#Golem (Neutral Special)

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jaunty marsh
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People meme about coroner being bad and they fake claim to get killed as it

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But unironically that's kind of a good thing for destroying metas like this

bronze storm
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see the standards for "decent" keep rising

jaunty marsh
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mhm

hidden patrol
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Power creep!

bronze storm
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every TP in base tos2 besides cleric can also kill

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thats so good

jaunty marsh
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we are in a spot with tos tho where u just can't nerf this stuf

bronze storm
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but

jaunty marsh
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People will complain

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they wont get it

hidden patrol
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yea

jaunty marsh
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So it just is the way it is, not necessarily bad

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But it's gonna have metas like that

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Because the roles are so strong by default

bronze storm
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its sad because I can definitely hyperfixate on the nuances of setup design

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but its gonna go over an average tos2 player's head

jaunty marsh
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You can 1f1, you can take hits to good team because you have so many other roles to replace them

hidden patrol
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imo what makes cleric a good TP should be its consitency. The crus rework I have on testing grounds trades consistency for utility.

gusty moon
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this is not a bad idea

jaunty marsh
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Even roles that in other games are strong, are expendable in tos

hidden patrol
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Think Village idiot from BOTC

bronze storm
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did you know

hidden patrol
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we have sheriff, seer, inv, etc

jaunty marsh
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Philo VI is strong as fuck

bronze storm
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the role sheriff is based on, alignment cop

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is considered

jaunty marsh
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And sheriff is just philo VI

bronze storm
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the strongest investigative role in mafia

jaunty marsh
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yyup

bronze storm
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and sheriff in this game is considered mid

hidden patrol
jaunty marsh
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Unless it's at least creating a 1f1

bronze storm
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binary evil checkers tend to be bad because there's no way to counter their results

hidden patrol
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yep

bronze storm
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but also if sheriff didnt have to deal with the necronomicon it would be a monster at getting uncontestable clears

hidden patrol
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Tracker is still my favorite TI(in terms of balence) albiet its a bit to hard to fake

bronze storm
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seer is what you get when you look at alignment cop and think that's not enough

jaunty marsh
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In tos

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Tracker is the most balanced TI

gusty moon
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yea

bronze storm
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in pure mafia role design

jaunty marsh
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Arguably anyway but yeah

bronze storm
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tracker would be considered a worse sheriff

jaunty marsh
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But in other games tracker would be b u s t e d

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In botc, in particular

gusty moon
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true.

hidden patrol
jaunty marsh
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It's a role that can create pitfalls

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Pitfalls where evil players just lose by pure chance really

bronze storm
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which I mean

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seamstress

hidden patrol
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yea lmao

bronze storm
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if it remains an every-night, it must resemble tol maid to be even close to balanced

jaunty marsh
hidden patrol
bronze storm
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yes

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but

odd nimbus
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although now people will hate seer because it does something once and then never again

bronze storm
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maid gets a false negative on 2 royal players

hidden patrol
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ah

odd nimbus
bronze storm
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no

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seer chooses 2 every night

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that is far faster

jaunty marsh
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curt said no to that because chaining is supposedly Seer's strongest trait

hidden patrol
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that is a nerf because you cant confirm half the town by n3

jaunty marsh
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Which is debatable but, uh yeah

bronze storm
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(it's not)

jaunty marsh
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I mean it's not wrrong that it's strong

bronze storm
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chaining makes you into just flat out an alignment cop

hidden patrol
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which makes you worse tbh

bronze storm
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that is why tol maid has false negatives

hidden patrol
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as now you are just a foolproof sheriff

bronze storm
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(also in tol, maid is vulnerable to the mastermind's detection immunity)

hidden patrol
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since for some reason seer bypasses detection immuity afaik

odd nimbus
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or do you mean 1 23 34

bronze storm
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latter

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where seer can go

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12 34 56

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x2 number of players checked

tardy silo
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jesus christ how did this get over 1000 messages

odd nimbus
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i’m talking about maid

odd nimbus
bronze storm
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but maid starts with a n0 check

tardy silo
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what are we talking about

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throne of lies?

bronze storm
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im comparing maid to seer

tardy silo
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ah

odd nimbus
bronze storm
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sorta????

