#Hunter (Town Killing)

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floral fogBOT
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@halcyon magnet has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)

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woeful harbor
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The randomness feels like it would be a liability to town?

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How does it interact with vet?

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Does vet attack count as something that can get them targeted

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Does the protected person know they were protected?

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I think it's a very interesting idea that needs some other roles to go with it

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I like how unique it is, but it might feel awkward without some roles to synnergize and counter

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Like, it's delayed vigi and trapper

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But if you had a role that would interact with targeting

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Like if admi would affect it

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Or if there is a role that can force you to interact with targets

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hmm

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I think the concept of "hunter" is pretty covered with inqui tho

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Not similar in gameplay

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Similar in the sense it feels like you need to kill people seperate from "win the game for town"

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I think if I got the role I would much rather just kill someone than make sure to kill evils

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to be useful

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I think making it more punishing like giving it some disadvantage for being "town" ?

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maybe

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Im not really sure

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Cause otherwise if you see X was targeted after Y was killed by vigi, you know X is vigi and that feels too strong for a TK

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It would be coroner + tk in one

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or am i misunderstanding

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So lemme see:
If you sit at X's house, you target people who attack X right?

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And if X dies to a vigi, you know the targeted person is probably vigi?

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The targeted person knows tho?

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So if you have, say a revealed mayor, you could whisper them "I targeted a vigi" and the vigi would whisper "I was targeted last night"

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and you would have a tk with TI ability

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That would only be the case for if someone dies to multiple killers

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Would you be able to target from only 1 persons house each night?

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hmm

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I think you should get another opinion here

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I would enjoy playing it as a neutral more than town I think

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I prefer bold unrealistic ideas to tame but balanced ones when it comes to suggestions tbh

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It's easier to go towards balance than vice versa

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feels like a neutral chaos, like pirate who isnt too attached to either side and doesnt really care who they get their win from

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W for the portal idea

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Have you been in the other tos-related servers?

willow saffron
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too long of a yap session for me too read

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retnuh?

halcyon magnet
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chat we made sk but worse

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"You deal a basic attack but its random and you have no say"

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0 skill role

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what?

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no this whole role's niche is bad

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random killing, people know they can die at any moment, there is no skill

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i'm not going to because the basis of this role is shit

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I'd just use the same name

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wait you dont even target the person you visited

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this role is even worse than I thought

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this role is delayed semi worse bg

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most "attackers" have basic defense

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you're countered by pmer and cl

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whats the counterplay then

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this is either worse vigi or a steroid vigi

regal flicker
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I feel randomly attacking a player (even if considering targetting) is a bit of a problem, town killing is typically a deliberate choice. Making it a random chance based on your targets brings in unfairness to the hunter itself (ex lets say you target a silent player n3, then they reveal as mayor d4, you cant rescind that now)

halcyon magnet
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a vigi, who visited someone who died to coven only

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that makes 0 sense and thus isnt counterplay

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you're legit just fucked if its powerful attack

regal flicker
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I feel taking out the random attack, and swapping it to. You have to target a player before you can attack (with the notice to the evil), and making it a powerful attack instead

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Making it essentially a vigilante with a delay, but tradeoff for a stronger attack

halcyon magnet
regal flicker
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Essentially, but town killing already covers alot of ground, hard to make anything without some overlap

elfin solstice
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Uh should i read this

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The formating is hell to read thats what ill say for now

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Its prob me being too used to more neat formats

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Feels messy

regal flicker
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But main rules id say you want for TK is

deliberate choice, not random to prevent the scenario i mentioned

Powerful attacks should require a tradeoff or condition

punishment for making a misplay

elfin solstice
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Eh fuck it we reading this

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You will visit your target.
This shouldnt be specified normally, it is specified if its an Astral visit
Whoever attacks your target that night will gain the effect “Targeted”.
Keywording stuff is not that great imo, keeping it simple is honestly better most of the time
You will be alerted of how many targets you Targeted by the amount of times you receive the following message “You Targeted an Aggressive player at your target’s house”.
The wording here is a bit messy

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I can continue with formating or i can just do it

willow saffron
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ight since everyone flamed you

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ill see it

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and prolly flame you too

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oh yep

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nobody likes rng

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u werent cooking with this

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for one

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is this unique

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?

