Dreamweaver Buff (1.0) | BetterTOS2 | Page 1

red frigate Feb 3, 2024, 8:21 AM

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I think its fairly powerful

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and I like this

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not sure

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Yea makes dw kinda cool

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i think this is really good

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:24 AM

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i hate insanity

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still terrible

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justifying it by saying its rare is not a justification

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it just makes it objectively bad

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how is insanity good for coven

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its rng

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it does

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now they cant vote

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:26 AM

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Uh, I endorsed the idea when it did not have the Vanilla ToS2 DW abilities btw

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:26 AM

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this is legitimate the same as vanilla

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they could

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:26 AM

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I don't like the vanilla DW ability at all

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:27 AM

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then you fixed nothing

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you just stamped another ability on it

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:27 AM

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Lumi... We did not agree on this...

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:27 AM

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that fixes nothing

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about dwer

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the problem was insanity

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:27 AM

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Why also revert the dw changes to vanilla ToS2?

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:27 AM

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stamping a new ability as well as not changing the problem abolity

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solves nothing

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yes remove it

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overhaul dwer into something new

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:28 AM

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Make insane people unable to get their role feedback

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and the two new abilities makes it good

red frigate Feb 3, 2024, 8:28 AM

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honestly that might be good

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:29 AM

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one of them is literally just silent witch

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:29 AM

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jagged swift one of them is literally just silent witch

no

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:29 AM

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also yeah sure remove feedback

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:29 AM

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frail knot no

talking bout the new ability

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:29 AM

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wait

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:29 AM

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and controlled chaos is terrible

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not to mention ui limitations

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you cant have the special ability tab do 2 things

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you reveal your role

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and due to how rare insanity is

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you wont be able to use it anyways

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:30 AM

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Lumi you forgot to add the Can't control NK's thing btw

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:30 AM

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its way too rare for an insane person to happen

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:30 AM

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It should have been only control "TI's, TP's and TS's"

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:30 AM

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much less live that long

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:30 AM

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jagged swift its way too rare for an insane person to happen

Bro you are doing the same argument...

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:30 AM

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... im talking about controlled chaos

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:31 AM

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It's high risk high reward

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If you have an Insane person it can be gamechanging

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:31 AM

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its an ability youll rarely see in use

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not to mention town can fast vote you

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:31 AM

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and If you can't use it you... can just not use it?

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:31 AM

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since yaknow

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you revealed

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:32 AM

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frail knot and If you can't use it you... can just not use it?

whats the point of having an ability that youll rarely get to use

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:32 AM

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Other roles can also be fast voted

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:32 AM

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coven already wins 3v3

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endgames are inherently evil sided

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:33 AM

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these arguments are terrible, there is no problem with an early dreamweaver reveal in a big survivor count like 10-12 if it gives temp majority

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:33 AM

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voodoo Master, conj, staying silent

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:33 AM

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Controlled Chaos is good

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it is a high risk high reward buff. You can snowball with your majority with that one day temp maj

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:34 AM

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this doesnt seem like a great rework

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:34 AM

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In your opinion*

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:34 AM

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im still on the side that dwer should be scrapped as a cov role

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and returns as a neutral or something

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again, not that great

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:35 AM

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Say its a buff and still change the night ability

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fuck with him

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lol

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:36 AM

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there isnt enough space in coven for dwer it should be scrapped from coven

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:36 AM

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Lumi you should edit the things to "No feedback, can only control TI, etc." and get feedback from someone other that him

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lol

grand aspen Feb 3, 2024, 8:37 AM

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I agree

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:37 AM

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If more people agree with DW being scrapped, then tell it to curtis and make him agree to scrapping it

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:38 AM

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grand aspen I agree

Did you read the other comments or did you just read the unedited idea?

grand aspen Feb 3, 2024, 8:38 AM

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vmer just does dreamweaver's job 4x better

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:38 AM

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curtis wants to overhaul dw into something else

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whatever it is i wanna see

grand aspen Feb 3, 2024, 8:38 AM

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i dont think dw in its current form is salvageable

jagged swift Feb 3, 2024, 8:39 AM

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but until i see a good dwer overhaul i will want it removed from coven

frail knot Feb 3, 2024, 8:39 AM

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jagged swift curtis wants to overhaul dw into something else

Well, then that means its either this, another idea getting submitted or curtis's own idea

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NOOO

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The thing we talked about is overhaul though

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You should edit the manipulate change to below the manipulate ability

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People will get confused lol

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The you can't manipulate NKs etc. text is below Controlled Chaos ability

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Cut it from below Controlled Chaos and add it to below Manipulate ability

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One more thing

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Now that dreamweaver reveals and acts like a pseudo-mayor, you should remove "Votes only go through when timer ends" part

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