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#RiR Thread 4 - BTOS2 Official Edition
patent magnet
scarlet palm
But like, all the flavors mix together and would prob just end up tasting like AB+
proper marten
I mean, mixing water and butter doesnt give you milk
real peak
But like, all the flavors mix together and would prob just end up tasting like A...
actually if we use stupid ass math (as in we use math but in a stupid way)
we'll get a result of 3A2B
A + B + A(B-) + A(B+) + O - O
(in this case B- + B+ = B)
upper meteor
Based
I'm putting it in.
real peak
patent magnet
THE GRAIN IS GOING TO KILL ME OML
upper meteor
What program do you even use for these? I feel the grain can't be intentional
patent magnet
What program do you even use for these? I feel the grain can't be intentional
IBIS paint + Backround Erase
real peak
THE GRAIN IS GOING TO KILL ME OML
The grain knows your every move. For you cannot run, you cannot escape it. The grain is inevitable.
patent magnet
Usually I save the image on my phone for most of these so some could just be lazily erased by the people that put them up on google
Or sometimes the screen is fully white and I have to erase it manually
patent magnet
what is it?
upper meteor
It's Google images
real peak
https://tenor.com/view/minesweeper-nostalgia-gif-16752083715641946691
It's right behind you.
upper meteor
That is the problem
upper meteor
Wow
I was going to send a few helpful links but actually hold on
Here is the TOS2 press kit, BetterTOS2 press kit, Every single PSD file Mystic has ever used, and the design guide for Role Icon Recolors
Here: #1201509914984587335 message
upper meteor
Wow
You should find the actual image in there, please do not use Google images and remove.bg to get the icon
I dont think the grain is even your fault, it's the images
You might have to do that again or get creative, but I do like the design
tranquil kindle
concept for vamp plaguebearer or famine: mosquito
PB because. malaria. and mosquitos are blood-drinkers
famine because bugs. and mosquitos are. bugs
patent magnet
You should find the actual image in there, please do not use Google images and r...
Heya alr so I think I used one of the tav bases from here for a recolor (was yours) and added abit of tweaking to it
The blood types are abit more spaced out because of the size of the blood drop btw
upper meteor
Looks good
I wonder if the red color could be altered a bit since it does look a bit similar to the Apoc color
upper meteor
Someone needs to make Vampire Tracker use echolocation like a bat
upper meteor
Vampires also have superhuman senses too so it's also possible
kindred spire
gray mentions
upper meteor
I like the idea that the Vampires just took the dog and gave him away
upper meteor
Yeah
They might be pure evil
And they might hate Wolves and all relatives to wolves
but they just gave him away
rotund slate
better giving him away than something worse
crystal zenith
Vampires also have superhuman senses too so it's also possible
Do they?
I don’t think super senses have ever been associated with vampires
Their traditional powers are usually just bat shapeshifting, blood sucking, and strength/speed
Or flight but that’s less common
upper meteor
They can see well in the dark
full vector
They can see well in the dark
isnt that an echolocation thing with bats
crystal zenith
They can see well in the dark
I suppose those are just bat powers
Not really super senses in the traditional sense
narrow quest
Does anyone remember what the hex color for ToS1 Plaguebearer was?
small lotus
CFFE61
small lotus
7B8968
tranquil kindle
I don’t think super senses have ever been associated with vampires
night vision & some kind of blood detection are pretty common actually
upper meteor
I considered it. I'm still out of commission right now but it should take only 5 minutes if you'd like to
(I think it's a splendid idea for monstrous versions of Tracker to give away the dog to a more loving family.)
tranquil kindle
something something
hybrid arch
(I think it's a splendid idea for monstrous versions of Tracker to give away the...
ww tracker IS the dog now
manic joltBOT
@hybrid arch has leveled up! (13 ➜ 14)
tranquil kindle
ww tracker IS the dog now
correct. that's why it SNEEFs you
hybrid arch
ww tracker is just an ouppy dog running up to you and sniffing very loudly
Nothing else just ouppy
upper meteor
ww tracker IS the dog now
Compliance TT Tracker is when your dog looks at you and says "No one will ever believe you." and then never speaks again.
rotund slate
ww tracker IS the dog now
supplanting the dog is crazy
narrow quest
I was watching Tuba streams and noticed Mass Hysteria lacks an icon
tranquil kindle
idk if tuba uses RiR
hybrid arch
iirc he said he will once it is complete/bug free
upper meteor
I was watching Tuba streams and noticed Mass Hysteria lacks an icon
I drew something myself a while ago but it might not be in the github for whatever reason.
I'm not the only person who makes github pushes, so either someone deleted it off of there, or I was too sleep deprived.
It's not perfect anyhow.
narrow quest
:O
I definitely don't see it in the github
Rather than digging though the files you've sent could you show it again?
I wanna see
oh is it this one?
upper meteor
Rather than digging though the files you've sent could you show it again?
It is this.
upper meteor
oh is it this one?
That was a placeholder I added but it's literally just Inquire but made purple.
remote vessel
oh is it this one?
this icon fucks ngl
narrow quest
it's also obviously a placeholder
upper meteor
this icon fucks ngl
It's just one of Nuggy's icons cut in half.
upper meteor
not very ideal.
upper meteor
ChatGPT just said "Hey use the Insomniac icon" look at suggestion 2
narrow quest
Yeah lmao
To be fair
I didn’t tell it that icon already existed
They also had a broken mirror
narrow quest
:D
narrow quest
It was a good strategy, alright?
visual zealot
I think either the Joker or smth else along that line
Illu being a Magician and all that
I think I like it being a Joker
narrow quest
oooooooh
OK but like
One thing that immediately strikes me as odd is that
The Joker represents Jester more than Illusionist.
How about the Ace of Spades?
