Enforce the rules / make a new rule (Read suggestion)

[errant garden]

[silent wolf]

18 and acting like he 13

[uncut hamlet]

All my points still stand

[plucky basalt]

hey boko

[uncut hamlet]

🚀

[boreal cloak]

😭

[plucky basalt]

can we keep arguin

or do we gotta stop

[whole vigil]

i was told once ragebait was a sin tho

[median dagger]

it was pretty civil at first
but tbf, loniii started this one with the suggestion itself
this is literally against pride (as in against it being posted)
pride suggestions are just "we want this!"

[covert raptor]

BrokoBling

[plucky basalt]

and this is not just against pride though
its against all of them

[uncut hamlet]

Pride suggestions are always controversial

[median dagger]

not just against pride
but against pride

[uncut hamlet]

Js like this one

[plucky basalt]

?

[silent wolf]

bc homophobic ppl whine

[plucky basalt]

oohhh

I get it

but yea, is against pride, homophobia, allat

[errant garden]

Should we do a Gnome Poll

[boreal cloak]

Idk

[silent wolf]

yeh if youre against pride youre homophobic

[paper meteor]

the entire suggestion brings up pride bro

[uncut hamlet]

What

[tacit solstice]

37 pro-ai messages in ONE day, lonii

[errant garden]

You heard me

[plucky basalt]

cause its the MAIN POINT

the main arguement

[tacit solstice]

you're genuinely just lying

[thorny radish]

They don't want people arguing about religion like for example one person arguing God's real and another saying god isn't real. While religion suggestions like adding a badge seems to be OK according to mods as they haven't taken down posts suggesting adding religion badges.

[boreal cloak]

Immaturity at its best

[paper meteor]

and it shouldnt be

[plucky basalt]

it should
no one wants arguements in this discord

[frosty steppe]

It could be argued that religion is also social but either way when i meet someone i dont go “hi, whats your se ual orientation” now sure they could where some sort of pride clothing but same goes for religious clothing

it kinda does have something to do with other beliefs as in some it is considered a sin and adding an update would be like supporting a sin for people who believe that pride is a sin

[uncut hamlet]

It should

[median dagger]

there's a difference between wanting something, and others find it controversial or bad
and literally saying to stop people from posting things like that, leading with an argument on why that should happen
pride posts aren't inherently going to incite arguments, and they aren't meant to
this post does inherently start them though

[paper meteor]

idc for arguments in this server

[errant garden]

I suppose no Gnome Poll

[smoky beacon]

pride is only an issue towards you if you are homophobic or not in the right mindset

[silent wolf]

me when im correct

[smoky beacon]

pyro thats ironic

[boreal cloak]

Do you think we're getting space or no

[plucky basalt]

do it

do it

[uncut hamlet]

This isnt meant to start them, just my opinions

I said its fine to disagree

[errant garden]

Okay

[plucky basalt]

YAY

[errant garden]

Gnome Poll we have

[plucky basalt]

everyone SHUSH

[whole vigil]

you start arguments all the time

[smoky beacon]

what does that even mean

[thorny radish]

Ironic coming from you like you weren't non stop posting ai rage bait messages

[plucky basalt]

SHUHS

GNOME POLL

[uncut hamlet]

Hate the sin not the sinner

[median dagger]

I mean, yeah you don't js go "do you like boys or girls" when meeting someone
but it sure comes up more than religion, at least in my experience
and for going against beliefs, I think it's dumb to cater towards the bigoted, simply put

[boreal cloak]

😐

[median dagger]

I didn't mean to imply that, but this is inherently argumentative

[plucky basalt]

SHUT
GNOME POLL
A GNOME POLL

[median dagger]

ez

[plucky basalt]

ez answer

[median dagger]

how many people are just here rn

[plucky basalt]

quite a lot

lmao

[errant garden]

25 in 10 seconds

[silent wolf]

loniii voted nathan quick change

[uncut hamlet]

People can attack me all they want but if they dont disprove what I said what value does it really have... 🤔

[boreal cloak]

No... 😂 🔥 ✅

[plucky basalt]

28 people

29

[errant garden]

Hopefully that Gnome Poll calms things down

[plucky basalt]

thanks boko

[whole vigil]

🤗

[boreal cloak]

🚫 Please refrain from calling me that 🚫

I am not a ragebaiter, and I kindly ask that you respect this. 🤝 Let's keep the conversation respectful and avoid making assumptions. 🙏

We all deserve to engage in meaningful and positive discussions without labels or negativity. 🌟💬 Let's focus on understanding, not judgment! 😊

[uncut hamlet]

W

[median dagger]

lowkey did

[errant garden]

I shall do another in a hour

[smoky beacon]

im angryer now

[errant garden]

Isn't this one of those AI messages

[whole vigil]

I HATE GNOMES

[smoky beacon]

eat my sponge

[boreal cloak]

Yea from loniii

[whole vigil]

what

[silent wolf]

gnomes killed my grandma

[median dagger]

actually yeah I'm frothing at the mouth
I'm very mad because of that poll

[smoky beacon]

im bad im bad

[plucky basalt]

aight Im out

[errant garden]

[plucky basalt]

my mood is ruined already

aint got much left to lose lol

seeyall

[silent wolf]

and the clouds clear up

[plucky basalt]

have a good one I guess

ok nvm

[median dagger]

bye pyro

[plucky basalt]

Aidens being annoying

Ima stay

[silent wolf]

and the dark clouds return

[whole vigil]

did it just start raining?

[silent wolf]

sorry that im funny

[plucky basalt]

yea
its my pfp

[boreal cloak]

Ugh the thunder storms are back

[plucky basalt]

you know it always has to rain

[boreal cloak]

Gr

[silent wolf]

theres a tornado

[plucky basalt]

and the piano in the backround

[errant garden]

This feels uncanny

[plucky basalt]

yall would still hate on it lol

and so would I

[boreal cloak]

Yea cuz its stupid

[silent wolf]

pyros dark manor

[lofty nexus]

you love ai

[covert raptor]

Cooking up some trash!

