No-cronomicon (Modifier)

[marsh turret]

No-cronomicon - Modifier

No Necronomicon spawns.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[swift wind]

fr we should add this

/j

[marsh turret]

tf you mean /j get back here

no necronomicon

hex master v 14 town

[swift wind]

fair
but still

[unborn pulsar]

pair this with this modifier https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1215306848895238216 so we can have multiple hex masters vs town.

[hallow forum]

add this to teams

[hexed blade]

Change it to nocrocomicon

[marsh turret]

exactly i made this post after making it

No-cronomicon (Modifier)

[hidden pecan]

make this JUST for teams

(and custom)

and then just ban CL so that there are no bugs or anythin

[marsh turret]

definitely yh

[solid trout]

Literally Team Mode

[untold fiber]

first someone removes towns way to kill now we removing covens way to kill?

this stupid

[hardy lotus]

This is funny

[midnight lake]

It’s a joke modifier.

Literally just a meme

[flat charm]

more troll suggestions

sigh

[unborn pulsar]

it's not entirely a troll suggestion, there's legitimate use cases for it.

[marsh turret]

i mean ppv2 with no necronomicon is more balanced than its state upon removal

but yeah there are genuine uses other than ‘name this role to depty’ like ban it to customs or make a casual list that surrounds coven can’t use necro

4 coven 3 pariahs 8 town and coven can’t consistently kill at night

confirm a hex and pros and it’s gonna be a p good chaos list

[marsh turret]

the difference between removing towns lynch vs coven’s consistent kp is that coven have other ways of killing and other win conditions (namely hex)

[hidden pecan]

also at least town can myslynch

mislynch?

idk spelling

I think its Mislynch

[marsh turret]

mislynch yeah

[hidden pecan]

alrt

well again

Coven can Mislynch

so removing that is removing a key part of the game

So is removing Necronomicon but at least Coven can still win/kill via mislynch and stuff

[flat charm]

eh

even still

unless your going to make a list where coven and town have near majority with each other

your need to force HM or necro on the list

[marsh turret]

4 coven 3 pariahs, ban dwer, illu, enchanter dusa ect, confirm hex master and a ck slot

or even make it start with evil majority but give town pros and marshal and mayor

and also oracle to cure poison and protect town

[hallow forum]

Ban cl

[hidden pecan]

^

[echo venture]

fuck it we ball

this + perfect town might actually lead to a semi-fun mode...?

[echo hamlet]

So what we do is this and perfect town and add 2 nks for kpn

[marsh turret]

that’s true yh

ban cl, nks for kp, and coven can do shenanigans during the night

[marsh turret]

perfect town would actually be wild with this

and then you could keep all deception/disruption roles

and then ‘xyz’ is sus is like 20x more important

[noble warren]

You should have thought about this harder.
How is coven going to kill?

[echo venture]

they arent

thats the point of the mod

[noble warren]

Then how is coven supposed to progress towards winning.
NK would have to do it for them.

[echo venture]

social pushes

confusing townies into hanging/killing the wrong ppl

[noble warren]

Town won't lynch

[echo venture]

or like I suggested up here, perfect town with it leads to an actually fun mode

[noble warren]

They will leave it to tk

[echo venture]

confuse the TF

TK*

it definitely wouldnt be a mode for the faint of heart

but then again a mode like it already exists in perfect town

[marsh turret]

poisoner, conjurer, jinx, necromancer with tk, court, majority

ritualist

[hidden pecan]

gasp

[marsh turret]

hex master is also a win condition, witch, other nks

[noble warren]

That depends on which coven spawn.

[marsh turret]

ok then guarantee a ck slot

[noble warren]

Then this should be a gamemode instead of a modifier

[marsh turret]

but how do you make it a gamemode wtf

all game modes are modifiers..?

[marsh turret]

btw i keep saying this our pfps are identical because we used the disguiser from traitors in salem

[noble warren]

A gamemode is a modifier with a set role list.
without the right coven roles they would just lose if this modifier was enabled.

[marsh turret]

okay??

[noble warren]

*wraith

Xd

[marsh turret]

wraith F

anyways yeah but like that’s 99% of lists anyways

like the issue isn’t the modifier then

it’s the roledecks you come up with

i would argue a tos game with ZERO KPN but slightly less than evil majority with a hex master would be wild

perfect town, no necronomicon, and hex master + a bunch of evil cannon fodder means town needs to play VERY carefully

[marsh turret]

give me a rolelist then please cause the issue isn’t the modifier now

it’s just the compatibility with the game

give this to PPv2 and evils will still probably win 50% of the time

[hallow forum]

Perfect town?
Teams?

