hate it

[spare shadow]

dont

[warped pendant]

also #1216624065171689533

[burnt steeple]

coven mayor 🙂

[fair barn]

if I were to make it that's where it would go

[spare shadow]

botc vizier

[spare shadow]

it's not that i disagree with you, apoc as a whole is quite flawed after all, but can you elaborate?

[warped pendant]

it causes games to drag on

[burnt steeple]

Trust me

[warped pendant]

the very concept of this build up type role is also the fact they are unexpected

in a list where theyre guaranteed

they just die quick

[fair barn]

two apoc roles are basically 'hang them when they turn or you lose' unless it's like solo Baker in AA

[warped pendant]

the reason why apoc dominate aa

is cuz theyre not guaranteed

[burnt steeple]

yeah and like suprise famine/death/pestilence

[fair barn]

aa is unbalanced in itself though so that's whatever

[burnt steeple]

yea

[spare shadow]

should i call mystic here to get her to take a shot?

[warped pendant]

theres also s1 ranked

which had its issues with double ne swing

but apoc could easily dominate it

because they werent expected

[burnt steeple]

i know casual mode is made not to seperate lists, but can we like make a ranked gamemode by chance?

[warped pendant]

we did

nobody played it

[burnt steeple]

Oh wow

[fair barn]

Coven Ranked moment

[burnt steeple]

also the dtt tournament was kind of troll since it was dtt

[warped pendant]

i still blame synapse for my loss

had they not lost 3 games in a row

we wouldve won

[fair barn]

dtt tournament was great

[burnt steeple]

Synapse didn't play bad they just had the worst luck

[fair barn]

like Kat

[burnt steeple]

like the tps didn't went on them they were like 4 tp claims and synapse claimed tpow and they died

[warped pendant]

im meming

ik

[burnt steeple]

[warped pendant]

i heard bout it

[burnt steeple]

Also is there a pb or bers acolyte yet?

[spare shadow]

no i don't think so

[warped pendant]

only warlocks coming

and its gonna flop

[burnt steeple]

the bers one is gonna be named jugg (real)

[fair barn]

we'll see what happens with it

if it goes bad then there's no hope for future alternate acolytes tbh

[burnt steeple]

i hope they come

[warped pendant]

and ill be right

[fair barn]

well we'll see what happens

[burnt steeple]

will they like be in random apocalypse only or is it like Random Death or smth

[warped pendant]

seperated by alignment

apoc feeding

apoc plagues

[fair barn]

apoca might get split into alignments

[warped pendant]

apoc killing

apoc deception

[fair barn]

Soullsionist when

(real)

[spare shadow]

I am still legally obligated to remain neutral about the alternate acolyte idea.

[burnt steeple]

Apoc plagues should be Apoc Support or investigative

[fair barn]

what

[burnt steeple]

^

[warped pendant]

those were the subalignments in the suggestion

that started this hellhole

[burnt steeple]

oh wow

[fair barn]

you know it might end up like Teams

the idea everyone loved

[warped pendant]

AHEM

[fair barn]

but in practise it is ass

[warped pendant]

ive been a vocal hater since the start

[fair barn]

well we'll see if you're right again whenever Warlock is added

[burnt steeple]

Socialite rework when?

[warped pendant]

never

its staying deleted

[burnt steeple]

Dreamweaver getting removed when?

[warped pendant]

my bouncers gonna be moved to crus

[warped pendant]

they want hypno

for some ungodly reason

[fair barn]

yeah no one liked the ideas for changing it

[burnt steeple]

Survivor being added back when?

[fair barn]

when GA gets added

[warped pendant]

which is soona ccording to curt

[burnt steeple]

it would be nice, it would make a good cover if like say the Coven leader is jailed or the conjurer is pirated

[warped pendant]

the problem is pirate and jailor tho

and hypnos can easily be sussed out

[fair barn]

hold up really?

[warped pendant]

its obvious when it was hypno

[burnt steeple]

just don't visit 🙂

[fair barn]

You were roleblocked!
You were shot by a Veteran!

[warped pendant]

yeah curt has a bucket list of tos1 roles turned ns

[spare shadow]

uhhhhh

ok...???

[burnt steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/developer-code-buzz-lightyear-meme-7kt-gif-25051539

[fair barn]

huh

[warped pendant]

he posted it somewhere in mainchat

[burnt steeple]

Transporter as neutral special :))

[fair barn]

I think Amne would be cool to see as it's tos1 self

[burnt steeple]

also how would a pb acolyte work?