[plucky basalt]

nah not anymore

I gave up on it

[silent wolf]

add me to the game trust

[lofty nexus]

good

[boreal cloak]

Loniii genuinely thought he was funny during that ai stuff gng

[covert raptor]

No

[plucky basalt]

AI could've been a cool thing

companies ruined it lol

[uncut hamlet]

Me and brew had a blast

Some of the most fun i had on this server

[silent wolf]

me when i lie:

[boreal cloak]

*had a blast being immature and unfunny

[uncut hamlet]

Its cool for coding

Very useful

[plucky basalt]

I like to code myself

[uncut hamlet]

I respect your opinion

[plucky basalt]

but if I dont know somethin, I guess I'll look it up first

and if that aint work

then AI

[boreal cloak]

Wasn't an opinion bud

[plucky basalt]

erm actually

[uncut hamlet]

Ya

[cold gale]

What's your opinion on ai art?

[frosty steppe]

I mean id say it comes up pretty evenly online, but in real life s x ual orientation n stuff comes up more cause either most people js haven’t come out or are straight

its not catering to the bigoted cause they aren’t homophones or at least not all of them are, and i see it as more of pride and religion cancelling eatch other out

[uncut hamlet]

I use AI as a last resort to things

[plucky basalt]

it aint art

its an image

[uncut hamlet]

Im neutral

[silent wolf]

no u dont😭

[uncut hamlet]

I know of the consequences, but i personally think many people overdramaticise them

Its still bad, nonetheless

In the future however, it will definitely improve

We will find a way

[plucky basalt]

aight seeyall actually

[silent wolf]

🔄Translating🔄
“i am pro ai, i use it everyday”

[plucky basalt]

have I good I guess

[silent wolf]

and the clouds clear up

[boreal cloak]

Summer has started early?

No more clouds?

[uncut hamlet]

Yeah, i use Google gemini

[uncut hamlet]

So technically I do use ai every day

[silent wolf]

and the sun blows up

bc loniiiis still here

[boreal cloak]

Black hole forms

[uncut hamlet]

Alr this suggestion is heavily off topic now

[frosty steppe]

yea

[boreal cloak]

Yea loniii is just immature

[median dagger]

it's most certainly catering towards the bigoted
I want to mention two things:

1. if something is bad in major religions, then it shouldn't be added, yet we have pork?
2. just because it's a religious belief, doesn't mean it's not a bigoted one

[smoky beacon]

imm baaackkk

[thorny radish]

I just accidentally hit delete oops

I think it's ironic that out of all people to make this post Loniii is the one who made it. Like this adult BTW was copying and pasting stuff straight from chat gpt in arguments where Loniii knows the people don't like AI to rage bait. And then says that pride suggestions should be banned because religious ones are banned even though there are plenty of religious suggestions that the mods have seen and haven't taken down and both religious and pride suggestions aren't nearly as controversial as the AI posts.

[boreal cloak]

[uncut hamlet]

Hate the sin not the sinner

If yall take discord super serious, thats on you

[boreal cloak]

Shush sheesh

[silent wolf]

me when i annoy:

[uncut hamlet]

Disproving none of my points in this suggestion

[smoky beacon]

says you

[errant garden]

I don't think Jebediah is going to the Mun anymore

[uncut hamlet]

It shows you have no points to say when you're coming at me instead of the suggestion you know...

[smoky beacon]

stop ignoring them then

[uncut hamlet]

I havent seen any in awhile

I responded to all I saw

[thorny radish]

Crazy how full grown adults can be more immature then some 13-14 year olds

[smoky beacon]

use eyes then

[boreal cloak]

Who here genuinely thought the AI stuff was funny

[uncut hamlet]

Me, brew and cos

[smoky beacon]

not me

[boreal cloak]

Holy truth

[boreal cloak]

Yea we know bud

[smoky beacon]

three out of 50 people said yes

thats a crazy ratio

[uncut hamlet]

Yup

[boreal cloak]

Loniii has given himself a bad rep

[uncut hamlet]

And everyone kept coming back to the AI suggestion

Partly because of brew

Posting it everywhere

But still

[median dagger]

and you

[uncut hamlet]

Nah I didnt really advertise it

I just agreed with brew

Brew was the main character

[median dagger]

didn't you post the trans train?

[uncut hamlet]

I was the side piece

[thorny radish]

3 people in the entire discord liked the ai rage bait posts

[uncut hamlet]

No

Brew made that

Maybe i forwarded it?

Idk

[boreal cloak]

BUT YOU POSTED IT MULTIPLE TIMES

[uncut hamlet]

Did I?

[median dagger]

I wouldn't say brew MADE that exactly

[boreal cloak]

Yes

[uncut hamlet]

Well brew did make it

[boreal cloak]

No he didnt

[uncut hamlet]

He inputted the prompt

I didnt make it

The only images I made was

[median dagger]

brew groked it

[smoky beacon]

ironic

it didn't reply

[thorny radish]

Loniii has beef with like half the discord that really says something

[boreal cloak]

He ruined his rep

[covert raptor]

gulp

[uncut hamlet]

Who cares about a discord rep dude

[silent wolf]

was gone for 5 minutes

[uncut hamlet]

Like these ones

[silent wolf]

what i miss

[uncut hamlet]

Discord rep

[boreal cloak]

Immaturity at its purest

[silent wolf]

talking to u is painful

[uncut hamlet]

Saw bait so i tagged along

Anyway, are we gonna disprove my points now?