Hell hidden roles

[midnight lake]

https://tenor.com/view/super-troopers-shenanigans-gif-12521650

/j

[untold fiber]

hex isnt reliable and the cks are a swingy slot

it would play out like worse att when you get bers d2

[untold fiber]

gonna be real here

brains over brawn does this better

[echo venture]

im dismissing brains over brawn as any sort of comp list because it doesnt have secret killers

but that aside, this modifier isnt balanced

but its also a modifier, its allowed to not be

[pine kiln]

Ey. that's me! :D

[untold fiber]

it tries to be

[untold fiber]

not every mode needs secret killers

[echo venture]

every balanced mode sure as hell does

[untold fiber]

jackals and ctt

[echo venture]

just like you wouldnt build a balanced list without nomicon passing

[echo venture]

they should, though

[untold fiber]

jackals shouldnt

its a mode where you need the info

[echo venture]

just dont have a skill issue

[untold fiber]

since nobodys confirmed

[echo venture]

yeah

thats great

[untold fiber]

you need to know what youre up against

i like secret killers for most modes

but some modes are fine without it

[echo venture]

you dont, you just need to scumread and kill evil

[untold fiber]

you do

its not a normal traitor mode

you need more than that

[pine kiln]

Maybe if this isn't accepted, maybe there can be a gamemode that delays the arrival of the Necronomicon by 2-3 days like ToS1?

[untold fiber]

can we stop taking away town and covens main ability to handle their enemies

[silk hornet]

idk can we?

i think we're addicted to it

[forest otter]

because a mode with confirmed dusa should have secret killers, and the only non stoning evil kills are pois and jinx... really

it's not like there's NK, the only neut is audi

[echo venture]

oh I forgot about the bans

yeah nvm its fine

town kills are already confirmed anyway

or they dont happen

[humble scaffold]

this could be interesting for certain setups

it'd be completely inoffensive considering that it's just a modifier so more options can be had for certain things

like the modifier alone may be heavily anti-coven, but that can be balanced around accordingly with the list

[echo venture]

Don’t like it? Don’t play with it. Easy.

[echo venture]

Yeah, and perfect town is the same way for town

[forest otter]

imagine nocronomicon + perfect town

[marsh turret]

hex isn’t reliable because if coven is winning there is no point for hex at that point, BoB does this better sure but it’s still inherently different and can create more unique situations where coven and town are clashing heads trying to fight eachother using votes and manipulation (because coven can ALSO deceive and lynch other players)

perfect town + no necronomicon puts both town AND coven at a disadvantage because now coven can’t reliably kill BUT town can’t afford to mislynch

and 4 coven can become 4 executioners

[minor sluice]

I can’t really think of any time you would use this modifier but I don’t see any reason to why it shouldn’t be a modifier either

[hidden pecan]

Custom games

probably

[gray sage]

ok but this could actually be good and i hate that it is 😭

[echo island]

this suggestion is based

have my upvote

CL is litteraly just a town traitor townie role

[uneven meadow]

This would go well with pandora's box so bers isn't banned

[marsh turret]

i literally said the same thing in faketiers roledeck

https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1218648365298876516

[uneven meadow]

Oh lmao

I was just scrolling through suggestions

[marsh turret]

adding to this now, if coven become members of the town in certain chaos/customs lists, this would be a great utility to prevent coven from being too overtuned because town would get +1 kp each night

cases include town necromancer being able to use any corpse vs ret who can’t, but the necromancer would also have necronomicon and can kill each night otherwise which is too strong for town necro

Town Wildling is a better role than LO and Tracker, but with book it loses the gimmick. I’d love for a confirmed Town Wildling in a game against Arsos and Pariahs who have to communicate with eachother without using whispers or else be found out by wildling

[humble adder]

I know people have said this already but adding this to teams would be fun because you can gain there utilities without 1 of them killing and takes away kill poweroverall

[astral shadow]

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[marsh turret]

not that more kill power in teams is a bad thing, but definitely impacts how effective certain roles are and can make for interesting interactions if custom ++ ever becomes an option

town coven leader without book is townie + is found suspicious lmao

[humble adder]

i guess it is more just if you want roles like voodoo master banshee or witch (or if you want rit but it has to guess) or stuff like that without having to have them be killing roles

[marsh turret]

the only issue i can see is that coven are much more susceptive to being locked into a draw or permanently losing without coven win-conditions

You could sandwich this with other 'win-condition' esque modifiers i.e., all evils must die by xyz or else or all coven visits count as hex... ect

[hidden pecan]

This could also be used with pandoras box tbh

Bers team would or could have no necronomicon in order to balance the team

[untold fiber]

bers sucks

necronomicon is way better

id rather just ban the weaker killer than the better and more versatile one

[hidden pecan]

I’m just saying jeez

Don’t hate on my Marvel Fan Role

[untold fiber]

no idea what that is

[hidden pecan]

Bro… Juggernaut the X-Men character???

[astral shadow]

@hidden pecan has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)

[untold fiber]

oh thats what you were talking about

i tend to seperate bers and jugg

[hidden pecan]

I dont

The silhouette is literally Jugg.png

[faint pine]

@marsh turret mind if I use this suggestion in my role list

[marsh turret]

go nuts yh

[faint pine]

Cool

[marsh turret]

link your list here too xx

[faint pine]

But I decided to just ban Bers lol

[marsh turret]

sobbing