The Debuffs Clearing Mechanic As A Whole and the Overpowered Hot Cocoa

[vocal steppe]

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I've theorized and tried to think about several cool ideas I could do with the weapons but then I remember about hot cocoa and immediately give up and feel discouraged from using anything that isn't a bat and shield or just double bats when I remember "oh right, hot cocoa just kills that strategy, nevermind then." Hot cocoa isn't just good, it genuinely warps the combat meta around it. This is exactly what happened with shields way back when they even did 250 damage but even they had a counter: shotguns. Hot cocoa has no counter and is just as good right now, if not better than the pre-nerf shield and even the pre-nerf freeze gloves. Not only does hot cocoa warp the game around it though, but it also makes things less fun for the offending player as they feel discouraged from using any freeze, fire, or bola because it's simply a waste of cotton when the defending player can just drink hot cocoa and then eat the empty cup. On top of all of that, it makes things less interesting for the defending player as well. They don't get to spend time thinking about which counter to an effect they should bring or use a belly bubble slot on because they can simply just bring hot cocoa and not have to deal with anything. Even more however, is that it doesn't even make sense. A cup of hot chocolate can cure radiation instantly? A cup of hot chocolate can extinguish fires on the OUTSIDE of the yeep when drunk? And the craziest of all, a cup of hot chocolate, when drunk, can remove a shoe bola tied around the outside of the yeeps body. All in all, hot cocoa makes other items be overlooked in competitive settings like the fire extinguisher, it makes things feel kinda stale in a format that should have a lot of options, it's less fun for players, and it does nonsensical things that don't make sense. All of that is why hot cocoa is the most overpowered item in yeeps because nothing warps the game around it like hot cocoa does.

[modern merlin]

I see

[raw onyx]

Yes you do that with eyes

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I play combat a lot and I only really see people use hot cocoa to run away

The most overpowered item in yeeps is the beam blade undoubtedly imo lol

[vapid rune]

If they changed hot cocoa they'd have to nerf the hell out of some of the items

[vocal steppe]

Really? How much damage does it do?

[vocal steppe]

Def fire axes

[vapid rune]

Also you can't say it doesnt make sense for hot cocoa to cure radiation

Nothing in this game makes sense

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500 dmg with only a 100 dmg drawback

[vapid rune]

And bolas

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So 500 damage to opponent and only 350 to you

[vapid rune]

Hot cocoa doesn't even do anything against freeze gloves really so

They've always needed a nerf

[vocal steppe]

I do see what you're saying but do remember that bolas are 600 cotton

[little fractal]

Bolas are also op

[vapid rune]

600 is like nothing for what they do

It isnt even hard to land

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Not having a way to cure them wouldnt rlly make sense lol

[vapid rune]

They have aim assist

[vocal steppe]

I do address that in the other parts, apologies for yappleapping so much

[vapid rune]

It would literally just be a free kill

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There are so many things that need nerfing hot cocoa is one of the few things that at least slightly more balanced to counter freeze gloves and bolas

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Especially with plasma discs

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Oh alr lol

[vocal steppe]

I did talk about a new item that would address that which I think would be interesting

[vocal steppe]

Nah ur good

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Freeze gloves are just so buns now though

At least I'm my own personal experience

And especially boxing gloves

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Op if u use them right and especially in small spaces

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Excluding small spaces

I will say

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Boxing gloves are mid, freeze gloves are op (built in shield + built in freeze)

[vocal steppe]

In that circumstance they are cracked

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Blocking is annoying enough as is just for shield reset to exist and then freezing appears lol

[vocal steppe]

To be fair, the blocking on gloves is nerfed

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I dont even have hot cocoa yet I needa get it still

[vapid rune]

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Its still way too op

[vocal steppe]

Nah, I personally think that you're remembering prime boat battle where boxing gloves were king (really in just all of 1.0 though)

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You do know how much damage they do right?

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150 but they block 250

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They block 250?

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Never played boat battle or any pvp in 1.0 rlly

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They block lightsabers too so they block up to like 1000

And only 200 dmg back bc lightsabers are still op lol

[vocal steppe]

I think that it works something more like they have a guaranteed block and every hit afterwards has a 10% chance to break the glove with shields having a guaranteed 2 blocks

I heard that a really long time ago and have seen results that match up with that theory

[little fractal]

Thats WAY too op

Up to like 9 blocks lol

• shield reset so infinite blocks if you know what your doing

[vocal steppe]

Well yeah but that's why shot guns destroy them

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Yeah

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Who uses guns in pvp

Excluding like disc railgun which ALSO needs a nerf lol

[vocal steppe]

But they still only have 250 more damage than bats every three hits while having considerably less range, the ability to break which costs cotton to pull out, and the knock back from the ice effect lowers your dps which draws out the fight and makes it harder to fight people who use guns

[vocal steppe]

Dude

Shotguns, again, destroy shields

Snipers do 500 damage

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As in Ive never seen anyone use guns

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Confetti guns do 500 damage

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Not as in its weird to use guns lol

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Oh ok

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Confetti guns do HOW MUCH

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Yeah crazy right?

[blazing sorrel]

super small hitbox tho

[little fractal]

I thought they did 0 until like recently lol

Ig I needa get shotguns freeze gloves are the bane of my yeepexistence but if they do what you say I will use them from now on lol

[vocal steppe]

I'm not too sure on the specifics but I think that the reason they are so hard to hit people with is that you have to hit them on their screen which means that lag and desync make it very tough to actually hit them

[blazing sorrel]

ohhhh yea that would do it too

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https://klipy.com/gifs/yeeps-hide-and-seek-died

[vocal steppe]

Average pvp^

[blazing sorrel]

with stuff like crossbows and harpoons its the other way around where if you hit them in your screen it goes through

[vocal steppe]

Or no gif I guess?