[boreal cloak]

It truly is tho

[uncut hamlet]

Or still talk about me

[silent wolf]

talking abt u is cool

especially behind your back

[uncut hamlet]

Thanks

I didnt know i was so interesting

[smoky beacon]

exact opposite

[errant garden]

I forgot how to get to Duna

[silent wolf]

@boreal cloak check dms

[uncut hamlet]

Too much

I hate myself for this

[median dagger]

yeah guys
who would talk that much
5k+

[silent wolf]

what do u do 4 work btw

[uncut hamlet]

I dont work yet

[silent wolf]

no wonder

[uncut hamlet]

No, cuz im going into other things

[exotic reef]

finally

[uncut hamlet]

I dont want a job yet

[smoky beacon]

please get a job

[uncut hamlet]

Im a fresh 18

[smoky beacon]

you literally need a job to do other things

you can work at 14

[uncut hamlet]

No, as in education

[median dagger]

go into wine making

[boreal cloak]

Why do you just ❌ every pride post

[smoky beacon]

still need job

[median dagger]

you gotta support yourself through college though

[uncut hamlet]

Will prob get experience

[silent wolf]

WE know y

[exotic reef]

did you read this suggestion?

[smoky beacon]

work at bk

[median dagger]

unless you get a really good scholarship ig

[boreal cloak]

Not related to this

Not just this suggestion

[exotic reef]

I think you'll find it is

[median dagger]

even then, you want money for personal things

loni get a job

I think the lesson here

[uncut hamlet]

I finished college alr, UK it ends at 18

[silent wolf]

basically asking him to fly btw

[uncut hamlet]

Compulsory that is

[silent wolf]

whatd u major

silence

[exotic reef]

why are we talking about his job status? it has nothing to do with the suggestion.

[silent wolf]

its how the conversation turned into

conversations expand

[obsidian cape]

The thing about pride is that it should not be controversial, the fact that it is is not okay. People should be able to be who they want to be, and the fact that people are against that is horrible, and the reason it gets a pass is because the mods understand this

[median dagger]

idk it was kinda funny

[silent wolf]

who has conversations on just ONE topic

[uncut hamlet]

Well subjects I did was ctech, history and geog

[exotic reef]

It kinda seems like you're dissing him atp

[uncut hamlet]

I was gonna go into a cyber security apprenticeship, but now im likely going into vetinary stuff

Which is weird

But my mother really advocates for it

So

🤷‍♂️

[uncut hamlet]

Dunno

It was on topic, until ppl started randomly talking about me

[exotic reef]

I heard that there are a lot of obscure jobs that you can work from home and that pay well

like cyber security

or data annotating

[uncut hamlet]

Honestly, id hate working from home

That influences me to be a lazy slob

[exotic reef]

you and I are very different people

[thorny radish]

Full grown adult arguing in a discord about a 10+ plush game fyi

[uncut hamlet]

Because I enjoy the game, and have opinions?

[exotic reef]

he's trying to stop arguments tho

[uncut hamlet]

Also like, what does that prove

[uncut hamlet]

You havent said a single thing that disproves my suggestion

[thorny radish]

Same person who posted ai rage bait messages btw

[smoky beacon]

shock

[uncut hamlet]

Alr

So

What does this prove

About my suggestion

?

[exotic reef]

people change

[boreal cloak]

What does talking about your job have ANYTHING to do with this suggestion?

Or whatever

[uncut hamlet]

Idk, I didnt start it

[exotic reef]

his previous reputation doesn't change the fact that his logic is sound

[thorny radish]

That your a Hypocrite

[boreal cloak]

Yet you continued it

[uncut hamlet]

Hate the sin not the sinner

Ill happily be a hypocrite, my points all still stand

[uncut hamlet]

You can give me personal attacks dude if you don't disprove what my suggestion says it means nothing

[boreal cloak]

🫩

[tacit briar]

THis PoST Is GOnnA cAuSE ArGuMEnTs

[exotic reef]

that is 100% the reaction that image deserved

[thorny radish]

Also still why remove people's ability to suggest adding features that help express themselves. Your only argument is that religious suggestions get deleted but not pride ones even though religious suggestions don't even get deleted

[uncut hamlet]

Yeah, obviously. Its about pride

The controversial topic

The reason this post has arguments is because its about pride

[obsidian cape]

It should not be controversial

There shouldnt be arguments

[uncut hamlet]

Ideally, yes. Realistically? No.

[thorny radish]

No it's because it's about deleting pride suggestions

[uncut hamlet]

Yes

Its about pride

= controversial

=arguments

[tacit briar]

I think posts about closing posts about pride are controversial

Therefore

[thorny radish]

@uncut hamlet respond to this

[tacit briar]

This breaks your rule

I escaped

[uncut hamlet]

Well, many reasons I would remove these

Firstly, it is undeniably a divisive subject

We shouldnt give a free pass

All divisive subjects need moderation

Just because pride is seemingly a hot topic, shouldn't make it allowed

Btw this is only for suggestions

[tacit briar]

There should be HARSH consequences for making a post on discord guys

[uncut hamlet]

Also, many people ingame have absolutely no voice on things that happen, when debating adding controversial topics, there needs to be communication with all players

Something like an ingame poll, would be better if thinking about adding this

[thorny radish]

The only reason pride is considered diverse is because people discriminate against it. By your logic we can't have posts suggestioning adding anything about blm

[exotic reef]

If a post were about making the n word legal to say in yeeps, I'm pretty sure there would be harsh consequences

[uncut hamlet]

Wrong

[obsidian cape]

Realisticly it is controversial, but that doesn't mean it should be. The reason yeeps allows this at all is because they understand this

[uncut hamlet]

Its considered a divisive subject for many non homophobic reasons

[thorny radish]

How

[uncut hamlet]

E.g. religion

[frosty steppe]

well like its a video game, not real life, im sure there is a reason they cant eat pork and it probably involves something irl, while pride is something that’s always real no matter if its a video game

[tacit briar]

Well yeah but pride shouldn’t have HARSH consequences

[uncut hamlet]

Personal beliefs / morals also

[thorny radish]

People who don't like pride are considered homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

All divisive subjects should have harsh consequences if suggested

So people stop

Suggesting

Them

[tacit briar]

Someone wants to be represented? 10 week ban

[obsidian cape]

No.