[fair barn]

it would either be a pb copy, a vanilla pb copy or it would be pb but worse

[burnt steeple]

yeah ok

[fair barn]

think I tried to make another pb before and it was one of those

[warped pendant]

man i just want nk amne

[fair barn]

amne killing people:

forgot their morals

[burnt steeple]

cursed souls: :C

[warped pendant]

cs is a faction

a weak ass one

and a sucky one too

[burnt steeple]

let's say it's TAA, have you ever seen more than 1 ?

[warped pendant]

its taa who gives a damn

[burnt steeple]

yeah LOL

[warped pendant]

whatever happens there isnt my problem

[burnt steeple]

ranked gamemode with no ws, taa or dtt :DD

[spare shadow]

CS is stupidly hard to win as but nobody cares because it's fun seeing town berserker i guess

[fair barn]

yes

people want town evils

and evil tpows

and blue vigi

[spare shadow]

seeing roles not in their usual faction is funny

[warped pendant]

cs rn exists as just a gimmick

[burnt steeple]

i still can't beleive that game i got town death and got courted same day 😦

[warped pendant]

i have a cs rework that lets them exist as a team

[burnt steeple]

Cs exists but not transporter :((

[spare shadow]

Cursed Souls exist to make everyone else's games more fun, at the expense of the Cursed Souls themselves.

[warped pendant]

trans is stupid

[fair barn]

transporter isn't needed

[warped pendant]

yeah

#1218162928604287026

[spare shadow]

Honestly, the Cursed Souls also have some amount of fun even if they basically never win lol

(source: i was CS once)

[burnt steeple]

merge cursed souls and vampires to transform people into your faction (real)

cultist mode

[warped pendant]

yeah but it gets infuriating that youre almost guaranteed to lose

[warped pendant]

nk vamp when

i really want nk vamp

[spare shadow]

that DOESN'T have conversion

gotta clarify that

[burnt steeple]

Vampire could work as a NK, they can bite someone and they would die the next day and will not know they were bitten and does powerful attacks?

[warped pendant]

no

[spare shadow]

nah, that seems weak

[warped pendant]

i mean like #1219614097390174318

[spare shadow]

i ended up becoming a tracker with my only teammate becoming prosecutor

it was fun even though we had no KP other than the prosecutor prosing someone twice

[fair barn]

I posted a suggestion similar to that in #1216624065171689533

[burnt steeple]

in ws i got cursed and me and my m8 got retri and cleric n1 :)how nice

[fair barn]

cs almost always ends with with 2 shitty roles in ws

[burnt steeple]

yeah LOL

apoc has a high winrate

[warped pendant]

i once got conj

and meteored the actual conj by accident

i was killing a tpow claim

[burnt steeple]

wtf

u mean

oh like town conj?

[fair barn]

They were killed by a Conjurer. Their role was Conjurer.

[spare shadow]

i assume he means he was CS, stole conj, and nuked the former conj

[burnt steeple]

ok

[warped pendant]

cs conj

[burnt steeple]

oh ok

[spare shadow]

anyway, i wonder how viable becoming town roles, choosing to blend in instead of trying hard to gain maj and mislynching, and waiting until you gain maj to take back the game would be. in the game i was in the prosecutor prosed townies, confirming themselves as CS-aligned.

[burnt steeple]

also what special messages should dreamweaver get?

[warped pendant]

none

it doesnt belong in coveb

[burnt steeple]

if you get like cs vigi or jailor then you will be cooking

[warped pendant]

we have enough coven roles

[burnt steeple]

i meant like as a hypno

[warped pendant]

hypno is bad

just make it nk or something

[spare shadow]

if dreamweaver's planned to become hypno, there should be a LOT. many ones that can actually be used to benefit your team instead of outting that there's a hypno.

[burnt steeple]

illusionist is "bad"

[spare shadow]

but yeah, hypno's generally just bad.

[spare shadow]

remove those quotation marks

[burnt steeple]

NO

[warped pendant]

illu is weak

its deception needs buffs

[burnt steeple]

Illusionist is clutch at some points

it should also make there target astral visit or something

that may or will be overpowered..

[fair barn]

I would much rather have other coven over Illusionist

[warped pendant]

no

[burnt steeple]

Enchanter is screwing over TIs just as much and can even forge

[warped pendant]

#1200824379945267401

[burnt steeple]

Illusionist and Medusa should merge :))

[warped pendant]

no

jesus chrisy

[burnt steeple]

forger and framer merged :))

also janitor was so much better in tos1 then in tos2

idk why

[fair barn]

framer was shit

forger was shit

[burnt steeple]

medusa is bad and illusionist is "shit"

[warped pendant]

forger was amazing

framer was mid

[spare shadow]

people just didn't know how to use forger

[warped pendant]

since frames sucked back in tos1

now theyre useful

[fair barn]

tbh I mainly remember Framer being shit

[warped pendant]

like we dont balance around bad play

[spare shadow]

that and they didn't have much time to create a will anyway

[burnt steeple]

in tos1 the mafioso always left n1

and the consort gets promoted

[fair barn]

maf issue

[burnt steeple]

like COME ON

[spare shadow]

i wonder... why did the consort always get promoted?

