sleek whale
Make seer unique so now 2 seer can't destroy every evil
I did not copy this, I just saw someone speak about this in the lobby.
I will tell more on why i would make this suggestion.
Seer will be less op since 2 seer can just check a person twice and it would be overall unbalanced also the fact it would be double efficient. (I will read each and everything you will say and maybe i could make better suggestions in the future with better grammar)
If you anything else to say please let me know.
solar path
this is stupid
drowsy pecan
Deputy was made unique as a bandage and it’s a whole hell of a lot less problematic than seer
solar path
deputy doesnt have good final fixes
sleek whale
Peak suggestion
solar path
other than outlaw
sleek whale
Let me cook
solar path
and outlaw requires a lot of shit
drowsy pecan
How do you change seer without it just being a stronger sheriff
Or a weaker sheriff
solar path
How do you change seer without it just being a stronger sheriff
easy
make it half as fast
and the only cop ti that bypasses detection immunity
every other night it gains info
and it cant recheck ever
drowsy pecan
Discounting illu/bookholder, so can sheriff
And I’d assume this proposed seer change would also be weak to illusionist
upper harness
Make seer unique so now 2 seer can't destroy every evil
I did not copy this, I ...
bro someone already JUST made this fucking suggestion + again, this would allow the fucking seer a free confirmation if ingame
drowsy pecan
So that means it’s a sheriff at half speed that can only catch a single more evil
midnight badge
Make seer unique so now 2 seer can't destroy every evil
I did not copy this, I ...
the reason this doesn't work is that it makes seer stronger by sheer confirmation, and removes it as a possible fake claim
drowsy pecan
Well ofc when I troll I do it well enough that you can’t tell 
solar path
So that means it’s a sheriff at half speed that can only catch a single more evi...
sher cant confirm townies
upper harness
no like litterally these are 14 minutes apart @midnight badge
solar path
sher cant confirm 2 townies
royal canopy
the reason this doesn't work is that it makes seer stronger by sheer confirmatio...
ya
midnight badge
Well idk if they are necessarily trolling
royal canopy
ti shouldn't be unique because ti are inherently supposed to be safe claims
midnight badge
mhm
solar path
and also gateways to leading town
midnight badge
TIs are pretty good fake claims I feel, they are really good for making bold plays and going for mislynches
yyup
Seer is a stupid strong fake claim
proud forge
Make seer unique so now 2 seer can't destroy every evil
I did not copy this, I ...
Your mind is in the right place, but making Seer unique is not good. Only TPOW are supposed to be unique, Deputy is only the exception strictly because it is in a dire position.
drowsy pecan
sher cant confirm 2 townies
Sheriff with two innocent checks:
solar path
detection immunity
upper harness
i am 100% sure this has to be a troll
drowsy pecan
One.
solar path
and the bookholder can change
drowsy pecan
Being able to see a single more person is not fucking worth only being able to do it at half speed
solar path
being able to see that person is what allows you to confidently hard conf
drowsy pecan
Illusionist
Enchanter
Screw your new seer over really hard
Not a bad thing
But you can’t say it’s stronger than sheriff
solar path
its not supposed to be
drowsy pecan
Yeah but it should be on the level of sheriff
Actually, it should be on the level of tracker
solar path
Yeah but it should be on the level of sheriff
and its roughly equal
solar path
trading the hard outting evils for the capacity to hardconf townies
and speed
hardconfing townies is huge
drowsy pecan
Sheriff can confirm townies… there’s a reason you recheck ppl
solar path
not in the current detection immunity state
drowsy pecan
Seer could honestly just get scrapped
solar path
we dont delete roles
drowsy pecan
Why not
solar path
until they absolutely deserve it
drowsy pecan
Seer does
true sandal
seer, psychic and sheriff do the same thing
drowsy pecan
I’ve been making a rework of everything in the game, and TI can easily be tuned down to 5
Invest seer and sheriff are unneeded
true sandal
invest?