[exotic reef]

not just that, all divisive subjects. Since it's already a rule.

[uncut hamlet]

Homophobia is the hatred or prejudice of individuals of pride.

Not just disliking the concept

[obsidian cape]

https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1508495663657390260

[uncut hamlet]

Ok

What is this proving

[tacit briar]

[feels the aura meme]

[obsidian cape]

This is kinda a screw you

[tacit briar]

“Dislike” @uncut hamlet

[uncut hamlet]

Just disliking and not supporting the concept of lgbtq is not homophobia

[tacit briar]

I don’t like you does that mean I don’t like you

[thorny radish]

By definition disliking pride is homophobic can argue against the facts

[uncut hamlet]

Its feelings, attitudes or actions against people

Not just disliking the concept

Its in the sentence

[obsidian cape]

Homophobia is being against lgbtq

[tacit briar]

And disliking someone is being against them

[uncut hamlet]

If you dont support lgbtq, would that be homophobic?

[exotic reef]

I don't like your decisions, but I have nothing against you as a person.

[uncut hamlet]

Disliking someone vs disliking a concept

[obsidian cape]

If you are against lgbtq you are homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

I dislike pride because i personally think it is wrong

Vs

I dislike you because you are gay

Big difference

[thorny radish]

So if you don't dislike or like it your netreul

[uncut hamlet]

Ones homophobic, ones not

[tacit briar]

No

[exotic reef]

so since Christianity is against it, Christians should be banned??

[frosty steppe]

i mean not supporting lgbtq isn’t homophobia

[frosty steppe]

yes

[obsidian cape]

Not in a religious way

[frosty steppe]

wait

[uncut hamlet]

Mhm

[tacit briar]

Saying I don’t like it because I think being gay is wrong is homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

But disliking the concept of it isnt homophobic

[exotic reef]

what do you mean?

[thorny radish]

Disliking pride because you think it's wrong is blatant homophobia

[uncut hamlet]

.... no?

You can have personal beliefs

[obsidian cape]

If it is because or religion it's fine

[exotic reef]

so someone could just make their own religion and get a free pass?

[lofty nexus]

wdym morals

[frosty steppe]

thats called a cult

erm

[thorny radish]

What do you mean no

[uncut hamlet]

If someone says they dislike pride because they personally see it as wrong, that is personal belief. As long as they dont push that influence, or act on it against people in any way like prejudice, or direct harassment thats not homophobia.

[frosty steppe]

yea

[uncut hamlet]

Very traditional people wont agree with pride

[obsidian cape]

What if I said I don't agree with being straight. That's what you guys are doing where with LGBTQ

[uncut hamlet]

Likely

[exotic reef]

true morals cannot exist without religion
otherwise it's just personal opinions

[uncut hamlet]

Thats fine..?

[tacit briar]

So if I believe being a certain race is wrong it doesn’t make me racist

??

[frosty steppe]

im not sure anyone would care

[thorny radish]

By definition that is homophobia

[exotic reef]

race isn't a choice

[lofty nexus]

morals is the sense of right and wrong, so can you elaborate on what you ment about morals

[uncut hamlet]

Comparing something completely out of your control vs something that is most of the time in your control

[obsidian cape]

Neither is your orientation

[lofty nexus]

lgbtq isn't a choice either

[tacit briar]

You just like someone you don’t choose to

[lofty nexus]

yall act like we just wake up one day and say i wanna be gay and give myself a harder life just for the fun of it

[uncut hamlet]

Traditional people will see being gay or such as personally wrong, as they are to adhere to their personal beliefs of being with a guy or girl and taking part in their roles

[tacit briar]

Wait didn’t unknown say post targeting pride aren’t allowed

[obsidian cape]

"traditional people"

[lofty nexus]

thats just sexism and homophobia

[uncut hamlet]

No, its fully personal

[exotic reef]

according to Christianity, it is with the power of God.
since you can't do anything good without God and are simply doing "good" for your own benefit in some way.

[obsidian cape]

Well I'm not Christian so I don't believe that

[thorny radish]

Neither is being gay as if you like the same sensuality you can't change that without changing your brain.

[exotic reef]

ok, then what do you believe?

[uncut hamlet]

Theres a difference to thinking to myself and only myself "I personally disagree with pride as I see it as wrong either morally religions or whatever"

And to trying to spread that, or use that against people

[lofty nexus]

yall address this

[frosty steppe]

Gary

[tacit briar]

Do we ping a mod because a mod say these posts aren’t allowed?

[obsidian cape]

If it's moral reasons that's just homophobia

[thorny radish]

People seem to believe being gay is a choice

[obsidian cape]

Yeah, too many people think that

[exotic reef]

I don't really. I understand that people have a hard time changing themselves without outside help
in the case of Christianity it's God

[uncut hamlet]

Ok, some people yes don't choose sexuality, but the thing is, race is basically guaranteed out of your control.

Stuff like sexuality for many people is a choice, so people can personally think making that choice or becoming that sexuality is personally wrong.

However, if they act on it, or do stuff like spreading it or using it in negative ways. That is homophobia

[obsidian cape]

sexuality is also out of your control

[uncut hamlet]

Got it?