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.

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no

elfin solstice
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**Hunter CommonTown 🔫 **
Atributes

  • Basic attack, no defense
  • The Status Targeted can be stacked up to 3 times

Red dot ( ♾️ 🌕 )

  • Visit a player, any attacker will be affected with the "Targeted" status and they will be notified of such thing when first gaining it
  • You will be notified if you visited a Targeted player

**Easy Prey ( ♾️ 🌕 ) **

  • Randomly attack a player affected with the "Targeted" Status, in order from most stacks to least stacks

**Target Clear ( 1️⃣ ☀️ ) **

  • Clear all the stacks from a person
  • Can be used during discussion and voting

Goal: Town wincon

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^ Thats the role in a neat format

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Also the feedback messages can be put sepparated

willow saffron
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💀

elfin solstice
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If you want to add the feedback messages

elfin solstice
willow saffron
elfin solstice
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It has its problems yeah

elfin solstice
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Its unique tho ill give you that

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how to improve it

topaz geode
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RNG

elfin solstice
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No

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This one is relatively easy to fix

topaz geode
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RNG = instant no

willow saffron
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honestly just make it unique

elfin solstice
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1st make Prey eye limited and you have to target people.

topaz geode
willow saffron
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and make it able to choose who he targets

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thats it

elfin solstice
willow saffron
topaz geode
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My bad yeah

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If this gets changed to remove RNG ping me to go over it again

elfin solstice
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How to fix:

  • Easy Prey should not include a random attack but rather you choose the person and if they have stacks of targeted, you kill them
  • Limit the charges or uses of Easy Prey
  • Delete Target Clear
  • Make Town members not be alerted if they have Targeted stacks
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They can pick it themselves

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Like how a vigilante picks a target

willow saffron
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and who isnt

elfin solstice
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Thats

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fine

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Honestly

willow saffron
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then yeah hes right

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he has to make it so he knows whos targetted

elfin solstice
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That is completely fine, they cant kill non targeted players

willow saffron
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if he wants too remove rng

regal flicker
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But it does induce RNG and unfairness to the player, disincentivizing them to actually use their power

elfin solstice
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I read it wrong

willow saffron
somber crypt
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Stop giving more town roles powerful attack

willow saffron
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i didnt know that

elfin solstice
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yeah dont give town more pow attk

willow saffron
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oh ye no dont do this

elfin solstice
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With vet its fine

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Hold on i wanna cook smth good with this

willow saffron
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vets the only one that should have powerful attack

elfin solstice
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Town ambusher but decent

somber crypt
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Y'know what, fuck it I'm making a call out post of powerful attack usage

elfin solstice
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Trickster but better

willow saffron
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arguably because that is its only wincon

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wait

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luminous

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i need to ask

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is this rng too

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because u said u dont know whos targetted

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so how can u choose

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how 💀

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u dont know whos target

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lol

elfin solstice
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Hunter CommonTown 🔫 (Update by Gocj)
Atributes

  • Basic attack, no defense

Red dot ( ♾️ 🌕 )

  • Visit a player, any attacker will be affected with the "Targeted" status, you will be notified if somebody gained the status but not who.

**Easy Prey ( 2️⃣ 🌕 ) **

  • Pick a Player, if they have the "Targeted" status, deal an attack to them.

Goal: Town wincon

elfin solstice
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maybe a bit similar to vigilante or ambusher

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but its not problematic

willow saffron
elfin solstice
willow saffron
elfin solstice
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Lets say theres a game (in my rework)

topaz geode
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This is violent investigator all over again

willow saffron
elfin solstice
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We have players

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1-8

willow saffron
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these too contradict eachother

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two*

elfin solstice
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Player 2 is Hunter, 7 is targeted

topaz geode
elfin solstice
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2 can pick anybody from 1-8

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if they pick anybody but 7

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they dont die

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if they pick 7 they die

willow saffron
topaz geode
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But they would know 7 is targeted

elfin solstice
elfin solstice
willow saffron
topaz geode
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Because they chose 7 and learned “you marked someone”

willow saffron
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ill explain hyper

topaz geode
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So 7 is an attacker

regal flicker
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How about this. Make it a soft tracker