solar path
invest and psy arent needed
true sandal
hm
true sandal
i dont like percept as is
hm
drowsy pecan
Pros and crus are now reworked into TSes and admi is removed
solar path
this game doesnt need new roles
drowsy pecan
I didn’t add so much as move
drowsy pecan
I just made crus into bouncer
solar path
we have enough vote increasers
solar path
I just made crus into bouncer
socialite can do that easily
drowsy pecan
Socialite is just admi reflavored
solar path
...
drowsy pecan
solar path
this is rb and control immune
drowsy pecan
No cause there’s a priority now
solar path
no it is
true sandal
oh yeah Hyper wants the priority thing
drowsy pecan
I made it. It isn’t.
solar path
rbs and controls go first
solar path
oh yeah Hyper wants the priority thing
oh that shit again
thats not possible mechanically
drowsy pecan
It’s a video game. Anything is possible mechanically
true sandal
but uhhh
solar path
It’s a video game. Anything is possible mechanically
not how shit works
true sandal
it would need for each abillity to have an specific priority
solar path
the priority is hardcoded
true sandal
which is lots of works
solar path
it would need for each abillity to have an specific priority
they already do
drowsy pecan
Just recode things (yes this is easier said than done but not impossible I’d assume)
solar path
Just recode things (yes this is easier said than done but not impossible I’d ass...
it might as well be impossible
true sandal
they already do
i mean as in Tav roleblock be different from Poisoner
solar path
literally everything would need to get recoded
drowsy pecan
Because tav being roleblock immune is stupid and only exists to prevent paradoxes
solar path
Because tav being roleblock immune is stupid and only exists to prevent paradoxe...
its not stupid and it exists because tavs rb by visiting before most people
true sandal
unless each player has a randomized priority
and the game has a coded in paradox breaker
sleek whale
Anyways lemme check the comments to check how much i messed up
true sandal
why is witch last
drowsy pecan
The manipulation priority of my overhaul goes as follows:
sleek whale
THEY TEACH US "HAVE" IN FUCKING HIGHSCHOOL
true sandal
i love this gif
true sandal
The manipulation priority of my overhaul goes as follows:
1. Starspawn
2. Crusad...
transporter?
drowsy pecan
Attack-only
solar path
The manipulation priority of my overhaul goes as follows:
1. Starspawn
2. Crusad...
...
wild trailBOT
@solar path has leveled up! (48 ➜ 49)
true sandal
transporter doesn't exist hyper
true sandal
why is witch below the rbers
good question
drowsy pecan
Because witch doesn’t need to be RB immune
solar path
it literally does
drowsy pecan
Crus is a roleblocker
solar path
you have a fundamental misunderstanding how controls work
solar path
It’s not rocket science
its more than that
drowsy pecan
Or roleblock immune
true sandal
you do know how priority works right hyper
solar path
you cancel their ability
true sandal
in the code
solar path
regardless of their immunities
sleek whale
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Oh i did not see that, i just noticed someone saying it in the lobby but the problem is 2 seer will make winning as evil really hard
solar path
unless theyre specifically designed to go before you
because like roleblocks
controls can only affect the actions below it
midnight badge
Oh i did not see that, i just noticed someone saying it in the lobby but the pro...
ok but a seer who is impossible to be fake is arguably scarier
an evil bluffing a seer is very good
true sandal
ok but a seer who is impossible to be fake is arguably scarier
nuggy good argument
but
yeah fair
wait no i agree with u
anyways
solar path
1 Necromancer
2 Lich
3 Retributionist
4 Starspawn
5 Socialite
6 Shroud
6 Witch
8 Puppeteer
9 Auditor/Poisoner/Tavern Keeper/Dreamweaver
10 Plaguebearer/Shadowspawn/Artist/Psychic
drowsy pecan
in the code
Doesn’t really matter because the priority system I came up with is a completely new system
solar path
this is a priority list that works mechanically
true sandal
1 Necromancer
2 Lich
3 Retributionist
4 Starspawn
5 Socialite
6 Shroud
6 Witch
8...
lich
solar path
Doesn’t really matter because the priority system I came up with is a completely...