[uncut hamlet]

I said that, for some people, yes it is

[obsidian cape]

Just as out of your control as race

[uncut hamlet]

Which is why you don't act on those ideas you have

[obsidian cape]

For all people who are LGBTQ it is not a choice they made

[thorny radish]

Being gay isn't something you can change it's the way your brain works that makes you that way and you can't change that

[uncut hamlet]

If you personally see that choice as being personally wrong either due to like religious reasons that's fine

[obsidian cape]

You literally just said that sexuality for some people is a choice. It isnt

[uncut hamlet]

Ofcourse many people don't choose it

[tacit briar]

Not for someone people for all-a major amount

[uncut hamlet]

Many people go from gay/lesbian etc back to straight

[obsidian cape]

No body chooses it

[uncut hamlet]

For those people it is a choice

Going into it isnt as much of a choice, my bad for wording it badly

Its about going out from it

[obsidian cape]

Because they are confused and don't 100% know what they are yet, and decided that "wait that's not me"

[tacit briar]

That like saying genderfluid is a choice

[uncut hamlet]

Anyway, this suggestion isnt supposed to be about the actual topic of pride, but about why we should disallow it

I dont know that much about pride itself, so I could be wrong on things

[obsidian cape]

I have a friend who has gone from trans, lesbian, bisexual, straight, and all of that, and they aren't "choosing" to be, they just don't know what they really are

[thorny radish]

No in that situation it may be someone who isn't sure. Some people may think their straight and find out their actually gay or people act like they became straight but in reality their embarrassed or scared or afraid what their parents will do

[tacit briar]

Which it ain’t in case you were wondering

[exotic reef]

If our fundamental beliefs about the universe, human psychology, and truth are different
then we cannot change eachothers' minds or reach a satisfying conclusion.

[uncut hamlet]

True

Which is why, we should just remove controversial topics and beliefs like this from being suggested

[tacit briar]

Unless I prove someone wrong

[uncut hamlet]

Nobody will ever agree

It will always be a debate

[tacit briar]

Ok the actual post though with arguments the way to prevent agents is to not go into those suggestions and say it causes arguments if your not actually against it

[exotic reef]

which you can't do if someone's belief on truth is different than yours

[tacit briar]

It wouldn’t cause arguments if you didn’t argue about it causing arguments

[exotic reef]

I think it would

[uncut hamlet]

But this is a valid point against pride suggestions btw

And also, it would

There will always be arguments

Its a controversial topic

We all know this

[tacit briar]

Most arguments starts with “it’s decisive” or “it would cause arguments”

By just not arguing about it causing it

Prevents arguments

[exotic reef]

if someone made a MAGA hat suggestion it would get closed pretty quick for that reason

[plucky basalt]

what I miss

[uncut hamlet]

Which it would. Many people ingame wouldnt even know its coming. Arguments ingame would definitely happen and also arguments on here have already shown themselves

[exotic reef]

#1508321932741840918 message

[uncut hamlet]

Every pride suggestion is mostly arguments

[plucky basalt]

uh

[lofty nexus]

sexuality for many people is not a choice. i was born gay i never felt any sort of attraction to the opposite gender. also your notion of we shouldn't act on our attraction is really dehumanizing since your basically tryna deny us any sort of happy fulfilling relationships just for having a different attraction.

[uncut hamlet]

Thats why theyre always boosted

[plucky basalt]

what

[tacit briar]

I gtg

[plucky basalt]

seeya pengu

have a good one

[uncut hamlet]

Im not "dehumanizing" anyone, im putting everyone on an even field

Pride is a controversial divisive subject

They shouldnt get a free pass

[plucky basalt]

if you think that not being above everyone else is "dehumanizing"

that aint good

[uncut hamlet]

Im sure if a pride update got added, people of other groups will make suggestions to get added

[lofty nexus]

i said that for not letting us act on our attraction

[thorny radish]

We need a blm update though

[lofty nexus]

not about controversial subject

[uncut hamlet]

When they dont get accepted, they will feel dehumanized

[exotic reef]

@random storm sorry for the ping, but could you tell us your opinions on this suggestion?

[lofty nexus]

did you just stop reading half way through

[exotic reef]

not the arguments

[uncut hamlet]

I think you read it wrong lol

What I mean

Is if

People who disagree with pride, act on it by spreading it etc

Not people who are part of those groups acting on it

[lofty nexus]

your terminology is like all over the place

anyway i gtg

cya later

[uncut hamlet]

Like if someone against pride was going around spreading that pride is bad or something

Thats what I meant

Thats bad

[thorny radish]

Can we stop acting like the mods are really gonna listen to this suggestion

[uncut hamlet]

You never know

I doubt it, but id hope so

Pride suggestions cause 5x more negativity then positivity. And thats been proven by the suggestions themselves.

[exotic reef]

I just want my carefree plush game to stay a carefree plush game without adding any sort of divisive content or subjects
regardless of which political side it's coming from.

[uncut hamlet]

I so much agree

Keeping a fully neutral stance on everything is the ideal

[exotic reef]

what is one update to one game gonna change? genuinely

[thorny radish]

@uncut hamlet by your logic we shouldn't have a BLM update suggestions because it would be diverse due to r@cists

[uncut hamlet]

... no? Lmao

[exotic reef]

there are non racist reasons for not liking that

[uncut hamlet]

The thing is, not everyone who disagrees with pride is homophobic

[frosty steppe]

guys the main reason that rule 1 exists is so people dont argue about stuff like this, we should be arguing about adding a dumb gadget or buffing the bat not if God is real

[uncut hamlet]

The main reason people wouldnt want a blm update is just because... why?

[plucky basalt]

#1508501446432133442

[uncut hamlet]

Itll cause controversy and for alot of people just why

Its a plush game

[thorny radish]

Then their neutral if they don't like pride but don't dislike pride their neutral

[uncut hamlet]

You csnt really dislike the idea of race

Compared to the idea of pride

Idk if there are religions or something that go against certain races or something

Idk

But personally, I wouldnt want a blm update

[plucky basalt]

-# cough cough ww2

[uncut hamlet]

Real things should stay real

[uncut hamlet]

Well thats certain races against religions

[exotic reef]

there are, and they still exist
it starts with the 11th letter

[plucky basalt]

I mean the "supreme race"

[uncut hamlet]

Like id much rather have content that is more catered to everyone then content catered to specific groups

[exotic reef]

it's a cult

[uncut hamlet]

Ok yeah, but theyre like just horrible people

Things like that and the e## are criticised by literally everyone, I wouldnt count that since what they do half the time is illegal

Compared to religions who dont support pride

Which is very much not illegal

[plucky basalt]

is this done

it is right?

nice

[uncut hamlet]

Yup

[plucky basalt]

whooo

LETS GO

[uncut hamlet]

But for how long

[plucky basalt]

at least an hour

right

[uncut hamlet]

Right...

