#Discussion of possible nerfs

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fair dagger
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vigi is easy, what you just said

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vet needs an overhaul

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jailor is too controversial

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marshal just needs its power to be less bursty and more of a consistent threat to evils

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rit is swingy as shit and actually needs to force vfa

hollow helm
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Nerf spy

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๐Ÿ˜Š

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I don't think Jailor needs to be nerfed honestly

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It's already been balanced imho via starspawn + the bigger punishment on mis-executing + auditor

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Also, not saying to balance around idiots, but certain townies... ๐Ÿ˜จ

fair dagger
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we dont

hollow helm
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However

fair dagger
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we dont

hollow helm
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I think:

I agree w/ Vigi nerf
Disagree w/ Vet
Agree w/ Marshal
Disagree w/ Ritualist

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Vigilante:

Could definitely use the nerf. It almost feels like Jailor-lite, with the additional benefit of being able to not insta-die to SK/WW during the night.
Going to 2 charges would be good, though part of me likes the idea of shooting N1

Veteran:

While I think Vet can be irritating to fight, I think he's just...fine. There are multiple ways to deal with a Veteran (Conjurer, Ritualist, CL + PM, Necromancer) when Coven, though he's basically a giant "DO NOT ATTACK" target for NKs/NSs.
The drawing out the game is an issue of skill - the veteran survived long enough to still have alerts that late into the game? Lowkey deserves it.

Jailor:

Stated above.
TOS2 Jailor feels balanced enough already.

Marshal:

Isn't that powerful CONSISTENTLY (It's really easy to hijack), however I feel like Marshal's the class that deserves an overhaul most. I don't have any ideas on this, but I do find it problematic that Marshal can either insta-win games or insta-lose.

Ritualist:

It's fine. It doesn't need nerfs. The fact that it requires PM/Witch to be consistent is enough, honestly. Yes, it's annoying to be unable to insta-open-claim, but changing Rit requires changing DS too. At most, I'd say lower it to 2 charges and give it a cooldown of a night or two.

opaque wraith
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i fucking hate DS rn

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litterally town alligned NE

exotic fiber
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Vigi: Everyone and their mother has said the same thing, remove hangman and a bullet and its perfect.

Vet: Not sure how to tackle this one as lack of direct agency sucks but a full rework might be awkward so its in a spot where it doesnt need a change but could use one later down the line.

Jailor: Not touching this one whats been said has already been said millions of times on Jailor.

Marshal: Its not as OP as people think but it is frustrating, but the main issue is that Marsh, Pros, and Mayor currently exist in a vacuum where one will always be better than the others Pros is that currently to Marsh and Mayor

Rit: Punishment is to great for messing up but also shouldent punish people as hard as it does for getting lucky and having a pm/witch on the team, that interaction needs to be changed a bit and rit needs a buff elsewhere.