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remember maid still has to use their previous night's check

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while seer can choose any pair

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so the seer can get information on more players in the same amount of time

odd nimbus
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1 12 23 34 ect

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seer meta in ranked is 12 23 34 ect unless you have more info

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that just delays seer by 1 night

bronze storm
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yeah
im saying that that meta nerfs seer

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doing 12 34 56 78 etc is better

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because you get much more info

hidden patrol
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ye

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so seer was kinda "buffed" in BOTS2 cause you cant chain anymore LMAO

bronze storm
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like seer still blatantly nukes games right now

hidden patrol
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that only becomes a downside once you add vamps

bronze storm
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hardly a downside when you can very easily parse 1f1s

jaunty marsh
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The good thing about seer

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Is that it is the most busted fake claim

odd nimbus
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i’d argue it’s better than current deer

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seer*

bronze storm
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omg nuggy

odd nimbus
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because then you can check dead players

bronze storm
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maid was memed on in tol

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for being claimed too often

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"Mastermaid"

jaunty marsh
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the funny thing is tho

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People trust seer claims

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Too much

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They will kill everyone you say is enemies before you

hidden patrol
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I just keep forgetting to claim it LMAO

jaunty marsh
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You can buy yourself way too much time with it

odd nimbus
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more so in btos because no one is executioner

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because evils still lose in a 2f1

vagrant badger
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inquis could work

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you get told the three Heretics as soon as you get the inquis win con SChappy

odd nimbus
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mfw i kill inquis and heretics are jailor mayor plaguebearer and then i instantly leave town

hexed cypress
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me when I get the inquis wincon then proceed to forget the entire gimmick of the role and attempt to kill one of my heretics

gusty moon
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fr

sour skiff
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I actually based my slime role based off this.

Slime - Neutral (Special)

Attack: None (digest is none)
Defense: None
Unique: False
Role color: #CFFF63

Abilities:

  • You may choose a player each night and attempt to Digest them.

Attributes:

  • Mimic the win condition, abilities, and attributes of the most recently digested player.
  • All players are notified at the beginning of the day which role a slime is now mimicking.

Digest: (♾️)

  • If your target dies, you will digest their remains.
  • The last will of your target becomes hidden; covered in slime.
  • The role of your target becomes hidden; [digested]

(The ability icons slime copies from digested players are gooey compared to the original.)

odd nimbus
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the only difference is win-condition vs entire role

sour skiff
bronze zenith
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They don’t

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They die immediately trust

odd nimbus
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I'd assume NS and some NE wincons aren't considered and the golem's wincon remains the same or reverts back to kill them all

lilac wing
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It’d be weird for golem to have exe wincon

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Wait

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That doesnt exist

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Uhhh

sour skiff
odd nimbus
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i mean you still won and killed someone

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it's still jester with extra steps lol

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it's 2 evils for free

sour skiff
odd nimbus
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i'd also add jester

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bc jester can be converted by vamps but not other nne

severe haven
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Hm I wonder what role is getting added next

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And totally won't be forced by the role icon artist

drowsy moss
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Infinite Goofy I like it

jaunty marsh
severe haven
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This role does have one massive flaw, if public kills are on, this is a auto confirmed role if it kills Town, now I personally think this is solved if you are forced to attack each night

jaunty marsh
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Well

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That’s why it hides the role of anyone it kills

odd nimbus
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it's stoned yeah

jaunty marsh
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Sure you can kill someone confirmed to confirm yourself

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But now you’re replacing someone who was arguably more useful since you can still swap alignments

odd nimbus
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^^^

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town turncoat

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and unless a sdg is tailormade to include town conversion roles (which are reporting goldmines) they tend to never work

severe haven
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Oh I forgot about the stones thing

warped blaze
odd nimbus
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uhh, paranormal investigator in onuw

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Brute (turns into werewolf if attacked by werewolf) from Wolflord

warped blaze
odd sand
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I just had to do it.