[thorny radish]

Yes you can it's called being racist

[uncut hamlet]

Then you get banned

Difference is, the only reason to not support people of a certain race is if you are racist

In comparison, not supporting the ideas of pride doesnt mean you are homophobic, unless you make it that way

E.g. religion

[thorny radish]

You would also get banned for being homophobic

[plucky basalt]

-# so we arent done

[uncut hamlet]

Not everyone who doesnt support pride is homophobic

Ive said this 27 times

[plucky basalt]

"I dont like pizza"
"oh so you hate tomatoes?"

thats what its like lol

[thorny radish]

I never said if you dont like pride your homophobic, if your neutral then your not homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

You said you'd be banned for being homophobia earlier after I said "not supporting the ideas of pride doesnt mean your homophobic"

[thorny radish]

I changed the message

I worded it wrong

Disliking pride is homophobic by definition, read the definition it says so

[exotic reef]

a lot of people would disagree with that definition

[plucky basalt]

tbf thats AI definition

[thorny radish]

Yea it's copied from a dictionary

[exotic reef]

just because one dictionary describes a word in one way doesn't mean that is the definite definition

[uncut hamlet]

Feelings, attitudes or actions that show an irrational fear, dislike or prejudice toward homosexuality and gay people

Being against the concept of pride is not homophobia for reasons such as religion, or personal beliefs

Also it says, irrational

If you have reasons to be against it

That is valid

An irrational fear or dislike is when you have absolutely no reason you just hate lgbtq people

[thorny radish]

"Yea even though you have solid evidence it's still wrong just because I don't agree with it" like what

[exotic reef]

I had a stroke reading this

oh

thanks

[exotic reef]

a google search is not solid evidence 😭

[whole vigil]

it is the meaning of the word, it is fact

[uncut hamlet]

Keyword irrationally and rationally

You can dislike aspects and you can dislike pride without being hateful

As it says, what matters is why and how

[exotic reef]

that makes no sense

google has proven that they are incompetent in the past week already

[uncut hamlet]

The Google definition doesn't even prove their point

[exotic reef]

I'm off to go play CW:among

[plucky basalt]

whatd they do

WAIT WHAT'D THEY DO

WIMA

WIMMMAAAAAA

[exotic reef]

replaced the iconic google search with an entirely AI based search

[plucky basalt]

oh

damn thats stupid

thanks lol

[exotic reef]

they said it was "the biggest upgrade to the search since its inception 25 years ago"

[frosty steppe]

finally

[thorny radish]

Straight from the dictionary and aversion basically means dislike

[uncut hamlet]

Depends

If its rational or not

Obviously if its disliking lgbtq because you hate gay people or something thats wrong

[thorny radish]

Did you not read the definition

[uncut hamlet]

Not all dislike is homophobia

Many religion see homophobia as sin

Sin is negative. Right

[thorny radish]

That's wrong according to the dictionary

[uncut hamlet]

Big difference in disliking pride if your religious compared to disliking pride cuz your homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

So all religious people are homophobic

Balright

[thorny radish]

No 😭 not all religions dislike pride

[uncut hamlet]

Didnt mean that, I meant all religious people who follow things against pride

[thorny radish]

Source?

[uncut hamlet]

Ill find it

Maybe

I closed the tab

[thorny radish]

If they dislike pride it's homophobic by definition

[uncut hamlet]

Ill have a look

[uncut hamlet]

If they dislike the ideas of pride for reasons such as it being a sin, is that homophobia to you?

[thorny radish]

Yes

[uncut hamlet]

Wow

So you just called, many, many people homophobes

[thorny radish]

It's 100% homophobic to say being gay is a sin

Mods have banned plenty of people for saying that

[uncut hamlet]

No, its not

Certain people follow religions strictly

They cant just not abide

Depends who it is

[thorny radish]

Tell that to the mods

[thorny radish]

Ask a mod they will say it is

[uncut hamlet]

The mods #1507494950797971707 message

Read

"People who dont want it for religious reasons"

Right at the top

[thorny radish]

@spark jewel is saying "being gay is a sin" homophobic/bannable

[uncut hamlet]

If its a personal belief and you follow that based on religion thays not homophobic dude

Unless you actively are attacking lgbtq people for it

One of the mods literally said people can disagree for religious reasons

#1507494950797971707 message#1507494950797971707 message#1507494950797971707 message#1507494950797971707 message

Read up

[robust hollow]

People existing shouldn't be divisive. Its the childish whining of undereducated idiots that makes it divisive.

[uncut hamlet]

I do agree, but it always will he

[thorny radish]

So if my belief includes not liking a certain race does that mean I'm not racist

[uncut hamlet]

And its best to just stay fully neutral and not allow any

[thorny radish]

EXACTLY

[uncut hamlet]

You cant just dislike the ideas of race, as there is no real ideas

[thorny radish]

Couldn't have said it better

[uncut hamlet]

But you can not support the ideas of lgbtq

As many religions dont

But as I said earlier, this post isnt about going into detail about lgbtq stuff as im not fully educated on that topic

[plucky basalt]

yall are still going?

