#Jackal should be either removed or reworked

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gentle ferry
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I'm still fairly new to the server, so I'm mostly unaware of the previous discussions that has happened on this topic (altho i did a quick search and it looks very controversial) but I'd like to share my perspective on Jackal.
I was shocked to find out it was bannable to out your coven teammates as rec. It seemed natural to me that you would be able to out them cuz you don't win with the cov faction.

of course you should do it when it's benefical to do so (yes, you shouldn't out them outright day 2, though even if they did it shouldn't technically be bannable because playing suboptimally in any form isn't bannable but that's for another discussion). yes, there can be multiple situations where it benefits you to out coven. it should be treated the same as cov outing NE/NK. Now I understand why it's unhealthy and frustrating for the cov faction because there is no counterplay. if rec decides to out you, there's not much you can do about it. The Jackal role is just unhealthy and problematic. if a certain role requires you to play with special imaginary rules that doesn't apply to any other role (like criminializing the behavior of outing an opposite faction), it just shouldn't exist.

If you are so adamant about keeping him in his current state, at the very least the rules regarding recs and jackal should be made clear. if I didn't go out of my way to check out and ask around the discord server I would never know it was a bannable offense. Maybe a pop-up rule sheet can appear before when a Jackal Returns mode is selected. Not like it's very obvious, one would think it's totally okay to out a faction that's opposing them. At least that's what I think.

scarlet void
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jackal fines existing in the game, especially as a neutral special

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obviously clarifications are needed what you can and cant do as a recruit

gentle ferry
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I was also referring to recs when I mentioned Jackal throughout my post

dense sail
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You say there’s no counter play against recs outing you and acknowledge outing your teammates as rec is bannable

gentle ferry
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i was told that it was ruled to be bannable so

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i don't see your point

lusty ginkgo
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saying that jackal should be removed is the biggest hot take i've ever seen

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everything about jackal except for the stuff you mentioned is fine

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and if the stuff you mentioned is bannable as you said then that problem is not really a threat

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i agree with the clarification part tho

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the stuff being bannable should very much be made clear yeah

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i shall react with an equals sign i guess

lime notch
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Oh noooo, I can’t do something that’s explicitly banned

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Woe is me

scarlet void
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well, theres no exact place to go for the rules

dense sail
gentle ferry
regal salmonBOT
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@gentle ferry has leveled up! (7 ➜ 8)

opal falcon
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they exist because people like hyper love to cheese their way through everything

gentle ferry
opal falcon
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and its called foul play

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thats why coven cant out nks

gentle ferry
opal falcon
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no death notes

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and im pretty sure thats gonna fall under foul play too

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outting other evil factions when youre bout to die is dumb

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its foul play and unfair on em

gentle ferry
opal falcon
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it is

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it takes away the deduction part for town

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theyre supposed to sus out the evils

gentle ferry
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if there's an arsonist and you are late in the game it could be in your favor to out them to get town lynched them first before your coven. why would you not allow plays that increases your chances of winning

gentle ferry
opal falcon
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im talking about outting when youre about to die

opal falcon
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because even if its town

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it became a 1f1

gentle ferry
# opal falcon and its fully in towns favor to listen

how's it in towns favor? let's say im a coven about to die, and i call a random person pm revealed NK role, if town were to believe my claim and lynch them next day i caused them a town member. town should have deduced correctly if i was lying or not to not mislynch

opal falcon
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that potentially couldve been a 2f0

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both of which are in towns favor

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and it can also be obvious to town if youre bullshitting

gentle ferry
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@opal falcon unless this was updated in the 1 month span?

opal falcon
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but it should

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its not foul play by the rules

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but its still foul play

gentle ferry
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its just your perspective on the game

opal falcon
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its foul play in the sense its a dick move

gentle ferry
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I can agree on that

full sable
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and then clutch it up

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its an actual play tho

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like not throwing purposes

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works 90% of the time

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anyway big L post

gentle ferry
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okay!

dense sail
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Spelling mistake

teal sorrel
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Blud tried to cook with this hot take, and burned the whole kitchen. 💀 🔥