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jaunty marsh
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Swaaag

upbeat marsh
jaunty marsh
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Sure LUL

quaint karma
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I don't really know how to feel with this role tbh, basically you must hope the role you kill get his condition fullfilled the next day?

jaunty marsh
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Swiping a wincon like Jester is just good luck

quaint karma
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I see

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so basically you're a Serial Killer Cursed Soul?

lilac wing
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I mean

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Technically

jaunty marsh
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In a way I suppose xd

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It’s definitely messing with some meta stuff like CS

lilac wing
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If you steal jester its basically the luckiest you can get

jaunty marsh
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Mhm

quaint karma
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but everyone know you'll be jester golem if you kill one?

lilac wing
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If you steal inquis wincon, are the heretics the same

jaunty marsh
quaint karma
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oh yeah I forgot that part

jaunty marsh
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So they don’t know what your last kill was

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Yayaya dw

jaunty marsh
upbeat marsh
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i feel like it should just send you the inq heretics roles

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like inq

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and you need to hunt them

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...although that would change your wincon

lilac wing
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Hanging them doesn’t

jaunty marsh
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Idk if that aspect is coded into the inquisitor role itself tho

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Tbh it’s prob same for jester thinking about hit

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Oh weeellll

bronze storm
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Idk I don't know how this game is coded but that seems feasible

flat blade
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why is this a golem tho

odd sand
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no idea.

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but it has nice art

flat blade
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yes i like it a lot

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i actually love the golem theme

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tho im not sure if i like it, if you turn into a townie wincon, you can't kill coven because you will get the wincon of coven

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this role seems too easy to self-sabotage

odd sand
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well based off the art

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it implies to be a protect like role

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which doesnt really fit with the description

flat blade
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well, aren't golems supposed to be guardians?

odd sand
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yeah.

flat blade
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i would like the golem theme to be used for some kind of protective evil role...

odd sand
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tbh a NP that protects could be neat

flat blade
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indeed

ivory lodge
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gimme a sec to whip something like that up

odd sand
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obviously would need the role reveal thing like Judge and Auditor otherwise you might just be protecting a townie

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without knowing

flat blade
mint stag
bronze storm
mint stag
tardy silo
mint stag
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bleh

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there needs to be more np that don't just directly learn roles

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it's boring

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I like ss cause of the difficulty of having to figure out coven/apoc

odd sand
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ok the role learns the roles that attack

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(which would include town roles)

tardy silo
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what if it protects someone with a barrier and when that person is attacked you learn the name and role of attacker

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fuck

bronze zenith
tardy silo
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i had that typed but i lagged

ivory lodge
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Golem
Neutral Pariah
Attack: None
Defense: Ethereal
Abilities:
Protect an Evils home
Save a poor souls skin

Protect
Select up to 2 players and visit the first
You will learn your first targets role and alignment
If your first target is Evil Aligned, you will grant them Powerful Defense and make them appear as a Townie visiting your second target
You cannot Protect the same player twice

Get Down(1)(Day)
Usable only if someone other than you is on stand
Forces an Innocent verdict and reveals a Golem has forced it even if they were being innoed
Your target cannot be voted up for the rest of the day

Attributes:
You dont have to select 2 players to use your ability on your first targer
Selecting the same player twice will make them appear to visit nobody

ember bridge
bronze zenith
tardy silo
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tho it might be easier to code the end day

mint stag
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funk spotted

ivory lodge
tardy silo
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wait

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what if someone is pros'd is that cancellable by "get down"?

ivory lodge
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hm it would be broken with apox tho

ivory lodge
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idk

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maybe

tardy silo
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it'd defo be broken if theres a DEATH in play

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cuz then its basically a hex bomb

bronze zenith
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Dep shooting em:

hexed cypress
hexed cypress
bronze zenith
ember bridge
mint stag
jaunty marsh
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That’s why it has their win condition

jaunty marsh
flat blade
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tbh this just seems like kind of a weird NK to me

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if you change wincons you will always be self-sabotaging bc you will be losing people from your faction lmao

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and you can't help your faction in anyway since if you kill you turn into the other faction

jaunty marsh
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It is basically an NK

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That was its intent

jaunty marsh
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But yeah this was originally an NK but it became NS for obvious reasons lul

flat blade
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i will kill enemies first and then kill someone from your faction to win?