[uncut hamlet]

More of why we shouldnt allow it in suggestions

[thorny radish]

That's not answering my question

[robust hollow]

Yes because its not even true under several religions that keep saying it. Most are mistranslated either intentionally (with malice) or unintentionally. Its also scientifically proven to be innate and not choosable. Its like saying that having blue eyes is a sin

[uncut hamlet]

Im waiting for the 10 minutes i dont get a ping here

[plucky basalt]

dude just call it quits

you've been at it for almost 3 hours I wanna say

[uncut hamlet]

You cant compare racism to homophobia

Thats the point son

It just doesn't work like that

[thorny radish]

Peak

[thorny radish]

Yes I can both include discrimination against a minority for no reason

[uncut hamlet]

This isnt even really true

Its taught in many religions as sinful

[thorny radish]

@uncut hamlet maybe you should respond to this

[plucky basalt]

he did

lol

[dense canopy]

It's not mistranslated btw

[plucky basalt]

lonii
go do somethin else man

[uncut hamlet]

LGBTQ+ people vary significantly. Traditional interpretations of the Abrahamic religions generally view homosexual acts as sinful

This is what Wikipedia says

[plucky basalt]

you need to do somethin else

youve been at it for a long time now

[uncut hamlet]

Im waiting for a game to update

But I keep being pinged here

So I kinda gotta respond

[plucky basalt]

damn

that sucks

[thorny radish]

What this argument has turned into

[uncut hamlet]

Ignore the first sentence, I copy and pasted it bad lol

Just realised

[dense canopy]

Also Im not trying to agree with loniii, hes still lame

[thorny radish]

And that is homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

Crine

Im dope

[uncut hamlet]

No dude

[dense canopy]

Least true statement of all time

[thorny radish]

How

This is like getting blood from a rock

[uncut hamlet]

Not supporting the ideas or seeing it as wrong for reasons like religion is fine

Whats not fine is if you take action, attack, or spread negative stuff against those people

[dense canopy]

What

[plucky basalt]

wut

aight im out again

[thorny radish]

It's a saying

[dense canopy]

Can't check react that

[thorny radish]

So being homophobic is fine

[uncut hamlet]

Holy twisting

[merry bramble]

So

Dude I’m pretty sure

He’s trying to say

That pride is a divise subject

since SOME religions

don’t support it

[thorny radish]

Your claiming that people saying being gay is a sin isn't homophobic

[merry bramble]

dude?

[normal ivy]

I didnt read the suggestion but most cool ppl voted ❌

[merry bramble]

I’m not even religious at all

I don’t practice a religion but

if your religion

doesnt support pride

then that means not everyone is apart of pride

[thorny radish]

Loniii keeps saying people saying gay is a sin isn't homophobic even though by definition it is

[merry bramble]

I’m completely fine with pride I don’t have anything against it

Infact I have a trans and bi friend

[uncut hamlet]

Well, in some religions things like marriage and stuff are exclusively said to be between man and woman, through stuff like divine texts (thats what it said online). So going against that can be seen as a sin

[uncut hamlet]

I have a trans and many gay friends

[thorny radish]

If you dislike pride no matter what it's homophobic, I've shown prove that I'm correct so where's yours Loniii

[uncut hamlet]

It doesnt mean they are homophobic at all

[merry bramble]

basically this suggestion isn’t trying to be homophobic

It’s trying to say

[uncut hamlet]

Its not homophobic

[merry bramble]

some people can’t support pride

[uncut hamlet]

If ppl think this suggestion is homophobic thats wild

[merry bramble]

so it shouldn’t be discussed much

[median dagger]

is that not aversion to homosexuality?

[thorny radish]

Have you at least once read the definition

[merry bramble]

bro

he’s not tryna say

“If you are lgbt you get ban now” 🥹

he’s trying to say

[thorny radish]

When did I say he was saying that

[merry bramble]

your saying that

this suggestion is homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

Some people see it as a sin due to personal reasons like religion

Does this mean they actively dislike gay people?

[merry bramble]

because it wants a subject that is VERY divise

to not be spoken of much

[thorny radish]

No I'm not

[median dagger]

I say again
is that not aversion to homosexuality?

[uncut hamlet]

Just because they disagree with pride personally, doesnt mean they disagree with people of pride

[merry bramble]

as it leads to very often arguments.

[merry bramble]

So

Why do you keep mentioning homophobia

??

[uncut hamlet]

Imo, absolutely not

Because its completely rational

[plucky basalt]

cause its the go-to accusation

[thorny radish]

Quakers I don't think you even know what we're talking about

[merry bramble]

He just said he wasn’t accusing the suggestion of homophobia

and he keeps pulling out the meaning of homophobia

[thorny radish]

When

[uncut hamlet]

If stuff like pride is forbidden in your religion, or its seen as sinful, you can still follow that while respecting pride exists and respecting people of pride

[merry bramble]

Here

[median dagger]

I'll take your word for it

[thorny radish]

I said that people saying being gay is a sin is homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

So the key distinction is usually:

Having a religious belief about sexuality is not automatically the same as hatred or fear.
But when beliefs lead to discrimination, exclusion, or harm toward gay people, many people would call that homophobia.

This is what it said online

And i do agree with this distinction

Having a belief that it is wrong is not the same as hating it or having hatred of it

[merry bramble]

Here guys

[thorny radish]

Yo I'm tired with arguing to a wall so I'm out, loniii keeps repeating the same wrong things that by definition are wrong

[merry bramble]

No more argue ment

[uncut hamlet]

They gave up

Damn

[merry bramble]

Tryna send an image rq

But wont let me

[uncut hamlet]

This post isnt even supposed to be about the details of pride and stuff

Its just meant to be about why we shouldnt allow it in suggestions

Not even about pride itself, just that its controversial and all

[merry bramble]

Exactly

[robust hollow]

There are real records of priests changing scriptures in the early 1900's to fit their agenda. The largest religion in the world, Christianity, has no real mention of homosexuality in their scripture. Most of those lines are mistranslated and are supposed to refer to adultery or submissiveness for lack of a better word

[thorny radish]

Because according to you we should catter to the bigots and not represent those who are in the pride community

[merry bramble]

Infact if you really want to talk about pride

why not do something like make or go to a pride community world

and there everyone there will be good with pride

and it won’t be divise at all

[surreal pasture]

Loniii literally creates divisive posts just to be annoying

[uncut hamlet]

My point is

Other divisive subjects arent allowed

So why is pride

[surreal pasture]

This I post is also probably supposed to be divisive

[uncut hamlet]

Its about pride, it will be divisive

As it is by nature, a divisive topic

This is PROVING my point in why we shouldnt allowed topics like these in suggestions

[surreal pasture]

Are you not the same guy that creates pro ai posts just to be divisive

[uncut hamlet]

What does this prove about what my points say?