Or the Queen of Hearts?
remote vessel
i fw queen of hearts
hybrid arch
Two jokers
ones jest the others illu /j
visual zealot
I just like the Joker more because it feels more fitting for mass hysteria tho
remote vessel
illu already kinda has mad hatter vibes
visual zealot
tbh
visual zealot
Queen of hearts makes somewhat sense
narrow quest
Or a tarot card
tarot cards are more detailed and difficult to put on a 256px space
hybrid arch
true :(
visual zealot
I want something easily recognizable as "Magician"
hybrid arch
okay how about a draw four-
visual zealot
I think a QoH or a Joker is good
hybrid arch
Whatever you make im definent- HEY I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT!
I was gonna make an easter egg of it being a flip card :P
visual zealot
I'll get to drawing rn but my chromebook is dead
smh
how big are icons
256x256?
If i recall?
narrow quest
yes
visual zealot
alr
violet citrus
how big are icons
256x256?
yes, but it's not actually required. does make a lot of things much easier, tho, especially considering what details can get unknowingly lost when shrunk down
-# gestures at Pandora
visual zealot
it's so hard to work purple into a white-and-black-and-red card 😭
upper meteor
yes, but it's not actually required. does make a lot of things much easier, tho,...
It's way better than the last set of icons giving me eye disease.
It works for me and it's fun.
upper meteor
it's so hard to work purple into a white-and-black-and-red card 😭
Looks like UNO reverse it is, surely.
violet citrus
It's way better than the last set of icons giving me eye disease.
ofc, but it's still tiny details that r easy to lose
upper meteor
I don't think it's a problem.
violet citrus
it was more of a suggestion, rlly. as long as it looks ok in game it doesn't matter what size it is or what details r lost, rlly. it's just lost details r wasted work and higher res is harder performance and more work
upper meteor
Well, I'm just going to disagree with that . Nova and I worked really hard on these and we like what we did. That is what matters.
The details aren't wasted because we're having fun. Not to mention that I can literally see them on my monitor in-game.
violet citrus
good point
visual zealot
I think
hybrid arch
Yeah even if the details arent very noticeable i like adding them
fun for me and everyone in the thread who sees them
visual zealot
hmm
upper meteor
hmm
visual zealot
Does this look good enough?
I deviated from the "Queen" but it'll be fine
I just liked the idea of hiding the sil in there
:P
upper meteor
What if the Queen was replaced with ? and the suit was Crescent moons?
upper meteor
That sounds great.
upper meteor
It feels like it deviates too far
there's nothing wrong with a custom playing card is there?
Check behind your ear.
remote vessel
i fw this heavy
upper meteor
That's great.
patent magnet
Holy that goes so hard
narrow quest
there's nothing wrong with a custom playing card is there?
I mean, it needs to convey the point
narrow quest
Does this look good enough?
I deviated from the "Queen" but it'll be fine
I just...
I think this one should be the main one
kindred spire
i like the second more
narrow quest
Ah yes, my favorite
The bunny of moons.
I could see making the heart of the original one purple to make it more coveny
upper meteor
The Illusionist of Coven. It's not like we turned it into a Charmander.
narrow quest
Bruh.
You get the point though, right?
It’s not just any old card being conveyed here but a specific card, a highly recognizable one
kindred spire
I still personally like the Moonbunny card
narrow quest
The design in the middle already does a lot to separate it from standard playing cards
Changing the suit and rank to something completely different turns the whole symbolism into spaghetti.
narrow quest
With face cards alone you have 12 combinations to choose from, and nothing prevents you from doubling up
upper meteor
You get the point though, right?
It’s not just any old card being conveyed here ...
It's a special card.
I think you're looking too hard into it. Besides, this is usually the part where Nexus says you wouldn't see it anyway, right?
violet citrus
ik of multiple decks that change the suits. very few change the ranks too since its so hard to do another jack-queen-king deal, but even so just 12 face cards is an understatement when the suits can be literally anything we want. we can even go with the karnöffel suits if we wanted to
narrow quest
That only works with the context of the whole deck, which we don’t have
Since this is just one icon
violet citrus
just a single card, and just a single illusionist. what's it matter considering a whole deck?
narrow quest
Because the icon most people want to be the base one has very little grounding it to the specific card that it was supposed to convey
The original version had that connection by being the same rank and suit
violet citrus
perhaps the bunny should b a Q for queen, but the suit should stay imo
upper meteor
But why Queen and not a 5?
violet citrus
face cards are more recognizable, but for that case I'd either do a jack, joker, or specifically the king of hearts (sometimes called the suicide king)
upper meteor
I like the bunny.
violet citrus
me too, but mystic has a point against it. the suit tho as i said can b practically anything
and besides, an illu bunny is a perfect easter egg
rotund slate
this is cute
visual zealot
I like the Moonbunny card
and it's staying that way :P
upper meteor
I like the Moonbunny card
and it's staying that way :P
Somebody gets it. My man.
visual zealot
The Illusionist of Coven. It's not like we turned it into a Charmander.
this is exactly why i made it that way
bc it's a coven-aligned illus
changing the sult shouldn't be too hard either
esp if I send a (slightly corrupted) PSD file of the icon here
narrow quest
Damn, I was hoping that Nexus would at least get y’all to reach a compromise
To get SOME of that old conveyance back
violet citrus
another thing to keep in mind is not every1 that uses this mod (in its finished state) will hav any idea what goes down in these 2 channels so we wanna keep it recognizable. perhaps the illu icon is recognizable, but on a playing card a J, Q, K, or A is more recognizable
upper meteor
Yeah, it's great as is, don't worry about it.
Whoops, message delay from internet being spotty.
narrow quest
Great. I definitely feel heard. /s
hybrid arch
Personally i also like moonbunny. it makes other factions easier
I think it being a playing card is already recognizeable enough. If it does have to be changed, the Q can return (celestial factions agenda GO !!!)
