#Disclosed Foes (Modifier)

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solar raven
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Disclosed Foes

  • All members of the town (good and evil) are aware of all evil roles in play.

i.e.,
The town has been made aware that there are the following roles in play:

Medusa
Witch
Voodoo Master
Baker
Soul Collector
Doomsayer
Auditor

ect...

Evil-aligned TOWN roles will not show up on this list. This means recruited town, town traitors, and the Egoist Townie are NOT listed as an evil.

VFR IS DUMB
off of the top of my head, the only downside is that a list with no confirmed Ritualist OR Doomsayer tends to become a VFR meta game, but you could opt to just confirm these roles in buckets you dont want VFR.

Why?
This is to allow for more oppressive (but with a larger variety) evil games while town is made aware of the roles in play, and prevents evils from fakeclaiming evils that don't exist to eachother and to town (i.e., claiming inquisitor to be voted off of the stand)

It also allows for balance for games with 5-6 evils aligned in a faction that can communicate freely with eachother, so town knows what they are working against, which given the right roledeck can be fun to mess around with.

delicate fulcrum
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Ah yes, time to tribunal all ret claims

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Because necro is confirmed

solar raven
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Then don't claim ret lol

delicate fulcrum
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Thats besides the point

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It limits what evils can claim effectively

solar raven
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i mean, a good pois, necro, baker, ww, pb won't claim what their town respective role is

delicate fulcrum
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If pois wants to fake tav? Sorry, pois is confirmed on rolelist

solar raven
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Because then it's a 1f1 between pois or tav

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like- why would you want to give town your info

delicate fulcrum
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Hang on

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Let me get this straight

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So

solar raven
delicate fulcrum
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Instead of confirm roles on the rolelist

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Reduce the point of RC and CC

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From where they COULD be anything

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To a confirmed role on the roleslot

solar raven
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I don't think you're thinking in terms of custom compatibility

delicate fulcrum
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It kinda limits evil fakeclaims and makes town roles shittier

solar raven
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you have to consider roledecks as well, rather than 'what if this was in a regular game of tos'

delicate fulcrum
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“He claimed tav, hes pois!”

solar raven
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what if someone is a real tav?

delicate fulcrum
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TS is gonna look sus after rit and doom is dead

solar raven
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then don't claim ts

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you can fakeclaim anything

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you don't have to be your town counterpart

delicate fulcrum
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Cant wait to be exed by jailor for being tav and forced to claim tk

solar raven
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i've claimed seer more times than i've claimed tav as a poisoner

solar raven
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im talking about evils

delicate fulcrum
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Please read what i say

solar raven
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???

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Ok

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This is what i get from the above text

solar raven
delicate fulcrum
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If i claim tav im gonna be sussed as pois

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If its conf

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If im tracker im gonna be sussed as ww

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Or pb

solar raven
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Okay, but then you could ALSO just not be pois and town has to consider that

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like- town knows that pois might just not claim tav too right

delicate fulcrum
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Not to spam repeat my arguments

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But for cases like pb

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They cant claim their reliable claims

solar raven
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ok but again, repeating my argument

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you are an evil giving the town info for free

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why are you doing that

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lie to them

delicate fulcrum
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So you look confirmed

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If you out ck as a LO or tracker, you will be a confirmed not coven

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And it limits what certain evil roles can claim based on the knowledge town gets

solar raven
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This isn't an argument made against the modifier now

delicate fulcrum
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Also if town is aware of death d1

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Its a lot shitter to play

solar raven
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this is debate about fakeclaiming

solar raven
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and the player as well

delicate fulcrum
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Death’s whole thing is being a surprise wincon, just like HM

solar raven
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I don't see why having revealed evil roles is a major upset

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paired with pandora's box (where there are more evils that can coordinate), town doesn't have much to counter that

delicate fulcrum
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The static rolelist for pandoras is like 4 max?

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I think?

solar raven
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I'm not sure about that

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you have a photo somewhere in the patreon chat

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and i'm sure it has more than 4 coven/apoc in a team

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and regardless, the compliant killers have no bounds

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so you can have 14 nk vs 1 coroner

delicate fulcrum
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If you go through the hassle

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Of adding 14 NK

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Against a coroner

solar raven
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coroner wins

delicate fulcrum
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True

solar raven
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im not joking

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check patreon chat

delicate fulcrum
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Coroner is secretly death

solar raven
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i think the message was 'correct'

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anyways

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Given the roledeck, this could be fun

delicate fulcrum
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You already know my stance, and i need to sleep tonight

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So uh goodnight

solar raven
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gn xx

fleet chasm
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This is stupid

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Let's remove the stealth aspect of being evil where any role is possible

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Can't even say oh I was enchanted when found susp by sheriff

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This completely reduces the impact of enchanter and illusionist, two roles to keep the TI from running rampant

copper nimbus
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it just makes it harder for evils to win

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and doesn't really make gameplay fun

rugged forge
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People dislike because they’re dumb

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This is a fucking modifier

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If you don’t like it don’t play the modifier

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Especially considering barely any modifiers hurt evils

copper nimbus
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mother fucker, just because it's a modifier doesn't mean i can't dislike it

rugged forge
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Not that it’s unbalanced

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Modifiers are inherently unbalanced without the right lists

copper nimbus
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i said it makes gameplay unfun

rugged forge
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Why because it’s harder for evils to win?