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it's really weird

jaunty marsh
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It gives you the ability to lie about your faction as wel

flat blade
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that's true

jaunty marsh
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It’s just Fanzazz rlly tho which is an unreleased botc demon

sour skiff
jaunty marsh
flat blade
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LMAO

jaunty marsh
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Well this was V1 of the icon, it literally had a V2 and a variation of V2

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And then it got scrapped LOL

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these were the others for the golem

zGolemIcon2.png ZeoliteIcon.png
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it had to protect... I think one or two players? And then it would turn into Zeolite and it had to like, basically starspawn isolate visitors I forget

flat blade
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ooooh

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that's really cool

odd sand
hexed cypress
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instead of blocking the laser beam, it's firing it

jaunty marsh
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Tbh I would prob make new icons if it were ever added

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Idk why I don’t rlly like reusing them for BTOS 2 xddd

flat blade
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now is when nuggy says he actually made it just recently and i have to hide myself forever out of shame

jaunty marsh
odd sand
cedar ledge
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this would be hilarious

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tryna keep track of whos who so you can take the most advantageous win con

hexed cypress
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and then accidentally be a part of the triple kill that happened on that faction that night and lose the game

jaunty marsh
bronze storm
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I like how this role has 41 upvotes

jaunty marsh
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I dont even fucking know how

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Play stupid games win stupid prizes

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In this case the stupid prize is 41 upvotes and I am both shocked but also happy

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Either way tho, I'd be shocked if this got added because being fr I think it might be one of those things that sounds easy on paper but is hell to code in reality

hidden patrol
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well if wincons can be changed easy-ish (vampire does it just fine) then maybe you could get away with it?

slim dagger
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I believe we would change the name of Golem's ability

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if added

bronze zenith
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YO CURTIS

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AYY

ivory lodge
slim dagger
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"You have decided to Smash (9)TubaAntics tonight." doesn't fit very well

bronze zenith
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Ayo 😳

ivory lodge
slim dagger
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Anyway I think golem is alright? Seems a bit overhyped

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I don't really wanna focus on many more conversion roles to be honest, especially with Enigma coming soon

ivory lodge
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i dont like shifting wincons

bronze zenith
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It has art = cool [real]

ivory lodge
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i hate conversion in general

ivory lodge
bronze zenith
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Ayo Enigma?

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LEAK

slim dagger
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crazy

bronze zenith
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SCREENSHOT

gusty moon
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LEAK

ivory lodge
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

wintry bough
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WHAT'S ENIGMA?!

hexed cypress
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my mind

bronze storm
severe haven
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I can't believe we got a name drop in the golem thread

pseudo pulsar
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Nunny makes roles as an excuse to draw cool art

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Based

slim dagger
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i think this art existed for the TOS1 golem role

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it was gonna be a surv replacement then we realised we didnt like surv anyway

bronze storm
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Yeah nuggy said its the tos1 golem art

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This role is an excuse to put Fanzazz the botc demon into tos2, however, which is a far nobler purpose

tardy silo
jaunty marsh
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I literally put it with the expectation that every single time someone played this role they would audibly go GOLEM SMASH RAAAH but due to technical issues you can’t force someone to say that irl

odd nimbus
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demolish

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ravage

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detonate

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stone

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hulk smash

ivory lodge
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hehe

severe haven
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I can't believe we've made it to smash or pass was irl people

odd nimbus
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golem should stone players at night i think this is a unique keyword

upbeat marsh
wintry bough
drowsy moss
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Change the attack to Rail sound much less explicit definitely 100%

flat blade
jaunty marsh
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Lata how could you

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I thought we were besties

jaunty marsh
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I know tos for sure gives a terrible taste of what it’s like

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But after playing botc like, you can do conversion right

ivory lodge
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i tried tol

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emphasis on tried

bronze storm
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To Be Fair maybe Fanzazz is not the best example of conversion

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Considering it's the evil VIP turning good

jaunty marsh
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Mfw I say “yeah botc is amazing, genuinely so well designed, I love Heretic especially”

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But even shit like Fang Gu

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Or politician

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Goon

bronze storm
jaunty marsh
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LUL

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Tbf

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Jackal is kinda like mole

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In its own specie way

bronze storm
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Jackal is bootleg Mole i just made actual mole

jaunty marsh
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Molezepheles

ivory lodge
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jackal is the only good conversion imo

bronze storm
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We have Mole at home
Mole at home: Jackal

jaunty marsh
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Fang Gu, Politican, Goon all work imo

bronze storm
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I mean for you specifically fucker

jaunty marsh
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They have a role which straight up makes someone evil and it works imo

bronze storm
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There's bounty hunter and kazali

jaunty marsh
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Yuh

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They would prob hate bounty Hunter and Kazali

bronze storm
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I feel like you'd hate bounty hunter because info

jaunty marsh
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I like BH

bronze storm
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But kazali could maybe fit in tos2

I guess?