its also fucking complicated and would be jank as shit
true sandal
great argument
but
@midnight badge close Faketier's Apoc thread until he stops using them as examples!
solar path
nunny dont
true sandal
do it Nuggy!
solar path
NEIN
solar path
yeah sure
drowsy pecan
its also fucking complicated and would be jank as shit
Roleblock immunity is shit and outside of roles like CL and SK which have it as a feature, there is no need for it to exist
sleek whale
Did not realise someone made the same suggestion
Just saw someone speak about this in the lobby
solar path
Roleblock immunity is shit and outside of roles like CL and SK which have it as ...
there is need for it to exist
you think in tabletop terns
terms
this is a video game
true sandal
Roleblock immunity is shit and outside of roles like CL and SK which have it as ...
paradox busters while they are possible to code, they are very troublesome to code actualy
like
true sandal
yeah
good example
it's like trying to do ur excel thingies
and then
you have 340958340958 paradoxes
midnight badge
I mean paradoxes by nature are something that computers shit and die about, but humans can deal with easily
true sandal
and you have to make a cases for them
sleek whale
What if seer cannot check the same person that the the other seer checked?
midnight badge
its like the entire halting problem
true sandal
for each paradox
solar path
its why rb immunity has a paradox/mechanic need is only for games
true sandal
but that's not all
midnight badge
What if seer cannot check the same person that the the other seer checked?
confirmation
that would literally confirm seers are real
sturdy ingot
I mean paradoxes by nature are something that computers shit and die about, but ...
How to stop the robot takeover: tell them a paradox...watch them self-destruct...
midnight badge
How to stop the robot takeover: tell them a paradox...watch them self-destruct.....
unless its portal 2
solar path
tell that to wheatley
sturdy ingot
unless its portal 2
True
midnight badge
LOL
sleek whale
confirmation
Yeah it would make fake claiming near impossible
solar path
it is already near impossible due to the sheer number of visit checkers
the payoff is good if you take the risk
sleek whale
Seer is impossible to balance
sleek whale
How the fuck do you balance seer
solar path
make it half as fast
sturdy ingot
Permanently removing seer targets is 😨
solar path
not only can it hardconf townies by bypassing detection immunity
it bypasses detection immunity
sturdy ingot
I know it's just like
That feels huge
Alongside removing targetting revealed roles
true sandal
make so if seer checks 2 townies, seer kills both of them (real)
sleek whale
What if you can use seer ability 4 times
true sandal
charges are a bandage fix
sturdy ingot
make so if seer checks 2 townies, seer kills both of them (real)
If seer checks 2 townies/evils of the same role, they instantly get banned off of TOS2 and the BTOS2 discord server
drowsy pecan
Roleblocker roleblocking a roleblocker: Second roleblocker stays home
Controller controlling a roleblocker into that same roleblocker: That roleblocker stays home
Controller controlling a roleblocker into the controller: The controller stays home and the roleblocker does their normal action
Two controllers moving the same player: Higher in the priority works, but both visit
Two roleblockers roleblocking each other: both stay home
Controller controlling a controller: the second controller will actually control the first controller’s second target into the second controller’s normal second target
Believe that’s most of the paradoxes accounted for
sleek whale
charges are a bandage fix
Then help me I need suggestions to be better at suggesting
sturdy ingot
Roleblocker roleblocking a roleblocker: Second roleblocker stays home
Controlle...
CCaC is essentially: doing nothing
drowsy pecan
Delete seer
true sandal
Roleblocker roleblocking a roleblocker: Second roleblocker stays home
Controlle...
now do it codewise
drowsy pecan
CCaC is essentially: doing nothing
Well, take this as an example:
Controller A chooses for Controller B to visit Person C.
Controller B tried to control Person D into Person E, but actually controlled Person C into Person E.
drowsy pecan
now do it codewise
That’s not my job
sturdy ingot
Not how you described it
You said "First Controller's Target"
That's the Second Controller
true sandal
That’s not my job
well, i do know a little bit about coding and i'll tell you
drowsy pecan
I worded it weirdly
true sandal
that's a bigass line of code that has to be made specificaly for each interaction, and will make your code more complex and way slower
sturdy ingot
that's a bigass line of code that has to be made specificaly for each interactio...
