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Hidden Roles
Secret Killers
Ghost Town
#1212531764300619786
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Mob Boss (will post as soon as the 30 minute timeout is gone)
Outlaws (will post as soon as the 30 minute timeout is gone)
Town Power
Town Protective
Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Support
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Ritualist
Random Coven
Random Coven
Random Coven
Neutral Pariah
Neutral Pariah
Jailor
Coroner
Medusa
Jinx
Very WIP list that is very obviously based on BOTC
drifting summit
Another BOTC inspired casual list it seems
drifting summit
well #1211808135954567208
crisp pecan
## MODIFIERS
Hidden Roles
Secret Killers
Ghost Town
<#1212531764300619786>
<#121...
summarizing the modifiers until I can post:
Mob Boss: If the Necronomicon holder dies, Coven loses
Outlaws: Hangman is removed and these roles will lose all remaining charges instead.
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its evils vip still
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yeesh that sounds like hell
rotund mason
yeesh that sounds like hell
it would be if the roles were stupid like ToS
gladly, the roles are stupid like BotC
rotund mason
it's not
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and blood of salem is way better implement of botc
rotund mason
the game has too much of a frail base to be BotC
crisp pecan
#1211808135954567208
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cuz botc is its own thing
from what ive heard of it its probably even more disconnected from vmafia than tos2
rotund mason
hmm i mean it is but it does open your eyes on other Mafiastyles
crisp pecan
but its better than any mafia ive ever played
its unarguably the best designed SDG
outside of vanilla mafia
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whether it is or not idc
rotund mason
its unarguably the best designed SDG
Mafiastyle*
crisp pecan
no best social deduction game in general
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but tos is definitely not botc and has no intentions of being it
rotund mason
no best social deduction game in general
best social deduction game is infact pokemon
crisp pecan
you say that but curt posted #1212531764300619786
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this is trying too hard to make tos like botc without proper balance changes to make it fit
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you say that but curt posted <#1212531764300619786>
thats not a botc exclusive thing
tos has a history with dead interaction
crisp pecan
if casual lists had to be perfectly balanced we need to go back and look at many of the lists
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casual lists need to work
crisp pecan
this does work
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not with evil vip
crisp pecan
why not
rotund mason
this *does* work
ToS needs more deception for that to work
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which is infinitely worse
crisp pecan
town is handicapped by secret killers, hidden roles, friendly fire, and outlaws
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ToS needs more deception for that to work
and its more mechanics based
rotund mason
town is handicapped by secret killers, hidden roles, friendly fire, and outlaws
yeah but what about outsiders
poison
rotund mason
minions that break the game
crisp pecan
yeah but what about outsiders
throwers and enchanter :trollface:
rotund mason
weaker town
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oh botcs town is weak as shit
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explains why they so desperately need evils vip
crisp pecan
no evil is just really fucking strong
crisp pecan
town literally has an old ret
rotund mason
throwers and enchanter :trollface:
i
i can't argue against that
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no evil is just *really* fucking strong
so towns weak
rotund mason
so towns weak
compared to evils, yes
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town literally has an old ret
thats not strong thats just dumb
steep wadi
best social deduction game is infact pokemon
ttt
crisp pecan
rotund mason
unless it has those yyyyhhhh
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compared to evils, yes
thats just weak
rotund mason
Lycanthrope
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there are only evils and town
crisp pecan
lycanthrope is so fucking stupid
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if evils are miles stronger than town
rotund mason
Lycantrhope just makes town go off the board
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town is weak
crisp pecan
rotund mason
if evils are miles stronger than town
i wouldn't say by miles
crisp pecan
rotund mason
but they are stronger
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either way town is weak
rotund mason
it's just that BoTC is... weird
crisp pecan
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it's just that BoTC is... weird
i hear that
crisp pecan
crisp pecan
yes
rotund mason
it's host dependant so that's also a big reason why
crisp pecan
its the closest an SDG can get to perfection
rotund mason
its the closest an SDG can get to perfection
truco
crisp pecan
mostly cause of the ST
steep wadi
That's it, I'm putting madness into tos
crisp pecan
but yeah no this list is a funny attempt to make TOS like BOTC
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no wonder this botc stuff never worked for tos
crisp pecan
keyword
funny
oh and this list would definitely be better than things like VIP and WS and PPv2
crisp pecan
WS is shit and normal VIP is shit
rotund mason
WS is just
if you like CS it's fun for you
if you hate CS then it's shit
rotund mason
I love CS and I hate the mode
bald ass ancient
crisp pecan
jackal should not be in the NK bucket
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but imagine the fun
crisp pecan
its basically a modifier
rotund mason
Jackal should really not be in the NK bucket
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its basically a modifier
yeah
rotund mason
it's like throwing vamps in the NK bucket
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a cool ass one
rotund mason
(did not go well btw)
crisp pecan
jackal is good yes
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it's like throwing vamps in the NK bucket
vamps are not jackal
crisp pecan
but like
rotund mason
vamps are not jackal
this is where you are wrong
Vamps like jackal, they change the flow of the game by changing the ratio of evilxtown
when a singular slot has the power to break the list completely
crisp pecan
it would be like if TT could randomly happen in an AA game
good modifier but shitty if it creeps up on you
rotund mason
it would be like if TT could randomly happen in an AA game
if jailor could randomly be TT
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this is where you are wrong
Vamps like jackal, they change the flow of the game...