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It'd be weird

jaunty marsh
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Hmmm

bronze storm
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But it could technically work

jaunty marsh
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True

ivory lodge
jaunty marsh
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Well Kazali would prob get compared to jackal again

bronze storm
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It's a town player pretending to be a Minion

ivory lodge
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...

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oh come on

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thats so boring

bronze storm
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Bounty hunter and kazali is what I said

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Bounty Hunter gets the best info in the game

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But as a cost

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It makes a Townsfolk start converted

jaunty marsh
# ivory lodge thats so boring

No mole straight up is almost entirely an evil player, the only difference is they win with good

And also if the demon guesses them good loses instantly

ivory lodge
ivory lodge
jaunty marsh
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Bounty Hunter learns a player D1. When that player dies, it learns another and so on and so forth

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The trade off is a player starts evil yayaya

ivory lodge
jaunty marsh
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So the thing about botc roles

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Is you can build scripts around them to make literally all of them work

ivory lodge
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script?

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like a list?

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idk man

jaunty marsh
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Basically yeah

ivory lodge
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vamps dont seem to work in any list

jaunty marsh
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That’s role design

ivory lodge
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so i doubt conversion can work at all

bronze storm
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Clocktower doesn't have a true vampire role anyway so shrug

jaunty marsh
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Yeah

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Vamps are awful

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That’s why

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They are a terrible taste of conversion

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Mezepheles is a conversion role, it’s a minion

ivory lodge
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unfortunately every taste of conversion i get is terrible

jaunty marsh
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It starts knowing a phrase and the first player to say it turns evil

bronze storm
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Mezepheles you have to be willing to be converted

ivory lodge
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vampires, black wolf, yadda yadda

bronze storm
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They offer someone a word

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The person can choose to say it or not

jaunty marsh
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Mezepheles you can trick them in some cases

bronze storm
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Usually you can't

jaunty marsh
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It depends if ST makes the word like unbecomingst or not LUL

bronze storm
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I did accidentally trick someone into saying it once

...as Investigator

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Not my proudest moment

jaunty marsh
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Does the ST make the word:

Cya
or
Bingazoingus

bronze storm
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Bingazoingus

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Thanks for the mez word

jaunty marsh
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😄

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I think Fang Gu is a good example of conversion as well

primal island
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good work nunny

bronze storm
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Fang Gu moment
I think as intended yeah its fineeeeeee

Pit-Hag coming in and yeeting the dynamic is goofy

sour skiff
ivory lodge
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exactly

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i even took away vamps conversion because i hate it that much

jaunty marsh
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Also with vamps

  • any progress you made before is now actively working against you
  • you can get converted as vamps are already losing.
  • the roles are boring as fuck to play
  • if you get converted as a strong role you now have a terrible thing to have to claim
bronze storm
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In clocktower if you get converted

You either got converted by bohu or mez so you're literally a town Traitor

You converted yourself

Or you got converted by Fang Gu and that means you have a perfect fake claim

jaunty marsh
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Botc on the other hand

  • is entirely designed so the game can change tides at any point.
  • all the roles are still fun to play, and because the game is already ripe with deception there is a lot you can do
  • every role is claimable
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If a fang Gu jumps to you, well, you are now the demon so progress you made to dismantle the evil team actually gives you credibility

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Unlike vamps where killing teammates pushes you away from majority

ivory lodge
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someone once told me the cult acts like botc demon guys

bronze storm
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Sorta
If the acolyte was the demon

