#Hyper's Minstrel (Neutral Pariah)

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modest sandal
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THE ROLE

Minstrel (Neutral Pariah) - Unqiue
Attack: None
Defense: Ethereal

Abilities: Perform for two players or prepare for a Serenade during the discussion phase.

Attributes:

  • None.

Perform (♾️)

  • You may choose to lull two Town roles of different subalignments.
  • If your target is one of the roles you chose to lull, they will be roleblocked.
  • You learn if your roleblock fails against your target due to not lulling the proper role.

Serenade (1️⃣)

  • The coming day, it will be announced that "You hear the mystical sounds of the Minstrel's harp! There is only time for one trial today before the performance.".
  • Only one trial can happen for the rest of the day.
  • A Tribunal cannot be called while a Serenade is active. If a Tribunal is called during the discussion phase, your Serenade will not go through.

ALTERNATE SUGGESTION

For Perform:
#1200593706491850782 message

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WIP idea

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@cunning pagoda here it is

cunning pagoda
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Ight

modest sandal
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btw i have this server muted so if ppl have feedback, pls ping

celest geode
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I hate the fact that this is actually kinda decent

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because I know why you made this role

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😭

modest sandal
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i cannot claim full credit for this

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i borrowed features from some old suggested TOS roles

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then again are any ideas in mafia truly original anymore

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most are borrowed from or take inspiration from elsewhere

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i combined a TG witchcon and an old TG MS

round mulch
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Preform

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modest sandal
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im going to braid your spine

round mulch
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real

modest sandal
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i usually rely on autocorrect to catch these things because i cannot fucking spell for the life of me

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i had to look up how to spell coerce earlier

vale drum
modest sandal
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ngl i would have probably submitted it anyway under different flavor

vale drum
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WHY IS THIS KINDA

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DECENT

modest sandal
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why wouldnt it be

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i didnt make this as a joke

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i took a serious concept and re-flavored it to fit in with the joke

vale drum
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Fuck you

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they should add this

modest sandal
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no thanks

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im asexual

vale drum
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tbf the perform is a bit op

modest sandal
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it requires knowing the subalignments but maybe we can tune it down a bit

round mulch
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VFA counter fr

vale drum
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This could send town into a silence streak

robust minnow
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this seems really weak

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every NP outclasses it

round mulch
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Buff it ez

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You now roleblock every subalignment

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!!

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(That made no sense)

vale drum
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?

cunning pagoda
vale drum
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It will be bad for

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gameplay

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due to not claims at all

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which is blegh

round mulch
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Not claiming alignment because Minstrel

cunning pagoda
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VFR gets sent to VFA gets sent to wtf do we do now

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Funny

robust minnow
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oh ic

round mulch
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Vote for... not being afk?

robust minnow
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removing VFA seems really aids

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like I am a vfr enjoyer already

deft nova
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1 Trial is less for VFR/VFA

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and more for "we have one shot now"

modest sandal
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i think two uses of serenade would be like

cunning pagoda
deft nova
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Curtis is not really into that type of gameplay Tireless

round mulch
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Me when literally not a single townie is claiming their true alignment because this role might block them

robust minnow
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in alpha, rit guessing TI was incredibly cancerous

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this feels like the same thing

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but worse

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because now you just claim "town" or get fucked

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And all of town faking will just lead to evil sweep

round mulch
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Next we need a role that kills you if they can guess your faction

cunning pagoda
modest sandal
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yeah

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hangover

robust minnow
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it still imposes an annoying ass meta

robust minnow
vale drum
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It does

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yeah

deft nova
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i agree

cunning pagoda
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Anyways we should all skyrocket this

deft nova
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not even being able to simply claim your role

modest sandal
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its better than just a double roleblock

deft nova
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i get Massclaim is stupid

robust minnow
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Like there is between conceptually balanced then aids to play

deft nova
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i hate massclaim aswell don't get me wrong

modest sandal
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should we just make it a roleblock

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instead of a double roleblock that requires knowledge of alignment

deft nova
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but this is asinine way to deal with it

round mulch
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"Just a roleblock"
Auditor:

deft nova
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Sinner:

round mulch
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(it steals a part of that role)

modest sandal
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yeah thats why I didnt make it just a roleblock

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or it would be worse than audi

deft nova
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i mean it's very clear BToS2 is going for powergame for evils

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pure Firepower

round mulch
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Are we entering "2 roles with the same niche" territory here?

deft nova
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(neuts, at least)

modest sandal
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turn the double RB into a single RB and give it two serenades?

