#Remove Pariah From Pariah Party

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quick flame
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Okay but seriously. Pariah party is extremely unbalanced and needs to be changed. It feels much more like a regular list that had three pariahs slapped onto it than a list actually balanced around those pariahs.

-You can't claim TI because if there is a conjurer they will nuke the most legit looking TI and instantly gain evil majority with court.
-You can't ask for tplo as any role that can't gain defense because SS and Coven will immediately kill you
-You can't claim TPOW because you will get audited, isolated, and killed
-You can't VFR because if you VFR a townie the judge checked he will call court and hang them in the middle of their VFR
-Jinx can automatically give evils maj d2 if town get's unlucky

Losing d2 is not fun. There should not be a list where town loses d2. Why is there even a CK? Coven don't need a free kill off the bat.

If Town has bad RNG. Lets say their TK is Trick and Tpow is Pros. They have extremely little counter play to even the worst coven lineups. Town has to essentially hope evils don't know what they are doing or that their TK/Tpow wins them the game.

verbal tinsel
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...So it's just Party then.

normal coral
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Socialite fr

sick oriole
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man i cant wait to play p

verbal tinsel
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But yeah, Thumbs down for the fact that If you remove Pariahs from Pariah Party, That defeats the entire purpose of the list.

tropic sequoia
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I think some way to rebalance this mode would be :

  • Since there are already 3 evil helpers, maybe reduce Coven by one person to make the Coven team less powerfull and more reliant on the Pariahs.
  • Do not make Marshall guaranteed so Judge will not just wait for Marshall to reveal before triggering and make actual Marshall more relevant cause you never expect him.
  • Maybe we could try with a 2 people Apocalypse team instead of Coven since kill cannot happen n1 and this team is reliant on chaos so they can live longer more than direct kill.
verbal tinsel
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I also think that perhaps banning Conjurer might be best, since like

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Currently, if Conjurer kills, Evils can get majority quickly.

vale hazel
mossy lion
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Im sorry what

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the entire point of pariah party is that there is all 3 np

verbal tinsel
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^^^^

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Yeah, seriously. If you remove Pariahs from the list, that defeats the entire purpose of the list!

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At that point, just play Jackal Returns or CTT/ATT/DTT or something.

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Like

tropic sequoia
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yeah Pariah Party is also a way for new players to have better chance to experience this somewhat weird new faction

fast surge
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remove pariah party

quick flame
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I don't think anyone read my suggestion considering removing the pariah was the joke part and balancing the list was the real suggestion

quick flame
quick flame
drowsy vessel
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they plan to revert it to ppv1 once they fix the dc system, I believe

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which only had an sk and a jackal as the other evils

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and I believe was at least somewhat balanced due to the evils being generally limited in power and uninformed

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like the coven being able to actively coordinate and get more than 1 kpn is a big killer for the current list

unreal epoch
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The Idea of PP is fun but the execution is awful imo, one issue is that forced marshal vs Judge pretty much makes one of the town powers useless until the judge is out, a flat 6v9 formular is also very scum sided when 3 of the scum are automatically power scum roles it makes the mode feel very flop sided if you have one wrong mislynch (which is very easy) its really hard to come back from considering that pariahs also have counter measures against day actions and limited actions ontop of how judge works again.

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Pairah despite not having KPN are very impactful compared to a random coven withoutbook

vale hazel
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Ban marshal from pariah party

drowsy vessel
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evils always have majority day 2 with judge

vale hazel
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One game I did throw

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Because I jailed oracle n1 and marshal got stoned

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Then I got stoned

drowsy vessel
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also starspawn can pop instantly day 3 and it's over anyways

vale hazel
drowsy vessel
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evils already have a powerful maj

vale hazel
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no roleblock

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No tp

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no marshal

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no jailor/pros/mayor

drowsy vessel
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you say that assuming those roles can perform n2

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with no info

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then the tpow get negated by starspawn, as do tp

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auditor can negate tpow as well

fast surge
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PPv1 with jackal/SK as the best iteration of the list

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Objectively

hollow cipher
fast surge
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I enjoyed PPv1

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v1.5 was eh

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v2 is shit

wicked igloo
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the fuck is this suggestion LMAOOO

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have you ever heard of PPv1 where the evils couldn't communicate and so it was balanced

fast surge
wicked igloo
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oh ok

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PPv2 is getting reverted to the good vers

boreal vigil
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I can’t wait to play p

stable sundial
fast surge
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Jackal/NK w. Arso ban

drowsy vessel
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seems like evils would be pretty neutered with a ww

fast surge
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They were

unreal epoch
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Its because WW sucks

wicked parcel
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Girl what the fuck is this

fast surge
wicked parcel
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Oh

drowsy vessel
normal coral
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Evils raking in the PP real?

drowsy vessel
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They need to balance coven there

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Pariah isn't the problem

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Before coven update, the game has a balance win rate for both town and evils

quick flame
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WHY ARE THEY BOOING ME IM RIGHT

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WHO TEAMSED ME

fast surge
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me

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because I agree PPv2 is shit but im going to be called an idiot for upvoting because you made the dumbass move to make the title clickbait

unreal epoch
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why has PPv2 stayed for so long

drowsy vessel
fast surge
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thats OP's fault for making the title so clickbaity

fast surge
wicked igloo
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when you make the title/header something as dumb as "Remove Pariah From PARIAH Party" nobody wants to read that shit lmao

tropic sequoia
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yeah it has clickbait troll material too

fast surge
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It’s not actually a troll, their actual suggestion comes down to “PPv2 is unbalanced as fuck”

verbal tinsel
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I mean, I do agree that PPv2 is heavily unbalanced.

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But the problem is that balancing this list is very finicky.

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I think that one major change that should happen is that Marshal isn't confirmed on the list, tbh