Mystic i get why you want the original suite/symbol but im not quite sure why youre upset
rotund slate
Does this look good enough?
I deviated from the "Queen" but it'll be fine
I just...
I'd rather it be this (with Q above heart as it should be)
The bunny doesn't mean anything
It just looks cute but there's no real need
narrow quest
Mystic i get why you want the original suite/symbol but im not quite sure why yo...
Because I’m seeing an issue and then basically getting told “nah we’re not doing anything about it” even when other people have recognized that I have a point
That’s frustrating
hybrid arch
I get that but its not "nah were not doing anything", at least not to me. Your problem was that it was unrecognizable. The argument was that it was recognizable as Illu + Coven and a playing card, which was enough.
(Im not trying to discount you, btw. i am genuinely confused.)
upper meteor
But other people can make the decisions they want. I'm just stating an opinion, wouldn't it be fair to leave it up to harry when he's the one who drew it?
It's not the end of the world. Gradient hell is the end of the world!
violet citrus
gradient hell argument only applies when we're actually dealing with gradient hell. we're dealing with an entirely absent icon
upper meteor
I was naming an example of something that is the end of the world.
Which is not this!
visual zealot
btw If you don't like it, edit it yourself.
I like the Illus as is and ain't changing it
^ @upper meteor here's the PSD you asked for btw
idk if it's corrupted tho
last time i did this it apprently was
oh yeah that's defo corrupted
:P
upper meteor
I want to see about making an Apoc version, so I'll give it a look and see if I can get it right. Might need to take a few shortcuts here and there but let's see what we're workin with
OH.
Yeah this is borked Lol
visual zealot
Yeah this is borked Lol
Ik why
hol up
it's not exporting clipping masks
layer 11 clips to layer 6
upper meteor
You might have to flatten those out for the PSD, perhaps
visual zealot
no, ik why
krita doesn't support layer masks the same way photoshop does
i think
so since Magma is exporting for photoshop
it breaks clipping masks for krita
upper meteor
I see, I see. Hm...
visual zealot
You might have to flatten those out for the PSD, perhaps
I'll try to figure this out and then send it here
upper meteor
No problem dude, appreciate the extra consideration!
visual zealot
something krita-friendly
rotund slate
man why is recolors so argumentative rn it’s just pictures
upper meteor
Flattening the clipping masks would allow me to open it properly, but I'm not sure if Magma can export to an open format to preserve the clipping masks.
Like, merging 11 and 6 for instance would likely do the trick.
visual zealot
man why is recolors so argumentative rn it’s just pictures
IK
it's literally pictures
It's my art, I get to decide what to draw
so like
if you don't like it, edit it yourself
why are we so angry at eachother
gosh we sound like 3 year olds for goodness sake
visual zealot
Flattening the clipping masks would allow me to open it properly, but I'm not su...
I think I got it, actually
I'm directly editing inside krita
hybrid arch
I want to see about making an Apoc version, so I'll give it a look and see if I ...
uh. Whoops!
hybrid arch
I hadnt even looked in here when i did that
upper meteor
I'm directly editing inside krita
Oh, you downloaded that for me? I really appreciate it man!
visual zealot
:P
visual zealot
I hadnt even looked in here when i did that
LOL
visual zealot
Oh, you downloaded that for me? I really appreciate it man!
I had it already installed for over like 4 months now :P
I just never bothered to learn it
upper meteor
uh. Whoops!
That looks so great! If I had one thing I would have done, I would have replaced the Illu icon with a Scythe or a Grimoire.
Kinda gives a bit of structure, like he's working under the deception apoc.
Still, this is more than good itself and doesn't require any change
visual zealot
fortunately for you, google exists and I could find how to fix it
visual zealot
btw If you don't like it, edit it yourself.
I like the Illus as is and ain't cha...
also @narrow quest if you wanna change it here's the file
go ahead
visual zealot
<@472347153889493003> this should work
if you use krita here's the krita-friendly version
hybrid arch
That looks so great! If I had one thing I would have done, I would have replaced...
I considered changing the icon, but considering its representative of the role, i like keeping it the bnuuy
upper meteor
That works out!
kindred spire
uh. Whoops!
imo this seems more factionless than coven/apoc
upper meteor
Np, I'll slot that one in for the next push
Apoc Hysteria, we move
hybrid arch
imo this seems more factionless than coven/apoc
How?
Its red and has a sun, both apoc symbols
violet citrus
imo this seems more factionless than coven/apoc
i can see that, tho the red shows it's apoc. there do exist black-backed cards if it could help out
tho considering vamp I'd use black-backed for vamp instead of apoc
more a case of possibility for changing the background if the white is too much
violet citrus
How?
Its red and has a sun, both apoc symbols
it's very muted, typical of factionless. unfortunately that's more a consequence of the original being muted as is so not much we can rlly do without straying away
hybrid arch
Ah, fair
violet citrus
face cards are more recognizable, but for that case I'd either do a jack, joker,...
i doubt it'll ever b possible but just in case i already claim the suicide king for jester-aligned illu, for obvious reasons
the joker is more representative of the jester themselves, ofc, but still
visual zealot
it's very muted, typical of factionless. unfortunately that's more a consequence...
we could potentially slightly tint the card to make it stand out a little
violet citrus
like enchanter's crane? sounds good
also more merit for vamp illu to hav a black card where every other illu has white
narrow quest
Jackal tho
narrow quest
we could potentially slightly tint the card to make it stand out a little
also you could crank the saturation on other details like the ?
or the suit
e.g.