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Evil in clocktower is (usually) a demon and 1-3 Minions

ivory lodge
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yeah so... what if i tried to make a converting type

jaunty marsh
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The thing is with tos

ivory lodge
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but i cant because id need 3 other roles to equal the scales

jaunty marsh
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Majority being a thing makes good conversion difficult

ivory lodge
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its to transform the acolyte and keep them alive

jaunty marsh
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In that case it very well could work

ivory lodge
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once the horseman erupts the underlings are basically deadweights

jaunty marsh
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In botc the demon will often sacrifice their minions to lee themselves alive

ivory lodge
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lmfao i definitely did make the botc evils

jaunty marsh
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Since demo surviving is really all that matters, with a few exceptions of minions who work as backup if the demon dies

ivory lodge
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WAIT THAT MEANS I CAN MAKE A BOTC LIST FOR WORST

bronze storm
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Lmao

jaunty marsh
bronze storm
jaunty marsh
ivory lodge
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id need a modifier to disable acolyte voting

jaunty marsh
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But then mastermind is on a script wit no other killers SadgeBitch

bronze storm
ivory lodge
bronze storm
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Quite well

jaunty marsh
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Lmfaooooo

bronze storm
# ivory lodge AK?

Okay for context
Mastermind keeps the game going for 1 more day after the Demon is executed

If they manage to get a good player executed on that extra day, evil wins

jaunty marsh
# ivory lodge AK?

Possibly, Mastermind is a minion that makes it so when the demon dies, instead of the game ending they play for another day, and whoever is executed has their team lose

Provlem is if it’s obvious the demon is dead bc of no kills, they just don’t execute

bronze storm
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Yeah the Mastermind gets thwarted if no execution

ivory lodge
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ah

jaunty marsh
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In its home script BMR that isn’t a problem, because the entire script is around dying and protecting so there’s a million other reasons things went that way

ivory lodge
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ninja can kill very easily

bronze storm
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This is why it is on Bad Moon Rising, a script where both sides can cause death independent of the Demon

ivory lodge
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so can priest

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outlaw is a daykill

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so itd have to be banned

bronze storm
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Outlaw would be fine

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MM only looks at the execution

ivory lodge
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no night kills tho

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wait the acolyte doesnt kill anyways

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its the minions/underlings who kill

jaunty marsh
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Can work then xp

bronze storm
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Oh so the Mastermind would just kill lmao

jaunty marsh
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You should definitely add psychopath

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It would work so well

bronze storm
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💀

ivory lodge
bronze storm
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Fucker when seeing roshambo be used as an actually decent game mechanic

ivory lodge
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Mastermind is clearly Apocalypse Chaos

jaunty marsh
ivory lodge
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what the fuck

jaunty marsh
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LMFAO

bronze storm
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It works surprisingly well

ivory lodge
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how

bronze storm
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Remember town doesn't need to kill the Psychopath to win

jaunty marsh
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Mhm

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Outted evils can be very bad for the evil team

bronze storm
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The Psychopath is giving away a lot of info to do this

jaunty marsh
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Because if town knows you’re a minion

brisk jewel
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did they actually get pirate to work

jaunty marsh
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Demon can’t sacrifice you

bronze storm
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Yes

jaunty marsh
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Yuh LOL

bronze storm
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Psychopath

brisk jewel
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what the fuck

ivory lodge
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my words exactly

jaunty marsh
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Well it ain’t pirate but it’s a rock paper scissors role in an SDG that works

bronze storm
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH

brisk jewel
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well im looking with a tos pov

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it is pretty much pirate

bronze storm
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Evil

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Pirate

ivory lodge
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pirate is rps

brisk jewel
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yea

bronze storm
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Unless you count alchemist

jaunty marsh
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See every time someone says “why did tos think that Rock paper scissors would work in an SDG” I just go goombie

bronze storm
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Which can legit just be a town psychopath

jaunty marsh
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Alchemist can be town vizier

ivory lodge
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is this how the demon works?

