#Socialite -> Mystic fixup attempt

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fresh perch
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Would a pirate make a link unsuccessful?

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and what would happen if coven are linked to eachother, do they talk to coven regularly or are they isolated to just coven?

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what about coven v town interactions, i like the idea of isolating coven from being able to coordinate with eachother (i.e., one coven linked to a townie)

rancid crescent
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Even if socialite can't see the chat, it can still do self confirmation

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Just say to the town "I link player a with player b N2"

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Especially if it link confirmed tpows with someone else

sly geyser
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That's not as big of a problem though

polar cave
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continuing the trend of making TS confirmable as all fuck, i see

rancid crescent
polar cave
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"this player is either confirmed or this one specific evil with a near-identical ability"

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is a shit way to balance things

rancid crescent
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I know

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But that's how they balance tavern and retributionist

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By giving them counterpart

charred plank
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Well no, necromancer came first and ret can usually be faked for some time unless early night deaths don’t stack up well

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Ideally only tav/poisoner and i guess LO/wildling keep the dichotomy because it becomes so much easier to solve specific slots otherwise

rancid crescent
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TS is a tricky spot, you either rework it to be easily confirmed or nerf it to be near useless

sly geyser
glad urchin
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Nah its Hyper you are talking to, come on xd

sly geyser
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Forgot posting ideas here isn't productive since feedback that isn't hyper tier is impossible to come by

fresh perch
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I do agree with the sense that the role is very easily confirmable

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give this to a judge too

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let’s judge and evils coordinate

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or let’s judge anonymously mess with townies

charred plank
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Ehhhh
I just don’t think tos is a game that uses mystic well at all

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Mystic barely worked in tol

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And even then a lot of mystics would just surgically attach themselves to the prince for confirmation

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Tos, with even shorter night phases, will almost certainly derive less value from a mystic conversation than tol mystic would

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Also to be frank while I actually do prefer “choose 2 players and link them” over “you talk to another player”
I… don’t think it fixes anything in the end.

forest bear
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This is an interesting way of going about it. My only issue is that the talks are very "free" because you can do them every night with literally no risk and this is a TS that will require a Coven role to get a copy of this ability so it's not hard confirmed.

So, this isn't saying you're objectively wrong, but I had a different take on it personally. I think the mindlinked players should be anonymous, and only TT Mystic / or Coven version should be able to link themselves.

Either way.. Connection is a horrible idea for regular Socialite because it will be used to say "hey its me here" and that's kind of it. I see where you might want a second ability but it needs to be fake claimable, and it can't have a brand new Coven role, you'd need to stitch the power onto an existing one to prevent a useless Coven situation.

So, try to think of a Coven role whose power is unassuming and doesn't already have a day ability. Illusionist's hysteria ability makes him off the table for instance.

fresh perch
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hot take

charred plank
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See the problem with “just give a random evil the same ability!” Is twofold.

  1. As soon as that evil dies or is otherwise revealed to not be in play, you’re back to square one.
  2. Only one role being able to fake a specific role, unsurprisingly, isn’t that fun! Especially if that role cannot spawn! And no, you’re not faking this socialite as anything else. 2 targets every single day? Nahhh

This ignores the fact that the ability itself is mid at best and useless at worst for coven if they do not plan to claim socialite soooooo

fresh perch
forest bear
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This is a horrendous take because Wildling is the same way. But I do agree that maybe adding a cool down might be nice?

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Wildling/Agent are just required for the game to function unless you want to delete Lookout

charred plank
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Believe it or not, no I do not particularly enjoy the fact that lookout and tracker are obnoxious to fake as things that are not wildling or PB

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But also wildling contributes to the team with its ability even if they do not wish to fake these roles!

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So, it has a reason to exist beyond that

forest bear
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You straight up did not read what I said then

charred plank
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It’s not that strong.

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I know that

forest bear
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Because I said you HAVE to stitch it to an existing role, because link minds as an entire Coven role would suck.

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Giving that power is literally solely to make Socialite not broken

charred plank
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Even if you stitch it to an existing role, remember that this ability will (extremely likely) see no use beyond claiming socialite.

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That is a bandaid at best

forest bear
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Yes, but just use your other powers?? Or just don't link minds if you don't want to?

charred plank
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I know!

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I’m saying no it doesn’t really fix the problem with socialite being hyperconfirmable

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Its a bandaid to the fix yes

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But as I have outlined earlier

forest bear
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Why are you complaining then? This is literally the only way it can happen.

charred plank
charred plank
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Which I think I have outlined?

sly geyser
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Socialite simply won't return anyway. There isn't gonna be a rework that "fixes it" in the way people want

charred plank
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Yeah
Yeah I get it

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I’m not hung up over it

forest bear
# charred plank Answer: I do not like this rework

Okay, so let me continue with my constructive feedback in peace? This is realistically in the case that it ever does get added. And I want to take my time and think because Raki has had good ideas before.

charred plank
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I’m sorry for trying to strike up debate then?

sly geyser
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You may be able to tell this was just thrown up as I didn't even spell this correctly

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Socialite -> Mystic fixup attempt

charred plank
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Oh

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Lmaoo

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Anyway uh
This would probably be a pretty cool role in a different game

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A more social game

sly geyser
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perhaps a game built on a throne

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maybe one filled with lies

charred plank
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Ignoring the fact mystic still kinda sucked there

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Maybe

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(Its converts couldn’t fake it 😹)

forest bear
charred plank
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I missed the modtalk

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Whats illu getting

sly geyser
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You can watch the vod right

charred plank
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Yeah but im laaaaaaaaazy

sly geyser
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Skip to about 15-20 minutes in

fresh perch
sly geyser
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Actually do like 25 since curt was hungy

rancid crescent
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You can't bring ToL roles here, because ToL is a conversion game. Being easy confirmed doesn't mean you're good

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Even king isn't confirmed

sly geyser
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that's why the cabal idea exists

charred plank
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Mystic managed to be an easy confirm funny enough, once again its converts couldn’t fake it

forest bear
charred plank
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Oh
Yeah
Makes sense

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Anyway

fresh perch
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illu would make all ti info wrong

charred plank
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I have actually played with roles like this on the forum mafia environment (it was a forumified version of tol)
They are baller in the correct setup!

sly geyser
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illu making the seer see 2 coven as enemies and getting one killed and one confirmed anyway:

charred plank
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Isn’t that just normal illu

sly geyser
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notice the anyway

charred plank
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Fair enough

charred plank