transparency fail
violet citrus
i see that Q. as much as both of us want a letter instead of a bunny, it seems we're outvoted
kindred spire
what im thinking for the cards is to maybe give it a light purple tint, similar to Coven Baker
neon dust
I feel like changing the suit is the way to go ngl
narrow quest
to what
violet citrus
it'd be lighter generally
more like ench
neon dust
violet citrus
i mean playing cards usually aren't colorful
ofc, but we've done a lot of creative liberties already (purple burlap sack baker?) so i don't see an issue doing the same for cards
narrow quest
right is tinted
rotund slate
right is tinted
oh actually the tint isnt that bad
narrow quest
i was really conservative with it
rotund slate
thats fair
neon dust
right is tinted
legit can't see the difference, but I think it's an eyesight issue on my end
narrow quest
hmm
violet citrus
i can see a difference, but it took me a moment to even notice
neon dust
On my other monitor tho the difference is visible
narrow quest
i just realized i borked there's another layer that's white that i needed to fix
neon dust
I think they are both good? They aren't different enough to be compared imo
narrow quest
more tints i guess
visual zealot
-# Sometimes the minority opinion is right
yes, you're right
not this time though
visual zealot
more tints i guess
i think if we're tinting things it should probs be a desaturated tone tbh
also I see that Q
violet citrus
i like #2 (top right). #1 (left) is too absent and #3 (bottom right) is too tinted
narrow quest
yeah someone asked to tint the back of the card
violet citrus
right is tinted
wait... that's the same as the right 1 here, isn't it?
violet citrus
funny how more choices can actually change ur choice without choosing said choices...
narrow quest
oh yea one other thing
visual zealot
i just fixed the Issue™️
the issue is that you're using a Q instead of a Bunny
frfr
neon dust
~~the issue is that you're using a Q instead of a Bunny~~
the urge to put you into an hat and make you disappear is real
violet citrus
~~the issue is that you're using a Q instead of a Bunny~~
we can drop that argument, now.
neon dust
left one looks used, right one looks like it was just bought, I think it depends on if you want illu to buy a pack of cards each day or not
like the left one looks like it sat in their pocket for long enough for the fabric to dye it
narrow quest
That is an interesting notion that I did not expect to get out of that
violet citrus
left one looks used, right one looks like it was just bought, I think it depends...
unfortunately we need some sort of tint to help with the rest of the factions
neon dust
unfortunately we need some sort of tint to help with the rest of the factions
that's not a bad thing at all
oops forgot to disable ping
violet citrus
ofc
neon dust
anyways the tint makes it look like it sat in illu pocket for too long
narrow quest
lmao
narrow quest
oh that's not even the right comparison, oops
violet citrus
sat in the pocket for months waiting on btos2 to allow them to use it
-# /j
narrow quest
These were the ones. Sorry.
neon dust
it's like when you forget a receipt in the pocket of your raincoat and the color of it rubbed off the receipt
hybrid arch
Why are we back to hearts?
rotund slate
sat in the pocket for months waiting on btos2 to allow them to use it
-# /j
illu lore
narrow quest
Nexus asked to tint the back of the card and HJP quite literally told me "if you want it to be different go edit it yourself"
So I did.
narrow quest
wrong guy
violet citrus
Why are we back to hearts?
mystic is using struggle. we can switch it back wen she faints
-# /j pokemon
visual zealot
we can drop that argument, now.
I'm joking :P
neon dust
mystic is using struggle. we can switch it back wen she faints
-# /j pokemon
'tis you?
violet citrus
But still. Kinda dick move bro.
unfortunately we got stubbornness on both sides, and tbh both r warranted
visual zealot
unfortunately we got stubbornness on both sides, and tbh both r warranted
tbh yes
but you're outnumbered :P
narrow quest
can't tell the differance
the difference is in the black lines.
violet citrus
can't tell the differance
the right fixes the border of the sil to b purple instead of green
neon dust
you can notice it easily when swapping between the two
hybrid arch
If youre going to be stubborn on the card can we at least keep the moon?
That keeps a coven symbol and makes it easier for everyone.
I still disagree with the Q fitting but like. I think thats the best compromise if youre really gonna die on this hill
That or we do I for Illusionist.
narrow quest
btw If you don't like it, edit it yourself.
I like the Illus as is and ain't cha...
btw If you don't like it, edit it yourself.
narrow quest
also <@178564767177375746> if you wanna change it here's the file
go ahead
also @narrow quest if you wanna change it here's the file
go ahead
neon dust
just wondering, shouldn't the Q of the coven being the CL?
visual zealot
hehe
narrow quest
It was supposed to be the queen of hearts
narrow quest
just wondering, shouldn't the Q of the coven being the CL?
This confusion is the very reason why I was so against changing the rank and suit to something outside the standard deck in the first place
neon dust
fair
narrow quest
But no, I wasn't right, certainly not.
neon dust
I mean Illu strike me more as an Ace than a Queen ngl
CL is the Queen / King
Both at the same time, because they are that good
rotund slate
Both at the same time, because they are that good
slay
visual zealot
This confusion is the very reason why I was so against changing the rank and sui...
Arguably we won't have to deal the confusion if it wasn't a queen in the first place
I think if we keep one we leave the other as a easter egg
best compromise
i can think of
bc we ain't fighing over this for no reason
it's literally just a letter
upper meteor
But no, I wasn't right, certainly not.
I come back and you're still this pissed off over a letter. I suggest that you take a breath and drink a glass of water.
It's not that deep
hybrid arch
...Wrong chat, buddy?
kindred spire
thank god 2 of the 4 are upstairs .-.
narrow quest
I come back and you're still this pissed off over a letter. I suggest that you t...