[burnt steeple]

consort could get so much value and they lose a member

[spare shadow]

why consort specifically?

[burnt steeple]

he's a babe

[spare shadow]

i do not mean lore

for what reason for the game's balance did consort always get promoted first?

[warped pendant]

its rng isnt it?

[burnt steeple]

Consort is like the 2nd best role in the mafia other then blackmailer and 3rd is gf and 4th is consig

also disguiser was way better then framer since it accuses the 2nd target

swaps results

[warped pendant]

disguiser was unreliable as hell

and hard confirmed a target as mafia in spy games

[burnt steeple]

framer was "unreliable"

[burnt steeple]

Depends

[warped pendant]

framer could fool sheriff

[spare shadow]

that... did not happen?

[burnt steeple]

if let's say it is ranked, and your team is Mafioso, GF, Blackmailer and disguiser

You can make the maf you disguised claim rbd and they may think it's a consort game.

with the visits

and blackmailer not visiting

[burnt steeple]

and investigator

investigator was unfun to play and unhealthy but still fun gimmick

[fair barn]

then blackmailer is useless aside from whisper reading

[burnt steeple]

if it gave random roles or such

[fair barn]

consig was cool

[warped pendant]

whisper reading is really useful

[fair barn]

and then they added pm

[burnt steeple]

blackmailer doesn't prevent voting and like they will know

[burnt steeple]

exactly

[fair barn]

true actually people don't know to keep quiet in whispers

[burnt steeple]

everyone whispers jailor "yo i am doc"

or smth

you get so much info

[fair barn]

"I'm mayor claiming bodyguard'

[burnt steeple]

LOL

and it was horrific if it was tt

jailor

no one plays btos2 rn

Also we need this in btos2

Admirer rework?

[warped pendant]

no

@visual birch a shot

[burnt steeple]

Add GA back 😦

[visual birch]

*takes a shot*

[spare shadow]

also dis

@visual birch another shot

[visual birch]

I’m glad I don’t drink alcohol, my god

Two in one thread!

[sour ocean]

I can see plants getting changed that’s fair

[spare shadow]

first things first, remove flytrap's basic attack

[warped pendant]

second things second, the pits of hell to this role

[spare shadow]

whoa, we're not just throwing it into the pits of hell, we're throwing the pits of hell at it?

[warped pendant]

yes

[brazen gazelle]

Recruited Queen Elizabeth Aka Shroud?

[brazen gazelle]

BOTCT player detected!!!!!

[brazen gazelle]

Apoc is like Arsonist. If written off a not possibly existing they will make you regret it.

[warped pendant]

yeah

[spare shadow]

indeed!!!

[spare shadow]

yes my pfp is a recruited shroud, don't get where you got queen elizabeth from tho

[sour ocean]

seems really difficult to do

[warped pendant]

well just like a portal to hell

sometimes it comes walking right up to you

[sour ocean]

death

[last root]

I kinda though this said Framer

[sour ocean]

yeah it looks similar

[trail grove]

(real)

[brazen gazelle]

The British monarch I mentioned is ded and shroud is a ghost. Well considering my name here off to fortify the suspected Jackal!

[spare shadow]

alright rec crus, guess i'll keep killing townies

[visual birch]

uh

should we be worried

[warped pendant]

yes

warlock will flop

it has to

[sour ocean]

but what if it doesn’t

[warped pendant]

its a terrible role and does not solve any of apocs issues

its literally just sc but slightly different

does nothing for the game

[last root]

Framer

[light musk]

Maybe replace Flytrap with something that gives Insomnia?

Having a role that just kills that isn't a War Acolyte is a bit broken

Wait no Till n1?

• Flytrap into coffee beans that gives Insomnia (basically killing but at least they can vote)

• ability to till d1

[sour ocean]

maybe

but also incredible thread necromancy

[sour ocean]

this aged like milk

[light musk]

Yeah this concept seemed like the better Famine Acolyte idea

Preventing Famine from turning d4 makes it much weaker regardless of new abilities, though

Unless if the new abilities are THAT disruptive, which these aren't

Anyways, back to my feedback:

• Coffee to give Insomnia to visitors to replace flytrap
• allow tilling d1

[sour ocean]

I think allowing tilling d1 is fair

Because otherwise it’s hard to get anywhere

And removing kill power makes sense too