If you use if statement upon if statement, nothing can go wrong! :D
true sandal
If you use if statement upon if statement, nothing can go wrong! :D
surely
sturdy ingot
if:
else:
else:
else:
drowsy pecan
that's a bigass line of code that has to be made specificaly for each interactio...
Oh no! The code of massive online game that has 50-something roles with many lobbies going at once being complex?? How could it be!!!
true sandal
Oh no! The code of massive online game that has 50-something roles with many lob...
stop strawmaning hyper
sleek whale
Make seer unable to be protected it would be harder to fake claim as but easy to kill
true sandal
coding is about always doing the most optimized and quick thing possible
so you have more space to make more things
drowsy pecan
Make seer unable to be protected it would be harder to fake claim as but easy to...
Yeah but let’s not just add random-ass unrelated attributes to “balance” a role
sturdy ingot
Yeah but let’s not just add random-ass unrelated attributes to “balance” a role
Doctor being unable to heal mayor:
drowsy pecan
Which is shit
true sandal
Doctor being unable to heal mayor:
that is bad
sturdy ingot
Really balances Doc which would otherwise be an OP role and the best in the game
Doc literally carries the game, Jailor quivers in his tiny little boots when he thinks of Doc
true sandal
btw a really good example of unoptimized code is Geometry Dash
like
it's really really bad
i think it got better though with the new update
now we have actualy consistent physics for all Refresh Rates
solar path
Roleblocker roleblocking a roleblocker: Second roleblocker stays home
Controlle...
overly complicated and almost all of these are logically impossible
also balancewise even dumber than you claim Immunities are
drowsy pecan
Doc literally carries the game, Jailor quivers in his tiny little boots when he ...
With some of the opinions I’ve seen on this server, I can’t tell if you’re kidding or not
sturdy ingot
How could I be kidding?
Doctor is clearly the best role in the game.
He LITERALLY stops his target dying at night!
He LITERALLY visits his target at night!
He LITERALLY can give himself basic defense once.
What other role could even SLIGHTLY compare?
true sandal
he can spam heal his target
true sandal
What other role could even SLIGHTLY compare?
doctor that can kill
sturdy ingot
Fake role
true sandal
Coctor
sturdy ingot
What are you talking about? The coven? Crusader?
It's 2014, we're in Town of Salem.
Gear up, we have mafia to lynch!!
drowsy pecan
Malpractioner
true sandal
What are you talking about? The coven? Crusader?
It's 2014, we're in Town of Sal...
that's before ie even joined i think
i joined in 2015
when i joined forger wasn't even a thing
true sandal
it was free back then
sturdy ingot
Whenever I was on stand, I said shit like "Save me, I have kids! Think of our happiness! I have a family!"
I didn't even realise I had to claim lmao
true sandal
honestly back then everyone kinda of was a memelord
true sandal
on 2015?
sturdy ingot
Even back when I started (when I was like 9), I saw people saying...stuff 😭
sturdy ingot
I'm 16 now
Yeah
😭
I'm but a wee child, sir. Spare me naught but a coin, I beg...!!
sturdy ingot
Dies of dysentary and malaria and scarlet fever and the bubonic plague and
true sandal
Dies of dysentary and malaria and scarlet fever and the bubonic plague and
i thought about sending a Suika gif but uh
i am not the sus Touhou fan
true sandal
https://tenor.com/view/cirno-spin-spinning-fumo-touhou-gif-17729909506915138718
ha
you have seem nothing
sturdy ingot
ha
you have seem nothing
true sandal
https://tenor.com/view/emo-maripcsas-gif-22401043
royal canopy
Seer could honestly just get scrapped
seer shouldn't be scrapped, psychic should
seer is the concept that psychic should've became
true sandal
seer shouldn't be scrapped, psychic should
we could go with scrapping all TI honestly fr fr
royal canopy
6 ti is good enough