It's not about the letter, it's about being summarily ignored and then having something blatantly proving me right happen in broad daylight
hybrid arch
Having your point refuted was not being ignored, and im not sure what you mean by having been proven right.
visual zealot
There's a difference between being blatantly ignored and being the minority, yeah
rotund slate
just wondering, shouldn't the Q of the coven being the CL?
confusion about the symbolism
hybrid arch
just wondering, shouldn't the Q of the coven being the CL?
in fact, i see this as the OPPOSITE of having been proven right.
rotund slate
how?
it's a criticism of the illu in the middle (deviation from card norm) and not the Q
hybrid arch
If the illu is in the middle, then its representative icon is the bunny. Would that not make sense?
rotund slate
it only make sense if we assume in this universe, playing cards look like that at all
which granted, the coven making their own playing cards is funny
but eh
hybrid arch
Why couldnt the illu- yeah
I think itd fair for the illu to have a custom deck (with their own depiction to boot)
visual zealot
If the illu is in the middle, then its representative icon is the bunny. Would t...
I agree to this
hybrid arch
Illusionist making a suit for every major faction (Some cursed shmuck might steal their deck)
visual zealot
unless you want me to draw a queen in the middle
which i'm not
(someone can go do that)
I think we keep the bunny
visual zealot
Illusionist making a suit for every major faction (Some cursed shmuck might stea...
TRUE
Now gotta go make that, darn
frfr
oop
forogt to remove ping
💀
hybrid arch
its ok!
(if you do that, i sent the apoc one so you can tint that and i have pandora in the works so dont worry about that either)
(if you need symbols ive gotchu there too)
violet citrus
Pandora can b a trick card, with a different suit in both corners
especially considering based on the sil its a magician's deck
visual zealot
Pandora can b a trick card, with a different suit in both corners
this actually makes sense
that's
a genius idea
tbh
violet citrus
ofc best to leave Pandora to nova, they definitely cooked hard on them
-# even if we like to poke fun about so much detail getting lost in shrinkage
hybrid arch
Ooh that might be cool. rn its just the eclipse but I do like that idea...
-# its ok <3 poke fun all you want. the detail is for me
violet citrus
Pandora can b a trick card, with a different suit in both corners
hmm... besides a particular Kickstarter deck that has 8 suits to accompany this I can't seem to find any actual examples...
not that it matters, rlly. there's still room for us to do even without a real example
tranquil kindle
could also do a black card, too, just with white or gold instead of red
ok ive mainly kept out of the playing card stuff bc i kinda... don't see what the hell a playing card has to do with mass hysteria, but fine if we're sticking with it,
Black-backed Black suit (spades or clovers) for jackal, black-backed Red suit (hearts or diamonds) for vamp
tranquil kindle
i like this better
visual zealot
ok ive mainly kept out of the playing card stuff bc i kinda... don't see what th...
The reason it started was because it was i brought up the Joker as a potential Icon
as in, like, the Fool card
ppl liked it but then Mystic thought the Joker was too Jester-like
So we changed it to the Queen of hearts
and then i took the liberty of inserting the illus sil into the middle of the card
and then molier asked to change the suit to coven's crescent moon
so i also changed the Q to the bunny
by then we kinda deviated from the original idea
but meh, it works :/
vernal parcel
Summoner
visual zealot
💀
proper marten
omg barrow fog !!!
vernal parcel
omg barrow fog !!!
proper marten
whoa is that fan made
vernal parcel
whoa is that fan made
Yeah
proper marten
its so ominously peaceful
proper marten
I think its the sharpness of the craters, especially at the botm right
like, the same feeling as loud silence
vernal parcel
like, the same feeling as loud silence
But actually
The greatest joy when someone rates your art is "Wow is this fan-made/original"
At least for me
proper marten
no joke tho your tokens look so professional
manic joltBOT
@proper marten has leveled up! (21 ➜ 22)
vernal parcel
I'm high off of pain killers rn
proper marten
You are very good at linework and managing whitespace without overcomplicating
proper marten
I'm high off of pain killers rn
yowch
rotund slate
I'm high off of pain killers rn
Uh oh
lusty dune
man borked his leg
patent magnet
man borked his leg
Hey Fucker sorry for ping but can I use your mayor icon
visual zealot
stealing this for my post too frfr
patent magnet
real
Here's the recolor I just wanted to do I thought it would fit perfect for politician
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That's not Fucker's, it's mine
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¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Here's the recolor I just wanted to do I thought it would fit perfect for politi...
You've changed it enough in yours that I don't have an issue with it
Generally I dislike people using my recolors in their balance/rework posts because the custom icons are part of my style
But the change makes it your own so it's all g
patent magnet
Oki ty!
lusty dune
Hey Fucker sorry for ping but can I use your mayor icon
my what
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misunderstanding, Noah mistook an icon I made for one of yours
also @tranquil kindle i am once again informing you that i made a pull request
(I updated jackal banshee and added tuba's jackal banshee to easter eggs)
tranquil kindle
merged
rotund slate
woooo
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Thanks
kindred spire
the change is quite literally just the Banshee puting on a new shirt lol
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That’s not Tuba’s
Tuba’s was the light skinned one
I did not change the shirt in the update either
kindred spire
The only thing different about JackalBase/Banshee is the shirt
and a slight skin tone change
i noticed the shirt change first
cuz its more noticible
kindred spire
lol
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But the facts don’t lie
kindred spire
The changes:
Banshee decided to get a slight tan and change their shirt
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Well
I just thought the major difference between the lighter and darker skin colors in the icon looked a bit strange
Like it looked as though it was weirdly painted on rather than being cell shaded
The more subtle difference looks nicer
rotund slate
it looks like ti had a saturatgion filter on it
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Funny
neon dust
The only thing different about JackalBase/Banshee is the shirt
I love the hair
rotund slate
yea the streaks are epic
tranquil kindle
went through the vamp github folder. time to get to work
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it looks like ti had a saturatgion filter on it
probably because photoshop sucks and messes with colors sometimes
kindred spire
went through the vamp github folder. time to get to work
erm
LO and Tracker exist
-# Mayor still needs a replacement though
kindred spire
github isnt really up-to-date
tranquil kindle
sounds like someone needs to make some PRs
the github is the source of truth™️
i say this half jokingly but it's way easier to check on github than it is to dig through..... please hold
kindred spire
i did make one, then it got reverted then another was made and then nothing ever came from it
tranquil kindle
a lot of messages
tranquil kindle
i did make one, then it got reverted then another was made and then nothing ever...
