Vigilante Nerf - Ast

[tough wadi]

2 bullets is kind of similar to the whole "two executions debate"

If you nerf it to 2, it might as well be 1, so why even bother touching it

[warped sun]

Nah because Vigi shouldn't have the killing power as Jailor.

[tough wadi]

Right but in a game of SS or TT, if Vigi gets two shots off and knows a third coven, the game is already over regardless. I don't see the issue but it's not a hill I would die on either way.

Yes, the scenarios called: The balanced game modes that the whole game is balanced around.

I was just saying that I don't particularly care if Vigi gets nerfed or not, I just don't see why this would be such a huge priority

[quartz hinge]

I fucking hate this argument, it's just a numbers tweak

It takes like, 5 minutes to do and overall makes things better

Also with vigi, alot of the time people just random shoot with their last bullet

[wanton pier]

I still dont like hangman but 2 bullets is good

[tough wadi]

Well I'm not dead set on it. I think Curtis is right that it just seems pointless to me.

People don't random shoot with the last bullet unless they want to die.

[quartz hinge]

It's fine without secret killers but I despise it with secret killers

I want town to a point where you can actually fake claim every town role that isn't TPow as any evil role

[wanton pier]

^

[spare remnant]

Because it reduces the skill ceiling

Also it would absolutely affect roles like Retributionist which is necessary

[calm merlin]

anyone that thinks nerfing either vigi or jailor to 2 kills wouldnt do anything is blind

[spare remnant]

I mean I can undestand the argument of "it wouldn't do much at all since Vigilante rarely lives to use all 3 bullets"

But it still affects Vigilante when it does live on to be able to use that third bullet

And as I mentioned earlier it affects Retributionist/Necromancer as well

[quasi drift]

3 shots is fine but get rid of the delayed hangman. It makes TP testing too easy.

[spare remnant]

Does that mean remove hangman entirely?

[calm merlin]

ideally it would be, yeah

[spare remnant]

I asked them but

[tough wadi]

Right. People have to understand I'm not saying "NOOOoooO Vigi needs his three bullets!"

I just don't care. The game is over before the third bullet is used or he dies typically.

[silver fulcrum]

No fucking hangman

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Any of those

Are better

Pick your poison

[tough wadi]

I only see getting rid of hangman entirely as a valuable choice if secret killers is mandated everywhere.

[brave bane]

@tough wadi has leveled up! (34 ➜ 35)

[quasi magnet]

this vigi "nerf" sucks ass sorry but instead of even removing hangman he just removes a bullet

atleast remove hangman exchange for a bullet

[quasi magnet]

litteraly any of these are 10x better than this bro
this suggestion only has 1 less bullet and still same hangman penalty

while these you sent dont

[silver fulcrum]

Which it should be

If not why don’t we make a No Hangman modifier