copper nimbus
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ALSO UNBALANCED IS A GOOD REASON YOU FUCK, YOU CAN STILL MAKE BALANCED LISTS WTH MOST OF THE FUCKING MODIFIERS

rugged forge
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Every time ppl dislike modifiers because they make the game harder

copper nimbus
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CTT makes the game harder, people don't hate it

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ghost town makes the game harder, people don't hate it

rugged forge
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Ghost town is abhorrently bad

copper nimbus
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i have never heard anyone complain about that modifier

fringe wadi
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People hate ghost town actually but not because "it makes the game harder"

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People hate ghost town because town can't ever lose maj

rugged forge
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This is a modifier that benefits town and requires skill

copper nimbus
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huh, i have never heard anyone complain about it

rugged forge
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Also it’s a good custom mod

fringe wadi
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Now to be clear I think this modifier would never fucking get used

rugged forge
copper nimbus
rugged forge
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Dislike it for good reasons

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Like idk if a modifier is pointless and already exists

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Or if it’s impossible to add

copper nimbus
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"dislike it for good reasons" that is a good reason you fucking asshole

rugged forge
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Or its an uncomplicated mess

copper nimbus
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it wouldn't be fun for the evil team

fringe wadi
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I mean personally I don't think this modifier is interesting
Like
At all

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I have no reason to want this on a list

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That's not something I can say for a lot of existing modifiers

rugged forge
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I think it would be better

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Because we wouldn’t have all the fucking wildings claiming lo

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It encourages outside the box claims

copper nimbus
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most modifiers don't make the game un-fun, this litterally has fucking no-counter plays

rugged forge
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Ex. Claim out of the box

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And be seen as more confirmed

copper nimbus
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HOW, IF IT REVEALS YOU HAVE A FUCKING RITUALIST

rugged forge
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Pm claiming tracker in a conf not wilding game

copper nimbus
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NO ONE IS GOING TO FUCKING REVEAL

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YOU CAN'T COUNTER-PLAY AGAINST THAT

rugged forge
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?

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HOW IS TOWN GOING TO WIN IN PANDORAS BOX WHEN EVILS HAVE 2 KPN

copper nimbus
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DON'T BRING IN PANDORA'S BOX

rugged forge
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why

copper nimbus
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THIS ISN'T ABOUT PANDORA'S BOX

rugged forge
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Its about modifiers

copper nimbus
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??????

rugged forge
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Every modifier appears to be unbalanced at first

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Without proper role lists

graceful relic
copper nimbus
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bro i am saying i don't like this because it's unfun and you have no counter play form getting all your roles revealed
your fucked if it reveals you have a conjurer/rit because then no one reveals, enchanter will make false info get spotted instantly
jinx would encourge everyone visiting 1 target to get the jinx out
wilding means that tracker and lookout claims are fucked
etc etc

graceful relic
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Anyways I’m chill with this as long as it doesn’t go into casual (like teams lol)

fringe wadi
copper nimbus
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but here is the thing about that, i want all modifiers to be in casual one day

fringe wadi
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This modifier removes that

copper nimbus
fringe wadi
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And makes it just "lol no"

copper nimbus
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perfect town is just way too fucking hard

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lol

rugged forge
graceful relic
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Perfect town is scary

rugged forge
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There need to be more evil sided modifiers

copper nimbus
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it breaks what a SDG game is

rugged forge
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This also could work in gamemodes with buckets

copper nimbus
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but i don't like this modifier

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and i am allowed to not like this fucking modifier

rugged forge
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Like if you have all cover support slots

graceful relic
solar raven
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just because someone disagrees with you don’t blow up in their face

delicate fulcrum
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im gonna be real, you kinda aggravated it

solar raven
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i wasn’t in the conversation for that

delicate fulcrum
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by you i mean daredevil

solar raven
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ohh okok

fleet chasm
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Tbf disliking modifiers because they are unbalanced is very valid

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Ghost town is a good example tbh

solar raven
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i figure we lock this thread anyways, it’s too controversial to give any substantial feedback anymore and i understand people aren’t 100% on knowing what evils exist

fleet chasm
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The main issue is that certain roles are a lot worse with this on

solar raven
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my main idea was the have it be close to majority (or give it to ppv2 lol)

solar raven
fleet chasm
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Mhm

solar raven
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but it makes certain ti so much more influential

fleet chasm
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Town is already too strong

solar raven
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put it in ppv3 and they’ll still lose

fleet chasm
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Tbf ppv2 was just unfair

delicate fulcrum
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ppv2 was 9v9 no n1 kill judge court

copper nimbus
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i got a little pissed off since he just kept going

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"nuh uh your invalid because i said so"

rugged forge
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That’s all that meant

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Especially on things that aren’t simple dislikes

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Like “ununique the modifier”

delicate fulcrum
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they all are kinda simple dislikes

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if you didnt think somethings gonna work, downvote it and leave

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instead of being forced to justify why

rugged forge
delicate fulcrum
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if theres a lot of dislikes to where people don't have to think about it

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you know

copper nimbus
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do you have any evidence

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of this

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and maybe they just didn't like the suggestion?

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your making shit-ton of base-less assumptions

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"silent dislikes are dumb"

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not everyone has to justify their choice