this is what my notifs look like
if you mean #50 you closed that one, not me
kindred spire
yea ik i closed it
nothing ever came of it
I do generally have my local copy up-to-date, but some are slightly different (eg Marshal icons using the official icon over Nuggy) and i really do not feel like going through every single asset.
tranquil kindle
the reason we threw out the earlier commit was bc you merged a fuck ton of things at once and screwed over earlier commits that replaced older stuff (i.e. you un-updated stuff)
kindred spire
yea idk why shit got un-updated when like everything was up-to-date
tranquil kindle
shrug. computers be computering
kindred spire
the diff checker isnt helpful either cuz sometimes it doesnt render or it says a file changed when there is literally no change to the asset
violet citrus
like for example
looks like literally nothing
kindred spire
so its literally just github complaining over nothing
violet citrus
tho the "new" version is somehow 26 bytes smaller
kindred spire
tho the "new" version is somehow 26 bytes smaller
im built different
trust
iirc i do have a branch on my fork of the repo which is literally just my local copy
which is flooded with github doing this bs 
violet citrus
tho the "new" version is somehow 26 bytes smaller
went with the GitHub report rather than diffchecker's report for more accuracy. i hav no idea what change can b so small for a 26 byte difference
kindred spire
iirc its likely just a simple "Save image as..." issue
rotund slate
tho the "new" version is somehow 26 bytes smaller
weird
rotund slate
idol?
violet citrus
that's warlock, right?
manic joltBOT
@violet citrus has leveled up! (22 ➜ 23)
warm arch
that's warlock, right?
Ye
patent magnet
Yeah it was made by harry
violet citrus
<@279750244604837898> has leveled up! **(22 ➜ 23)**
stfu tatsu
patent magnet
Rip tatsu
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Discord users on their way to beat up Tatsu in the streets for speaking out of turn:
rotund slate
and proud
vale maple
I hate to do it but idle animation
patent magnet
I hate to do it but idle animation
I just realized and im so mad I cant change it lol
visual zealot
(guys I think CS is winning)
patent magnet
W
visual zealot
also noah, could you send that animation as a gif with a clear background?
can't figure it out, apparently
small lotus
it makes the perfect candidate fro a test silouette for fancy ui
small lotus
can't figure it out, apparently
wat
visual zealot
I alr asked for a clear ver
small lotus
oh
patent magnet
I could try for warlock but alight motion doesnt allow me to use clear backrounds im unsure why
Though I do have a idea in mind
I could greenscreen then clear the BG
visual zealot
I could try for warlock but alight motion doesnt allow me to use clear backround...
also i can't get alight motion on PC
rip
patent magnet
also i can't get alight motion on PC
rip
Heres some progress btw
for context these were redrawn
visual zealot
:D
small lotus
neato
small lotus
made some improvements to both dlls, and now fancy ui supports gif loading :] (still need to get it to load the folder structure tho)
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obligatory testing to see if it doesn't make Mac have a skill issue
seems to be fine
proper marten
seems like windows had a bit of a skill issue 🤔
kindred spire
lol
small lotus
:D
small lotus
we love it when Windows says fuck you
common loonie L frfr
kindred spire
funny enough
it happens to all folders inside the Town of Salem 2 folder
only way to fix it is uh
restarting windows
kindred spire
made some improvements to both dlls, and now fancy ui supports gif loading :] (s...
what improvements
if it aint performance boosts i aint using :3
small lotus
if it makes you happy, yes i did delete some useless loading stuff to improve performance
violet citrus
we love it when Windows says fuck you
there r official Microsoft tools that can tell u what is using it, so u can deal with it
kindred spire
[Error : FancyUI] [09/26/2024 21:24:45] CommunityRecolors was missing
skill issue 
rotund slate
restarting windows
damn
patent magnet
kindred spire
real?
small lotus
i ended up coloring the wrong thing, but it's progress
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is that--
is that why when replays go bad I sometimes see the Tavern Keeper silhouette?
kindred spire
funny to think that the role card default is tav lmao
i knew this lol
small lotus
is that why when replays go bad I sometimes see the Tavern Keeper silhouette?
basically yeah
.....ew
small lotus
yup, just to test lmao
small lotus
curtis
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Because I remember you could change the wood color in that game (on Windows only because fuck Apple)
small lotus
Because I remember you could change the wood color in that game (on Windows only...
yeah you can in tosqol
buoyant crane
oh mygod i've been streaming fo4 for like an hour and a half the wood mods oh my goddddd 
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also hi Kaz
buoyant crane
hi 
small lotus
H
small lotus
hehehe >:D
kindred spire
moment
small lotus
alright got that working
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i demand an option to make the wood one color for the whole UI instead of role-dependent
small lotus
yeah that's the plan
patent magnet
This gives me an idea, since I can't make the bg clear i can just put it into the silo-card idk how that would work though
patent magnet
r u making it a gif? bc what u posted here was a mp4
Yeah I'm making it into a GIF (If the quality wont diminish) but otherwise I'll still try
small lotus
This gives me an idea, since I can't make the bg clear i can just put it into th...
it won't work because i'm going to have to dynamically resize the gif to actually fit in the role card
if the includes the role card then it's gonna be a role card in the role card lmao
patent magnet
ohh alright lmao
proper marten
You can have video with transparency though
I imagine you would need a program capable of outputting transparency
small lotus
i only recognise avi, but that's certainly interesting
me omw to decode videos now too frfr
tranquil kindle
fun gif fact gifs only allow for 256 colors. this includes transparency amounts
small lotus
lmao
small lotus
fun gif fact gifs only allow for 256 colors. this includes transparency amounts
yeah it's because of the color32 rgba system that only allows bytes as values
and bytes range from 0 to 255
y'all can freely test this, rn the colored wood only applies to the role card but hey it works
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It certainly functions, although I'll have to play with the color a bit.