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what tis can find demon in botc

bronze storm
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Uhhhh

jaunty marsh
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Only a handful

bronze storm
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Quintessential example is Fortune Teller

jaunty marsh
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Fortune Teller, Sage

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I guess exorcist technically ??

ivory lodge
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i mean ti types

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alignment cop, parity cop yadda yadda

jaunty marsh
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Majority can’t find demon tho

ivory lodge
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ah

jaunty marsh
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Well

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Seamstress is seer but once per game

ivory lodge
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only ti that cant find acolyte(unless its bers) is sheriff

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and sheriff can break detection immunity

jaunty marsh
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Clockmaker can find demon because it learns how far the demon is from their closest minion

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There is a sheriff like role in botc

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Called Village idiot

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And it is the only non unique townie in the game as of rn

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I think

ivory lodge
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interesting

jaunty marsh
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One of the village idiots is always drunk, unless there is only one

ivory lodge
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but anyways majority of my tis cant find acolyte directly

bronze storm
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Yes
Excellent info, but the idiots gotta figure out who's the dumbass

jaunty marsh
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Evils are encouraged to claim VI

ivory lodge
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and my deception is quite uber buffed

jaunty marsh
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That’s good

ivory lodge
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and theres a crap ton of deception roles as well

jaunty marsh
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The thing is tos needs more internal deception from town as well

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But power creep

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If a role has negative utility people will hate it

ivory lodge
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ive never enjoyed self sabotage roles

bronze storm
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Not even that

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In botc

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Fortune Teller for example has their own misinformation built in

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They get a false positive on an unknown good player

jaunty marsh
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They have one red herring who falsely shows as the demon yeah

ivory lodge
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hm

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i mean i do have detection immunity

jaunty marsh
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Storyteller chooses it tho

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I don’t think it would work with RNG

bronze storm
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Uhhh
There's flowergirl

ivory lodge
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alright time to cook up a list

bronze storm
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Who can't control who she checks

ivory lodge
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yalls got a good beginner type list?

bronze storm
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(Its based on who votes)

ivory lodge
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with a variety of demons?

jaunty marsh
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Wait what are you doing ?

ivory lodge
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that i can translate?

jaunty marsh
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Is this for tos or botc

ivory lodge
jaunty marsh
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Trouble brewing is the first list

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Only one demon tho

ivory lodge
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hm

jaunty marsh
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But every other list starts to get chaotic as fuck

ivory lodge
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im banning zerker so therell be 3 demons

jaunty marsh
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If you don’t understand botc they will get mistranslated badly

ivory lodge
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ah

bronze storm
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There are some simpler experimental Demons I suppose?

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Actually no Ojo will not translate

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(Ojo kills by choosing roles to die)

jaunty marsh
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Ojo is literaly tos Oracle that kills instead of protecting

ivory lodge
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plaguebearer baker and soul collector will be the demons im having

ivory lodge
jaunty marsh
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In tos yeah

bronze storm
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In botc most town roles being unique means it's more a sniper

jaunty marsh
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Also how does Ojo interact with village idiot actually

bronze storm
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It kills 1 of the ST's choice

jaunty marsh
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Surely it kills just one

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Yeah makes sense

bronze storm
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Also if the Ojo guesses wrong there's no punishment

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They just don't control who dies in that case

jaunty marsh
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ST decides yeah

bronze storm
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Imp could translate actually

ivory lodge
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so jailor, marshal, bers, vigi will be banned

jaunty marsh
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I love imp tbh

ivory lodge
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im using blood of salem as reference btw

jaunty marsh
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It’s so simple but it works so well

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Ag alr

ivory lodge
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tpow will be either mayor or mon since pros is pariah now

bronze storm
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For context
Imp can kill itself to turn one of its Minions into a new Imp

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It's simple but effective

jaunty marsh
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Imp is the only demon in trouble brewing

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I love the demons that make it uncertain if night deaths are good or not

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ESPECIALLY vigormortis

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I loooove vigormortis

ivory lodge
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Blood of Salem

Hidden Roles

Secret Killers

Apocalypse VIP

Ballot Voting

Ghostly Votes

Speaking Spirits

Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Power
Town Protective
Town Protective
Town Support
Town Miscellaneous
Town Miscellaneous
Town Miscellaneous
Town Miscellaneous
Apocalypse Killing
Apocalypse Miscellaneous
Apocalypse Miscellaneous
Apocalypse Miscellaneous
Neutral Pariah

Bans: Jailor, Marshal, Berserker, Vigilante

jaunty marsh
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Okay rq tf is among us trial

ivory lodge
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basically amonguses system of votes

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where you vote for someone

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when day ends

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the guy with most votes dies

jaunty marsh
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You could use ballot voting for that

ivory lodge
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oh yeah

jaunty marsh
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Maybe slightly different but it amounts to the same thing

ivory lodge
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should i ban scammer?

jaunty marsh
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Uh

ivory lodge
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it can steal feedback

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but its a forger

bronze storm
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Oh plurality voting

jaunty marsh
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Ghuh

pastel abyss
ivory lodge
pastel abyss
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tf is "town miscellaneous" btw

ivory lodge
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common town

pastel abyss
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. . .

