#Snitch (Modifier)

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spiral ingot
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Snitch

  • All members of each evil faction start the game knowing three town roles that are safe to claim.

The Snitch modifier allows Evils to have information on what is safe to claim. All members of each faction learn the same roles, but each faction might learn different roles. Only two of the given claims can be the same sub-alignment.

Examples:

  • It is the start of the game. The Necromancer and Medusa learn that there is no Cleric, Seer or Tavern Keeper.
  • The Serial killer learns that there is no Trapper, Lookout or Investigator. The two Werewolves both learn there is no Prosecutor, Lookout or Veteran.

In the rare case there is at least one of the majority of roles, a non-unique role may be given which has the least amount of players with that role.

spice flower
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This helps evils how?

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Like I get it's botc but bluffs exist because every role is unique in that game

spiral ingot
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It's not a massive help, but it does help

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It lets players take claims without always getting lynched because someone CCs the role

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It's mainly meant for NKs, who don't have as much info

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It also gives some info on what isn't in play so, yanno

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And lets NKs find each other if someone has the same claim

drowsy dust
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3 claims for roles that arent in the game.......
hmmmmmm

jolly rain
spiral ingot
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mhm

spice flower
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Also unlike in botc, people claim subalignments more than anything

drowsy dust
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Eventually with all these modifiers tos2 is just gonna become botc

jolly rain
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fr

spice flower
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Doesn't matter if the role your claiming is in the game or not, if your claiming a tp with 6 other tp claims, your gonna fucking die

spiral ingot
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oh yeah lovely vfa meta

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well this can be a solution to people's problems with VFR

spice flower
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How?

spiral ingot
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without relying on Rit and Doom

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People hate having to claim when they don't know what to claim

spice flower
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It's not even a vfa thing, it's looking at the rolelist

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Since unlike in botc, subalignments exist

spiral ingot
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yuh but the solutions to VFR like rit and doom are temporary and don't work everywhere

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Case in point ATT

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If this modifier was there I think people wouldn't worry as much

spice flower
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This absolutely isn't a vfr counter

spiral ingot
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No it isn't

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I never even said that

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I said it's a solution to people's problems with VFR

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wow okay thanks enter key

spice flower
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Not is it really helping you claim something

spiral ingot
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Okay but what is the problem with this modifier then

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Why is it bad to have it

spice flower
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Ok sure, this role isn't in the game, you could claim it, but your still gonna get fucked up from subalignments

spiral ingot
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I mean yeah but that's tos' list system

spice flower
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That's why this doesn't work in tos

spiral ingot
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I mean

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It still works

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It's not as effective as botc for obvious reasons but like

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It still works

spice flower
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You use this to see what isn't in the game and nothing else

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It's a pointless modifier

spiral ingot
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you're a pointless modifier

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gottem

spice flower
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A waste of time to code

spiral ingot
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You're a waste of time to code

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gottem

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Anyway ofc I'm just joking but like, if they think its a waste of time to make they just won't add it ez

spice flower
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Bluffs work in botc because 1. Every role bar some is unique, so it makes claiming harder, 2. There isn't subalignments, 3. If the demon dies, good wins, so of course the demon needs some roles to claim that won't fuck them over

spiral ingot
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yes correct

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anyway uh

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I mean there isn't rlly any reason to not have this other than "It's not as effective as botc" so

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There's not much point arguing about it xd

unreal notch
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Cant wait To be random coven Ritualist and know there is no deputy, trickster and veteran so the tk claims are NOT safe

young pier
spiral ingot
spiral ingot
young pier
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they have Rit, but they learn that every non-TI does not exist

remote ore
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Seems fun

dense zephyr
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Idk it could screw over other evils more than it helps evils screw over town. For example if Coven find out there is no tav. and the Baker is claiming tav, they will immediately know who to hang once Famine starts.

spice flower
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Very weird edge case though

rugged cloak
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It's not that close to the edge though

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It's definitely more likely to hinder other evils than to help them find a fakeclaim

rocky schooner
rugged cloak
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There CAN be multiple cleric claims in a game, it's suspicious but it's not so much so that giving evils a role you can freely claim is more positive than nothing

rocky schooner
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Skill issue

rugged cloak
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If all evils get the SAME roles to claim

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if an SK claims Invest (when the invest doesnt exist), then the coven know who's evil like 20x faster

rocky schooner
rugged cloak
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The only evils that would openly claim one of the roles absent from the list are Neutral Pariah

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because then ALL evils are aware of a NP

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which doesnt do what is intended by your modifier

rocky schooner
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Idk

rugged cloak
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The fix to this problem in my mind, is derrived from adding dual rolebuckets to BTOS

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it lets evils claim freely because you could be a dual rolebucket, common town, or random town now

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(also BTOS 1 can have TS/Mayor bucket which is true BTOS1 but not relevant)

rugged cloak
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But you have given me the inverse idea where all town know which evils exist, so i'll post that