I used #4E300A as the filter color for this. Using this exact filter color with a wooden UI element in Photoshop looks like this
tranquil kindle
finally. dark mode
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I can tell that the method I used in Photoshop and the method the game uses to filter is slightly different
since the one in photoshop is a bit lighter and/or more saturated
proper marten
wonder if a reddish wood would look better with town colour background
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Honestly, I have a pet peeve about the wood in this game being so red
I want a nice chocolatey dark brown
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I have noticed that it's hard to get it as saturated as the sample color I made with photoshop
proper marten
how does it look on normal mode ?
small lotus
since the one in photoshop is a bit lighter and/or more saturated
That's unfortunately because of the wood sprite
narrow quest
how exactly does it change the color, anyways?
small lotus
So basically there's something called a material and a sprite
The sprite is the image that the game renders
The material is the additional stuff that's applied to said sprite, usually to modify the sprite's color in real time
small lotus
hehehe >:D
This is basically what tbe wood looks like when stripped of its material color and set to grayscale (essentially colorless)
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I see.
rotund slate
hehehe >:D
This looks weird
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this was the closest color match I could get to the sample I made in Photoshop
rotund slate
Ig the wood vibe really comes from color
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It's close but still not quite as saturated
and the color I used was 100% saturation
proper marten
this was the closest color match I could get to the sample I made in Photoshop
loogs really good ngl
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So I don't think for a dark color it's possible to get more saturated than this
small lotus
Applying a color filter is differemt from modifying the image's color itself
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I see
small lotus
Yeah so differences in color will unfortunately be noticable
proper marten
those EYES
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isn't that like
proper marten
It wishes doom upon us
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really similar to the existing Illusionist ability icon
patent magnet
I reutilized it but its basically the same thing LOL
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wasn't the whole point to make it different
patent magnet
It wishes doom upon us
indeed
kindred spire
but-- the card
patent magnet
I didnt know it was MH icon lol
rotund slate
this was the closest color match I could get to the sample I made in Photoshop
This looks nice
proper marten
very slick silver metal
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Changes made in photoshop:
- Wood color on all UI elements
- Metal color on all UI elements
- Paper color (for the voting/action tab, and the role list in the lobby)
- Voting/Action tab buttons
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Thank you
-# Casually ignore the absolutely mangled headshots on the voting tab, I could have fixed that but I was too lazy
proper marten
wanted to see what it would look like with yellowish paper
and im flipping between preferring it and hating it
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oh I can just
I also fucked up the buttons on the top left and was in the middle of fixing it
proper marten
ehh that looks too saturated
especially with greyish silver etal
Was thinking like something to match the lantern glow
like it's dark but the yellow light spills over the paper
proper marten
yeahhh i dont think that fits
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here's the OG with fixed buttons
proper marten
aesthetic looks very good you definitely cooked
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-# I just realized since the bottom left in the chat tab is techically the same red as the action/vote buttons it would also change based on your role color, but fuck it it's a photoshop demonstration and I'm a lazy bitch
rotund slate
here's the OG with fixed buttons
woah look at that
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Actually NVM I'm not that lazy
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compared to the original SS
rotund slate
yeah the edit is better
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i mean this is just
a sample of what I'd like the UI mod to eventually be able to do
you could make it a complete clown show if you wanted lmao
small lotus
well the role card can be modified, imma soon extend that to all forms of wood
and then after that it's the metal's turn
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:D
small lotus
which i reckon shouldn't be hard either
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and then the paper and the buttons
buoyant crane
i am tuned the hell into this ui tomfoolery
visual zealot
now we just need to figure out sils too :D
I'm down to figure out rigging
I realized i didn't need to redraw like 30 milion parts for rigging
i can just crop them from the existing sil and edit them 😭
buoyant crane
mmm thats foul i love it
visual zealot
mmm thats foul i love it
LOL
buoyant crane
"oh mimi doesnt like red wood? better make it ALL RED."
buoyant crane
shushhhh <3 i use obnoxious colors thats how i know its workingggg
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Honestly fair
buoyant crane
u saw the prototypes for the lifelink wiki surely?? if not literally it was like lime bg red foreground for like
at least a month
LOL
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Yeah I did see that
The reason I didn't do that for the UI mod test is I wanted to test if using the same color I used for my overlay in PS would work for the mod
buoyant crane
Ye i get that
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(It didn't. The color was darker and less saturated so I had to really crank up the saturation to make it look similar.)
buoyant crane
-# Wait oh my god that means i can use PORPLE WOOD
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There's three kinds of people
buoyant crane
im kind of feeling the loremaster/jekyll/purple vibe what can i say 🥀
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\1. One wood color
\2. The role color, like exactly the same
\3. The role color but either lighter or darker
buoyant crane
i had to make a whole ass xbox profile for streaming/playing games today
so like my brain is focused on one thing
Porple....
dudes not even a coven member
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dude you are a Starspawn
proper marten
I think town would look good lighter, coven darker, vamp and inqui same
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I'd want them all to be darker
it needs to have some contrast with the inside of the role card imo
proper marten
even green ?
buoyant crane
dude you are a Starspawn
you joke but literally of all the btos2 roles i wanted to try and write lore for leave it to kaz to jump into the deep end with fucking starspawn
visual zealot
I like it dark
yeah, yours has p high contrast
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feels likethat might look hollow black
Dark green can work, it just has to be a rich, saturated dark green.