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Yeah

[blazing sorrel]

people get mad at me a lot for supposed "aimbot" because of that lol

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Like in mariokart

Fr

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Isnt that also like every melee weapon

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Oh also another reason that gloves suck is because they're terrible at blocking projectiles

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Yeah

[blazing sorrel]

yea but more noticeable with ranged

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The only projectiles Ive seen people use in pvp are flare gun, discs and harpoons

[vocal steppe]

I do play spleef where people use pellet guns and snipers more as well

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Harpoons definitely need a nerf because of the desync/ lag issue bc harpoon users just run away and shoot you until you die and you have basically no way to dodge it

[blazing sorrel]

i main crossbow in gladiator

[little fractal]

Ohh alr fair enough, I dont rlly play spleef

[vocal steppe]

With arrows?

[blazing sorrel]

yea i use them and they need a hitbox debuff

[blazing sorrel]

ye

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Oh alr lol

[vocal steppe]

Ok but have you considered Two jets shooting arrows?

[blazing sorrel]

scummy tactic

i take pride in my weaponry

[vocal steppe]

That's fair

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It still isn't as scummy as waiting for people to go get cotton just to kill them

[blazing sorrel]

also i can hit people from across the map with crossbow

[blazing sorrel]

yea

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Oh

And getting back to the actual post

A big reason for why I made it was because I like the idea of the bola but the hot cocoa just makes any strategy with it useless y'know?

[blazing sorrel]

yea i get that

[blazing sorrel]

but the thing is you want people to not be able to just trap someone with it yknow?

[vocal steppe]

Did you hear about my idea for a counter to the bola?

[blazing sorrel]

yea i did but from what i saw you have to like shake it over yourself?

that isnt practical

[vocal steppe]

Or you can splash for instant application like hot cocoa

[blazing sorrel]

oh ok

[vocal steppe]

Though you break the empty container as well and can't eat it for a cotton refund

[blazing sorrel]

oh yknow like a flask?

[little fractal]

Yeah but plasma disc + bola needs some type of counter

[vocal steppe]

Yeah

[blazing sorrel]

what if its like that with an ink logo

[vocal steppe]

No offense, but have you heard of walking two steps to the side

[blazing sorrel]

and you can throw it to splash people with it

[vocal steppe]

I know that the bola makes it tough but still

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You cant rlly move with bola on

Cant even use mobility items

And also they can just aim two steps to the side so yk

[vocal steppe]

You can use air grabbers

They are expensive though

[little fractal]

Yeah I dont have those yet lol I should probably get them

[vocal steppe]

Also, shields

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But they can still move where they’re aiming

[blazing sorrel]

maybe if you have a dagger you can cut it by eating the dagger

[vocal steppe]

Then bola them

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I mean ig

[vocal steppe]

Ooooooh

That sounds interesting

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Pls I need this

Lol

[blazing sorrel]

yea i thought about it a while ago

[vocal steppe]

Maybe if you ate two daggers

[blazing sorrel]

eh thats convoluted

[little fractal]

Seems a bit excessive

Takes too long to pull them both back out

[blazing sorrel]

yea

[vocal steppe]

A little but I feel like just one dagger makes it loop around to how the hot cocoa's mechanics of instantly drinking and eating

[blazing sorrel]

oh btw im stealing the ink flask idea

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How much cotton do you get for eating an empty hot cocoa

[vocal steppe]

Nooooo

[blazing sorrel]

300

[vocal steppe]

Don't do itttttt

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Lol

[blazing sorrel]

hehehe

ill credit u tho

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How much does the normal hot cocoa cost

[blazing sorrel]

300

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Just cut that in half

When u eat it u get 150 back

There balanced

Lol

[blazing sorrel]

yea that seems fair

[vocal steppe]

That would make it more balanced

Regardless, I'm still voting hot cocoa

As the best item

[blazing sorrel]

nah this better

[vocal steppe]

Yo yo

[vocal steppe]

Only if they make the revolver holt so you can store a revolver with bullets in it

[blazing sorrel]

it would also have them let us do custom bullets in revolvers

[little fractal]

Actually maybe 200 bc you’ll prob alr have been hit so you lose 50 hp by eating but better than losing like 2000 lol

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Wait I thought u didnt like it

[vocal steppe]

Hey

It asked what was the best item

Not my favorite item

[little fractal]

Beam blade is more op but I hate beam blade lol

Im voting mace bc fun to use and fun to customise

[vocal steppe]

Yeah bro, it's somehow more broken than the flail, and I didn't even think that was possible

You do know how much damage they do right?

[crimson leaf]

Could've posted this in different messages not different posts

[vocal steppe]

Nah, the replies have lower message caps so I would have had to post like 6 or... (Not intentional) 7 extra replies as opposed to just three parts

I could have, but I chose not to

[vocal steppe]

In case you didn't know, the shoe flail deals 350 damage at DOUBLE the attack speed of bats and other similar weapons

[little fractal]

Bro what

What is this extreme unbalancing

Lol

[spare depot]

no because hot cocoa is cool

and I like it

I think a way to like actually live against someone using shoe bolas ore fire axes is nice

[vapid rune]

not really

I mean

It's better to just use melee against them now

cuz of the like

9th rework