vamps are cockroaches and cause throwing
rotund mason
vamps are cockroaches and cause throwing
not the point
crisp pecan
a role cant cause throwing
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jackals are the only good form of conversion
crisp pecan
throwing is caused by being a dick
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a role cant *cause* throwing
it literally does
crisp pecan
someone who isnt a thrower wont throw if they get converted
rotund mason
hyper boutta throw the "does a gun kill people?" argument
crisp pecan
only people who are already throwers will throw if they get converted
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they will throw to get converted
crisp pecan
only people who are already throwers
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it is their logic
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and yet its used
rotund mason
hyper coming up with something hol up
crisp pecan
a good person who isnt a thrower isnt going to throw if they get converted
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vamps are the greatest example why live conversion is shit for 90% of sdgs
crisp pecan
I find vampires fun. Many people don't. That's fine. But it is a flat out lie to say they "cause throwing".
rotund mason
I find vampires fun. Many people don't. That's fine. But it is a flat out lie to...
go hyper, tell us that guns dont kill people
crisp pecan
guns are a tool used to kill people
rotund mason
guns are a tool used to kill people
now yell at a gun to kill someone
then when it doesn't you say
crisp pecan
without a bad person behind the gun the gun cant do any harm on its own
rotund mason
"see, guns don't kill people, people kill people"
rotund mason
without a bad person behind the gun the gun cant do any harm on its own
or in front of it too
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...
crisp pecan
and bad people misuse guns to kill people so we should keep the guns out of the hands of ppl who will misuse them
rotund mason
see faketier
crisp pecan
bringing this full circle
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anyways throwing aside, vamps are basically an infestation you cant get rid off
rotund mason
i am a master
crisp pecan
bringing this full circle
we keep vampires out of the hands of people who dont like them by locking them to NS
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if theyre losing and youre the main reason why they lose then they bite you
rotund mason
@gritty warren i did the thing nuggy
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youre now losing
rotund mason
now you can't say you can't do it
crisp pecan
thanks nuggy
gritty warren
what
gritty warren
Oh I assumed I was getting pinged to pin LOL
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and bad people misuse guns to kill people so we should keep the guns out of the ...
couldnt we just remove the guns out of every civies hands
crisp pecan
you could yes but tons of people use them for legal purposes
hunting, self defense, collecting, etc
as long as you are a safe gun owner its fine
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then they should go through the same paperwork hell that one does to talk to the dmv
crisp pecan
oh yeah guns need to be regulated more
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as long as you are a safe gun owner its fine
and hows that gonna be regulated
crisp pecan
its way too easy for bad people to get their hands on them
rotund mason
i like how i just wanted to prove a point for nuggy and now this is gun law debate
crisp pecan
and hows that gonna be regulated
background tests
mandatory gun safety training
motivation for owning a gun
no criminal record
etc
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background tests
mandatory gun safety training
motivation for owning a gun
no cr...
weekly checks
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also mandatory therapy sessions
rotund mason
background tests
mandatory gun safety training
motivation for owning a gun
no cr...
so same as here
but a little less
well
a lot less
crisp pecan
i have this really old gun that im not even sure if it could fire anymore cause of rust and shit
but i keep it unloaded and in a safe
i dont keep ammo in the house or anything
I do have a bow and arrow but i could do no real damage with that
rotund mason
if i want to have a gun over here an army personell comes to check it every semester to renovate your papers and check the gun's state, etc etc
rotund mason
or i could buy one in the black market
crisp pecan
I dont support flat outlawing of firearms
rotund mason
or i could buy one in the black market
South America moment
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I dont support flat outlawing of firearms
either outlawing or hell to get hands on and keep is fine with me
rotund mason
if i want to have a gun over here an army personell comes to check it every seme...
oh yeah you also can't have guns if you live in a big city
crisp pecan
also, looking at prohibition as an example, its easier to regulate something if the government has control over its distribution
rotund mason
also, looking at prohibition as an example, its easier to regulate something if ...
the Moonshine factories
and the funny mafiaman
crisp pecan
fyi gabb prohibition was from 1920 to 1932 when all alchohol was illegal (in case you dont know as a non-american)
rotund mason
fyi gabb prohibition was from 1920 to 1932 when all alchohol was illegal (in cas...
yeah i know
crisp pecan
oh yeah most countries learn more about other countries; the US has a shit foreign history program
rotund mason
oh yeah most countries learn more about other countries; the US has a *shit* for...
we also learned about trustbusting
Theodore Roosevelt goes brrr
crisp pecan
lmao
rotund mason
oh yeah also that one time the president got 360 no scoped
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that coven vip has invincible defense