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i dont know how i feel about that though

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but if thats what people want

round mulch
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Who wants that???

modest sandal
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people saying this "encourages not claiming"

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it "will impose a meta"

deft nova
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anyways

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u stole muh trial thing how dar u!!1!!!2!1!2!!

round mulch
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Well yes that sucks, but just a singular roleblock is basically a weaker version of audit

modest sandal
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?

deft nova
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#1200466061280165928

modest sandal
deft nova
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oh no

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musician

modest sandal
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oily is so based

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(i have never interacted with them once)

cunning pagoda
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Ive seen oliy get interactive with like a WHILE back once, but thats it

mental sparrow
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Glad we are keeping up the np tradition of fucking over marshal

deft nova
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anyways you 100%, undoubtebly, stole Sinner's Trial thing

cunning pagoda
deft nova
deft nova
modest sandal
deft nova
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every role is a copy of sinner

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Jailor?

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copy

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Conjurer?

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copy

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TirelessTheTraveler Ghost Faction?

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copy

round mulch
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What in tarnation is this Sinner role that makes every role be like it

modest sandal
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gabb is fucking around

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ngl ghosts are so fun

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gabb just hates fun

deft nova
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i am indeed fuckih around

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Ghosts getting stronger after being hanged:

modest sandal
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im suprised thats not the first thing that popped into your mind when shitting on TOR but the flag is

deft nova
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(they are factional evil)

modest sandal
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they dont know each other

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uninformed factional evil

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tireless and mila cooked with ghosts

edgy igloo
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I meann

deft nova
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that's supposednto counterbalance the Hang punishment (for hanging evil factionals)

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gladly the hang thing is gone

edgy igloo
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There ain't nothing bad about this just

modest sandal
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based

edgy igloo
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Don't u think NPs need more Utility?

modest sandal
edgy igloo
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Like, taking Judge and Auditor who have the ability to disrupt town, but also the utility to learn roles/factions

modest sandal
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i can add an investigative ability to this

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how about you learn if your roleblock fails on either player

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so you know they're lying about their claim

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and likely evil

edgy igloo
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You already have 2 nigh abilities added 💀

modest sandal
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no i mean with perform

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you learn if it fails on one of the ppl

edgy igloo
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Make Serenade a day ability usable only in Discussion phase might be better

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And stronger..

modest sandal
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i can do that thats easy enough

lime plume
edgy igloo
edgy igloo
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About Seranade, that being a day ability is personal preference

modest sandal
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Perform (♾️)

  • You may choose to lul Investigative, Support, Protective, Killing, or Power roles.
  • If your targets are Town roles of those subalignments, they will be roleblocked.
  • You learn if your roleblock fails against your target due to not luling the proper subalignment.

So say you choose to lul protectives
you target 8 and 9
8 is a protective, so they're roleblocked
9 is not a protective, so you learn your roleblock failed on them

9 could be evil or a lying TF

modest sandal
deft nova
modest sandal
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hm

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i dont hate that

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i dont know how i feel about it but i dont hate it

edgy igloo
deft nova
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hyper stole my role fr

edgy igloo
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Yea actually no

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2 targets is fine

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Otherwise it's just worse auditor

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Yea just give it the investigative aspect and maybe make Serenade a day ability and this role should be a W

modest sandal
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its a day ability now

deft nova
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Hyper

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why did you steal jailor to mske this role

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L

round mulch
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Don't we still have the anti-VFA thing

vale drum
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if you make it that it works on someone only once

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It will still be ass but eh

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Not too ass

modest sandal
vale drum
round mulch
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Well now you can only conditionally roleblock every player once, which feels very eh

vale drum
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Its at least less ass

modest sandal
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its already a conditional roleblock i dont think we need to make it weaker

frail crow
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it feels

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too

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weak

modest sandal
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Some ppl have been saying it’s too strong and others too weak