-# However, I have demonstrated that the most saturated dark colors don't actually function with this mod, so you may have a point there.
I wonder if the contrast created by the uniform wood color is better than one that matches your role color, though?
It's probably up to personal preference in any case.
visual zealot
hmm
proper marten
I wonder if the contrast created by the uniform wood color is better than one th...
Ok I admit that doesn't look bad
What if you add a light layer of yellow to the metals for town
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well the bigger question is, what's the richest dark green the game can actually produce
since I bet money you can't get it as saturated as I did in Photoshop
violet citrus
well the bigger question is, what's the richest dark green the game can actually...
slap some #00FF00 on it in-game and see how it compares to Photoshop doing the same, since apparently they do differ
violet citrus
and then just drop the FF part to something like 77
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I'm gonna test it with #2b6600
violet citrus
what's with the red?
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663300 is what I used to get the brown (typing this here to save it)
#2b6600
this is the color of the in-game wood
IDK why it's somehow more red
but anyway
violet citrus
prob bc the wood under is already rather red in comparison
small lotus
yeah it's grey because i essentially flushed out its colors
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Riddle me this batman
if the wood is completely gray (so it has no hue/saturation of its own)
how come the value of the filter/color change you put over it doesn't match the hue value of the final product
small lotus
no idea lmao
funny thing is
i'm not even the one parsing the hex code
sml is the one doing it lol
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Huh.
violet citrus
uh oh, might b a color correction oversight
small lotus
i stand corrected, it's in fact, unity that's doing the color conversion
boy i sure love to blame the engine for shitty color parsing :]
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:]
violet citrus
try #FFFFFF to see what unity's color correction pops out
violet citrus
or compliance? remember the white-white-red idea?
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I don't play BTOS2.
rotund slate
i dont think ive even opened tos2 in a while
violet citrus
huh... maybe it's a color space conversion rather than a simple correction... this is gonna b a lot worse to deal with bc color spaces r far too complicated to deal with that easily...
small lotus
i think ik what's wrong
so basically
unity has 2 colors classes
Color and Color32
violet citrus
ur using the wrong bit depth, aren't u alch?
small lotus
Color32 is the one that accepts values ranging from 0 to 255 (whole)
small lotus
ur using the wrong bit depth, aren't u alch?
no no, it's likely rounding errors between implicit conversions between Color32 and Color
violet citrus
oh
small lotus
Color accepts real values between 0 to 1
this one has more freedom of color control since more exact
that's why the hex codes aren't always perfect
violet citrus
y do we not just use color32 then?
small lotus
because unity implicitly converts all instances of Color32 to Color when in use 💀
small lotus
well, we have no choice but to suck it up
i could try to do color correction prior to actually putting the colors in use
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I think the first thing you should focus on is getting all the UI elements functional
And then deal with the color range fuckery after
violet citrus
I think the first thing you should focus on is getting all the UI elements funct...
might b a bitch to use but at least it can b used
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yeah
small lotus
ye
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the only real issue is the color range
Like colors can't be really light or really saturated
small lotus
question: do you guys want hsba or rgba color systems
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Does that affect the range of colors at all
small lotus
well hsb is a custom class that's not handled by unity
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If it doesn't I'm more used to RGBA but I can use either
small lotus
and best of all is that during conversion there's gonna be no rounding errors
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Oh damn
So maybe the switch is worth it
(Time to translate heiroglyphics trying to make HSBA hex codes!)
violet citrus
if hsba is a custom class, could it b possible to make a custom rgba class as well?
violet citrus
(Time to translate heiroglyphics trying to make HSBA hex codes!)
wait wat?
small lotus
here's how hsb is handled for conversions
small lotus
if hsba is a custom class, could it b possible to make a custom rgba class as we...
not possible
because there's nothing to actually change about the classes themeslves to make a custom rgba class
violet citrus
(Time to translate heiroglyphics trying to make HSBA hex codes!)
can we still use standard rgb hex codes or do we actually hav to translate them?
small lotus
the color conversion is as simple as 1 / 255 essentially
you'll have to translate them, but i have an idea
i'll implement a color system in the fancy ui
violet citrus
sliders?
-# /j
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oh yeah @violet citrus you asked me to test 00FF00
small lotus
sliders?
-# /j
frfr
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this was the color i got from the game
So you were right, I should have made the dark green pure >:D
violet citrus
XD
lucky me, ig
btw, r these your replays or the monthly report logs u keep asking for?
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I'm using my own replays (which are not game logs!)
violet citrus
alr
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the report logs I ask for are seasonal
Although I have to do it again because the season didn't actually end
violet citrus
i feel this season intermission might cause some stat bias if u do that
violet citrus
How so?
basically more misplays and griefing
"not like it'll actually affect things" sort of attitude
-# (even tho it very much does)
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here's a dark green with the color correction accounted for
this is actually pretty
visual zealot
ooh
small lotus
just realised hsb hex codes aren't possible but fear not i can easily make a ui to compensate for that
can someone make an icon for the color swapper aspect of the mod?
small lotus
this won't ever cease to be funny
small lotus
that's the prefab for achievements
everytime you trigger an achievement, this thing spawns and its text is changed to match the relevant achievement
small lotus
TIL the party lobby had a join with code option
nvm i just never noticed the join by code option lmao
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XD
I also recently learned that you can't make a new custom game through a Party lobby
You have to make one member leave the party to make the custom game, and then you join through there
small lotus
weird
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Oh yes, stupid ass question
If you have a setting that changes a UI element's color to be based on the role color
what do you do when the role color is a gradient
small lotus
i was thinking of going the btos2 route
where it adds a component to the role card to automatically change the color
as time passes
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Huh
that'd be kinda fly
especially if the change is in sync with the changes to the actual role card color
small lotus
ye
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Alright time for a truckload of files