You choose to select a target, you arnt told that target, BUT you get clues to who the target might be, lemme describe

elfin solstice
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😭

willow saffron
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so it goes from target 1

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target 2

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etc etc

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you dont know who that target is

elfin solstice
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it could even work as a trickster rework

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bc current one is eh

willow saffron
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but that just makes luck

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not knowing who it is?

elfin solstice
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its fine but not exactly what i expected from a trickster rework

willow saffron
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instant luck

topaz geode
elfin solstice
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social reads

topaz geode
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This is violent investigator all over again

willow saffron
topaz geode
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You chose them

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You know they’re a target

elfin solstice
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And they

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DIE

willow saffron
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also

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this role

elfin solstice
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Wait i dont think

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i worded it the way i intended it to

willow saffron
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is barely gonna go to play

topaz geode
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That’s the issue then

willow saffron
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its a worse trapper

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i just realized

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this is a worse trapper

topaz geode
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Right now it’s just invest that can kill red checks twice

elfin solstice
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You have to WITNESS the murder for that killer to be marked with the status

willow saffron
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right now

topaz geode
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Ohh

elfin solstice
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Yeah

willow saffron
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its just worse trapper

topaz geode
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The way you have it worded rn

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Is you mark your target if they are a killer

elfin solstice
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Yeah i re read and wording was janky

topaz geode
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All good

elfin solstice
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kinda of like trickster rn

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but not shit

regal flicker
elfin solstice
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bc you arent tp

willow saffron
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isnt this just worse trapper tho?

elfin solstice
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you are revenge killing

elfin solstice
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alternatively cant trapper be easily counter-played against

willow saffron
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trapper cant but the effect of this role

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being taken into play

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is so slow

elfin solstice
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Its just

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"What if trickster wasnt a tp-like"

willow saffron
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trappers effect can

elfin solstice
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tbf

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Bc lets be real trickster is still

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a TP

willow saffron
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u have 3 chances

elfin solstice
willow saffron
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to actually do something

regal flicker
willow saffron
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this feels like a trickster and trapper hybrid

elfin solstice
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Investigative in my killing role?

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smh

willow saffron
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thats basically it

elfin solstice
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Its like crusader all over again

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Killign in my protective role? smh

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Im purpousle ignoring trapper bc thats just like almost all alignments in one role

regal flicker
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Hybrid roles can be healthy aslong as it isnt just overtly stronger than the true invest/killing counterparts

elfin solstice
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Crusader:

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The only TK role that surpases crusader is vigilante

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Deputy is a figment of your imagination

regal flicker
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Give vig unstoppable attack, watch chaos unfold

elfin solstice
willow saffron
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btw soup

elfin solstice
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Whos soup

regal flicker
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Lemme read

willow saffron
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completely smoked you

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man i want someone to flame me

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shameless plug incoming

elfin solstice
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Nuh uh

willow saffron
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yuh huh

elfin solstice
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sighs deeply

somber crypt
regal flicker
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Its alright

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A bit too conditional. But it could work within reason, i still dont like that you cant choose to attack or not

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If your gunna make the role jump through hoops to use its affects, reward them for that effort

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Unique isnt the issue

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You can have a role that is just 2 roles mashed together but is still good

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Dont be afraid to draw from good aspects of already made roles

regal flicker
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You can do somthing like that

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Def better now

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Hm

elfin solstice
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Yay good formating, i love it

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o Players will be alerted the first time they get the Red Dot effect.
This is too self confirmable me thinks

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specially for any vig/trickster

regal flicker
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How about making the check a day ability? Ex at night you use red dot and or attack
At day you select someone and see if they are that person at the start of the night

elfin solstice
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Its a problem (not like they will confirm themselves when they kill)

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But at least secret killers exists

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so that parenthesis wont be a problem there

regal flicker
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Thats fair

elfin solstice
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You cannot use this ability on the first night.
Dont think you would use that ability night 1

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you dont have any red dots so

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You you choose a player with the Red Dot effect you'll attack them
Typo? I assume you meant "If you choose"

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Just dont announce players they have red dot if they are town and this role is fine

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I dont have ideas rn

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im considering publishing a dusa rework

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but thats for future me

regal flicker
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I want to post another role idea but i can only make 1 discussion at a time

elfin solstice
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giving feedback in all posts i see

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lmao