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just call it common town

ivory lodge
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no

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its cuz coven misc

sour skiff
ivory lodge
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its not

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i literally said what it was

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does nobody read?

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whatever their name is didnt even realise i was talking about making a botc for worst

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and assumed i was talking bout btos

bronze storm
ivory lodge
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when the conversation was about how the cult was just like botcs evil

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where the goal is to keep the acolyte/demon alive

south garden
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Terrible role frfr

ivory lodge
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wait a sec

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LMFAO I CANT EVEN HAVE APOCALYPSE KILLING IN BLOOD OF SALEM

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BERSERKERS BANNED

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IF AN ACOLYTE IS BANNED ITS UNDERLINGS ARE ALSO BANNED

sour skiff
# ivory lodge its not

TS is really just like a Town Misc. where they can drop things that dont fit in other alignments

ivory lodge
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ts isnt town misc anymore

slim dagger
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Oracle was a good idea which was why it was added, do not get salty when Nuggy has good ideas

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Nuggy never asked us for it to be added, it was posted in suggestions and I was like "this is peak ngl chat"

bronze zenith
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W Curt pop off

flat blade
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maybe it's good on BOTC, but i can't help but see this one as a bad role in town of salem

bronze storm
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Well it's this fucker

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Yes that's right that's a demon

ivory lodge
bronze storm
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Yes you are

wintry bough
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they're good fanzazz

ivory lodge
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I AM PLAGUEBEARER

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I AM THE FOLLOWER OF THE ANTICHRIST

wintry bough
bronze storm
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By definition, as the demon

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...isn't the Fanzazz the antichrist

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Gotcha

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(Yes I know that's not what the antichrist is)

wintry bough
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why would you do this to us fucker 😭

sour skiff
primal island
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this one fine asf why is it still not considered

bronze zenith
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cause you bumped it lmao /j

flat blade
upbeat warren
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This is really cute, actually

pseudo stag
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Why did I think the golem icon was his body as a minecraft block

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I just realized it was his hand lmaooo

hot fulcrum
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Hey yall im on my phone rn so i dont have the option to scroll up can someone reply to it so i can get up fast

pseudo stag
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_ _

hot fulcrum
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Thank you!

pseudo stag
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Yep

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Fun Fact: this is what I based my Slime role off of. The idea of changing wincons is fun because its so amne core lol

hot fulcrum
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Yeah

tardy sky
jaunty marsh
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WHY IS THIS ALIVE LOOL

pseudo stag
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someone is reanimating the old threads

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we have a necro in sight

jaunty marsh
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WAH

jaunty marsh
cosmic pumice
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I love Blood on the Clocktower

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Also did you seriously do custom role art for this

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The dedication is real

cosmic pumice
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But since this is NS

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I don't really care

flat blade
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my problem with roles that have wincon changes is the fact that taking action perjudicates them at winning

signal kraken
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I kinda like slime a bit more since they can store a extra wincon in their back pocket if need be, but still cool.

jaunty marsh
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It just fit the theme of this

signal kraken
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Upvoted because I love alignment fuckery

jaunty marsh
jaunty marsh
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Or maybe I did and I forg

signal kraken
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Let me get it for ya rq

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Pls add one of these ideas Btos2 devs, like I said, Alignment changing is cool and if that's not your cup of tea, it's a NS anyway

signal kraken
hexed cypress
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Holy peak

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? ! ?

hexed cypress
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I thought this was new who tf bumped this

ivory lodge
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people can just click a button to reopen old threads

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to silently necro them

shadow tide
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Bro this is like 7-8 months old why did this get revived 💀

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Still good role tho so whoever did this they atleast revived smth good.

cosmic pumice
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No clue

shadow tide
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Fricking Necromancers man

gusty moon