#The Grave Keeper - Neutral Pariah

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unique plover
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Role : Grave Keeper
Alignment : Neutral - Pariah

⚔️Attack : None
🛡️ Defense : Etherial

Abilities:
*** Spiritual connections ***: You may speak to the non-town dead during the night

*** Grave rob (3 casts)***: Attempt to hide someone's corpse. If you visit someone who dies the same night, you will hide what killed them as well as their role and will. Additionally, if you visit someone who kills someone else the same night, you will instead hide their victim's corpse.

John went missing last night
We could not find a body, they are presumed dead.

*** Soul swap (One cast)*** : Sacrifice yourself by giving your life to another. Target a non-town evil that is currently in the graveyard to swap your soul with. You will die and your target will presume your identity.
(Alternative idea : Soul Swap instead turns your role into the role you select, you will still have your NP goals but now you can use that role's abilities)

Attributes:

  • If you Grave Rob a person who kills someone and dies the same night, you will hide both victim's corpses
  • You will know the roles of the people you hide
  • People you soul swap with will keep their original role. If they have a faction, that faction will be notified about their returning member

I'm not the best at role balancing nor am i the most creative person so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

static vault
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why would you soul swap?

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also

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is medusa cs combo

unique plover
static vault
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can it win while dead?

unique plover
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yes, every NP can

static vault
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oh

muted gyro
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uhh

static vault
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I was audi and death happened and I lost

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so like

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maybe bug

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idk

unique plover
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think that's a bug but idk

unique plover
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Well,

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Actually I forgot what I was about to say

sullen lodge
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Eh seems kinda meh.

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Soul swap could be good but in the end you would be better off with a judge that could’ve prevented the lynch that killed the evil all together

bitter vector
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I like the idea, but I'm not sure on soul swap....

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It's a nice callback to old retri, but I'm not sure it fits.

outer stratus
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Not a fan of the Soul Swap ability, it also seems a bit complex to implement, but I like the Grave Rob ability. The potential to take roles like Vigi, Cleric, and Trickster from the grabby hands of a Retri could be huge for evils in a tough spot.

A simpler version of this could be that you just visit a corpse in the graveyard at night and remove it from the game, though this would negatively effect Necro too so coven might not have much incentive to keep you around if they have a Necro.

empty hedge
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imo the soul swap ability should give you the role, but not faction, of one of the dead

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(because ppl dc too much to make it consistent)

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maybe you could also make it give the faction but that would be very strong

merry gale
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This has all of the problems of Medium, Old retributions and very old disguiser.

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Spiritual Connections is an incentive to not let people dc, it makes dead players matter. This was not liked so medium is not in ToS2

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Soul Swap is even more powerful than old retri. The fact that you can get extremely powerful roles back into the game is already concerning (and I do not even mention transformed Neutral Apocs), but they being not outed to town as coming back to life is definitely broken. Especially if the Grave Keeper refuses to hide bodies and silently revives a evil without town knowing.

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Soul Swap also has the problem of giving evil players an incentive to just not leave the game after dying, which is again, bad and unwanted.

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But the nail in the coffin is that Soul Swap has the same problem with old disguiser: The guy you revived might start calling racial slurs, and that will get YOU reported.

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The fact that people has to think if a person being toxic is the guy himself or maybe, just maybe, an evil from graveyard revived, is definitely can't be in the game.

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Otherwise, a NP that can hide role and cause of death is a cool idea.

empty hedge
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there is also the problem of soul swap killing the user

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like genuinly

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who would want to ever use it

merry gale
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I'm okay with an Neutral Pariah idea where NP can sacrifice their lifes do something

unique plover
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elaborate

empty hedge
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your role gets changed into the dead role

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but you are still a NP

merry gale
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No, your role doesn't change into another role.

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You die, you go to dead chat, and an evil from dead chat becomes alive as you with his faction goals and his role abilities

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This is fine because NP can win while dead and its goal is for town to lose

empty hedge
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i was making a suggestiong

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then ellaborating

merry gale
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I see, my mistake

empty hedge
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because forcing ppl to not dc kinda sucks

unique plover
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that could work