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Ig I could give it two serenades

frail crow
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it just feels like

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senerade is worse judge

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and the roleblock

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is a doomsayer tav

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def the weakest NP if it gets added

vale drum
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Its not good for

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the gameplay

modest sandal
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Mfw poisoner can do a roleblock without any knowledge of the subalignment

vale drum
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Me when you just block all town from claiming anything

modest sandal
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Digni never led to people “not claiming” in all the testing it got

vale drum
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Wtf is digni

modest sandal
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A TG role

vale drum
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If its some ToR shit

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TG is kinda shit ngl

modest sandal
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Imagine this without the serenade ability

vale drum
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NP needs some sort of anticlaim

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tho

modest sandal
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Why

vale drum
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ATT

modest sandal
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We have enough of that

vale drum
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CTT

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Coven Ranked

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Rit is the only anti claim

modest sandal
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Anticlaim is unhealthy

vale drum
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In ATT there is no anti claim

modest sandal
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What we need is anti TPLO

vale drum
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Dis you?

robust minnow
modest sandal
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Ah yes let’s have a passive-ass game because people are allowed to get away with saying “I’m TP” day 1 and staying silent until death

robust minnow
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Judge is the least anti-tplo, it more just obliterates you in the day lmao

vale drum
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Just be the coroner and claim tpow

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duh

robust minnow
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meta

vale drum
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I will 100% ask for tplo as any role

robust minnow
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TT vet after claiming Jailor in TOS1 TT

vale drum
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shrugs

modest sandal
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Town should be fake claiming not alignment claiming

vale drum
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NP does need some sort of anti claim tho

vale drum
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from the tos player base

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They cant handle me fake claiming as psy

modest sandal
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We don’t balance around bad players

vale drum
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or as prose

vale drum
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😭

modest sandal
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If the “best players” don’t know how to convincingly fake claim as town we need a new standard

vale drum
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Again you are overestimating a lot from the tos playerbase

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We are just too used to fake claiming that its just something way too normal

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"Oh tpow is fake claiming" Cool

modest sandal
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TOS player base should get their skill issue in check then

vale drum
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Truly but thats what we get

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And again we need some anti claim in NP

modest sandal
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I don’t want to limit what this game can be by “oh the bad players won’t know how to do this well!”

frail crow
modest sandal
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That’s gocj’s point

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That none exists

vale drum
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yeah

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thats my point

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Exampel

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ATT is just a claim meta

modest sandal
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Would people be happier if this was a double roleblock that needed the role and not the subalignment?

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I think that’s dumb

vale drum
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CTT after rit dies its just meta and the only anti claim is rit

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Doom being moved to NE is fine bc doom is stupid

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But we still need some sort of Anticlaim or some games will be blegh

frail crow
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heavy anti tpow

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wait no

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not tpow

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TI sry

vale drum
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Just fake claim as TI

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how hard can it be

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It could get the ritualist treatment of no TI

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which is blegh but fine ig

frail crow
modest sandal
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Alternate Suggestion

Perform (♾️)

  • You may choose to lull Investigative, Support, Protective, Killing, or Power roles.
  • If your targets are Town roles of those subalignments, they will be roleblocked.
  • You learn if your roleblock fails against your target due to not lulling the proper subalignment.
frail crow
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NOOOOOOOOOOO

vale drum
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of different subalignments.

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I like that

modest sandal
vale drum
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It forces not doble TI picks

modest sandal
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Nvm

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Don’t pin

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I’m just gonna link to it in the top post

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@round mulch you like that better

cunning pagoda
modest sandal
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@crimson vessel can you pin pls

modest sandal
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Downvoters should reread this after the change

modest sandal
mental sparrow
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@crimson vessel

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We really gotta get another person to pin

crimson vessel
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What

mental sparrow
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Pin

crimson vessel
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Bruh sorry this post was dead

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Also this looks suspiciously close to bumping

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I’m not gonna lie

mental sparrow
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Hm that's fair

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Well he did ping the day after the last actual message

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And then said he changed the role

crimson vessel
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I’m getting off the bus in a minute

mental sparrow
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I think bumping to say you changed something is kinda fine

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As long as it isn't abused

crimson vessel
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Yeah I’ll allow it

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You can link to posts to get other people to revive it and if it’s been a decent while since something was active and you think there could be new opinions it can be bumped once

modest sandal
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i posted a suggestion for an alternate way for perform to work

modest sandal
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clarified how minstrel functions with marshal

dire saffron
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also I like this just cause one trial sounds hilarious

crimson vessel
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People have been doing stuff for like bumping

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Which has been getting a bit annoying so

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You can link your idea to people and they can revive it but

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If I see someone just reviving their own post I will prob interpret it as just bumping

dire saffron
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okay sure

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I think this + stopwatcher + judge would be fun to see honestly

zenith oasis
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its a decent idea

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im just confused on what its end goal is, since its a pariah

modest sandal
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Pariah goal

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Leaves when town are gone

icy sandal
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serenade only steps on the purpose that other nps already serve

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starspawn already blocks day abilities with the counterplay of using them early, and judge already limits the town to just 1 trial

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albeit with that trial being an instant guilty

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and the night ability literally only being an rb but worse doesn't help either

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I guess having some redundancy among the nps isn't too bad, but this is redundant in a way that I can only see being worse

modest sandal
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Serenade is kinda an extra thing like how daybreak is kinda an extra thing

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The main ability is the night ability

frail crow
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its back?

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uhh

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ion know

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mid

icy sandal
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this isn't nearly as strong

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having to know your target's exact roles means you're just gonna be disrupting a single ti most of the time

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hey, wait a moment...

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this actually kinda reminds me of something

modest sandal
modest sandal
icy sandal
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ya

modest sandal
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That was the inspiration

icy sandal
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people usually don't full claim anyways, and if they don't, you aren't gonna have much luck getting consistent rbs

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it's kinda the same problem rit has but without the swing or crippling downside

modest sandal
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This is what it used to be

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But nooooo ppl don’t like that

icy sandal
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then there's an issue of just how many town roles are unaffected by rbs

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like it's kinda ridiculous

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3 of the tpow and 2 of the ts are completely unaffected, with the 1 other ts negating rbs on other people

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as well as 1 of the tk

mental sparrow
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Besides retri and tk, what other TS is rb immune?

icy sandal
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there are only 3 ts with amne being just "town"

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but amne is also unaffected

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admi isn't rb immune though, but it does increase the amount of rb immunity in the game

mental sparrow
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Ok so amne shouldn't be rb immune and retri should only be rb immune if their role is rb immune

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Admirer is fine

icy sandal
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for some reason I like to go on tangents without saying role names

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there's also hangover

mental sparrow
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Hangover is a cursed mechanic

icy sandal
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which affects every rb role a lot but especially impacts this when you consider that its targeting dynamic overlaps with pois

potent river
potent river
mental sparrow
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I personally like the idea of making it after being rbed three times, you are now rb immune

icy sandal
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literally covered everything

potent river
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if the retri/necros rbed/controlled, the corpse get rbed/controlled into witch/puppeteers target

mental sparrow
potent river
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havent touched invest

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psychic i turned evil

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same with dep

mental sparrow
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Deputy is easy enough to fix, just make a new TK role and name it deputy

potent river
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easier path detected: outlaw

mental sparrow
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It's easier to do deputy because you already have the art for it

potent river
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outlaw can use deputys art

icy sandal
potent river
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both are cowboys

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only issue is the silhouette

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and i doubt its that hard to draw a mask on deputys silhouette

icy sandal
mental sparrow
icy sandal
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deputy can probably pass for an outlaw as is

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with the big moustache and all

potent river
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sweet

icy sandal
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it already kinda looks like a more sinister sheriff without the badge

modest sandal
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how did you make psychic evil

potent river
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hm yeah you not wrong

potent river
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needed to get a new apoc investigative to add lich, split outlaw and government official

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so that apoc gets nerfed individually but buffed as a whole