Attacking me just shows you have nothing to say

🤷‍♂️

Also, I never made a Pro AI post, just a community event because it was funny lol since there was an anti AI one

Youre thinking of brew

[surreal pasture]

You literally made a pro ai post because of me

Get your dementia diagnosed brochacho

[uncut hamlet]

No i didnt son

[surreal pasture]

You told me you did

You made a post called something like “stop ai hate in suggestions” because of something I said

[uncut hamlet]

Only post i made was one saying "delete anti AI posts" as they was literally everywhere

[merry bramble]

Try to not joke about horrible medical conditions challenge

[uncut hamlet]

There was like 10 anti ai posts

Genuinely flooded

[surreal pasture]

Yeah

[uncut hamlet]

And the same is starting to happen with pride now tbh

Theres like 7 of these suggestions

Including mine

[surreal pasture]

It’s always been like that Mr “Im not homophobic at all”

[uncut hamlet]

Im not

?

Homophobia is genuinely horrible stuff id never support

[merry bramble]

Y’all easily mix up homophobia with just not supporting lgbt

[uncut hamlet]

They all do

[merry bramble]

homophobia is genuine discrimination against anyone that is homosexual

[uncut hamlet]

Ive said like 20+ times that they are different

[merry bramble]

not supporting lgbt just means your not an ally

and you don’t really care

ok and now bluddy duddy is silent of course

[dense canopy]

I don't think people understand the difference between hating a sin and hating a sinner 😭

[merry bramble]

I don’t practice a religion but how does this happen vro 🥹

[dense canopy]

Blatant lies 😭

You can read some of the original manuscripts of the Bible btw

[uncut hamlet]

Idk how Bible and all that works but isnt there something in the old testament

Damn whyd it mute me

I didnt know that name was an automute

[dense canopy]

Wdym

[uncut hamlet]

I remember people saying a quote from the old testament that said it was an "abomination"

Idk if thats correct

Back in the old pride suggestions

I searched it up but you cant say the guys name

Cuz it mutes

[dense canopy]

You genuinely can't say the third book of the Bible 😭

[uncut hamlet]

Yeah

Thats weird

[surreal pasture]

If loniii is neutral about homosexuality why would he make a post about stopping pride posts

[uncut hamlet]

Im not trying to attack pride

Im saying that all other divisive subjects are restricted

Pride is a highly divisive subject and shouldnt get a free pass

As it causes arguments etc

I think as a whole it needs to be stricter, but pride needs to be included as a part of the "divisive subjects" category

[surreal pasture]

Trying to silence pride IS homophobic

Anyway Im gonna stop talking here because I’m trying to have a good summer

[uncut hamlet]

If you read the suggestion you'd see i said only in suggestions It shouldnt be allowed

[dense canopy]

Every time this guy can't respond to an argument he just says "homophobic" 😭

[exotic reef]

you can't say any book of the Bible I think

[dense canopy]

Genesis

Exodus

[surreal pasture]

Nuh uh

[exotic reef]

huh

cool

[robust hollow]

Yes, you can read old manuscripts of the bible... if you read hebrew. English translations are not entirely trustworthy and have lead to many, many mistakes over the years.

[dense canopy]

I'm saying you can tell the verses existed originally because you can see them in the original manuscripts.

Also most modern translations say the same thing

I doubt hundreds of translators are going to mistranslate the same things

[tired sky]

maybe people aren't accidentally mistranslating the same thing but deliberately changing the meaning of something out of hatred

[dense canopy]

If it's in the original manuscripts, then it's not mistranslated

[tired sky]

i'm willing to bet it wasn't

[frosty steppe]

there isnt THAT many homophobes

[merry raft]

This is peak

[tired sky]

you would be so surprised

[merry raft]

There’s a decent amount

[frosty steppe]

son

[dense canopy]

Then read them

[tired sky]

gang who tf is your son

not me

[frosty steppe]

also literally anyone could learn the language needed to read the manuscripts

[dense canopy]

You can read them and it shows that those verses did infact exist 😭

[full wren]

honestly, I absolutely agree with this. I support pride and everything as well but as the gorilla tag devs saw, a pride update will cause a lot of backlash. I get people want it, but personally I dont think games need pride updates due to this reason

[uncut hamlet]

Just gonna post this here

[dense canopy]

If it's causing a division, it's a divisive subject

[rich timber]

i have a feeling that something bad will happen in the community if they release a pride update

[uncut hamlet]

It will

This is why we avoid it

And all other divisive subjects

[smoky beacon]

not fully

oh shut up wima

[uncut hamlet]

I wish post owners could pin things

[uncut hamlet]

.

[surreal pasture]

@uncut hamlet did you really sparkle and fire your own post 😭

[median dagger]

idk I can't read hebrew

[uncut hamlet]

Yeah, what about it

I saw the reactions so I joined along

I agree with my own post.... why wouldnt I upvote it

[mellow otter]

Loni's first ever W?

Not homophobic

[uncut hamlet]

This is my 732nd W

But thanks

[mellow otter]

But I felt like that this whole point is true

[uncut hamlet]

I mean it is true

[mellow otter]

Back to read thw whole context abput the discussion this post got

[uncut hamlet]

Have fun

Its a mess

[mellow otter]

Too lazy to read the whole thing

But imo I think that people are all just overeacting when someone says their opinion is against theses posts

-# Not in a homophobic way that is

[uncut hamlet]

Well if you disagree at all, you basically just get harassed

[mellow otter]

Like, it's fine if someone ❌ reacts your post, but you don't need to like gaslight them to agree on the subject

[mellow otter]

Yeah that's literally how the arguments start in the Pride suggestions lol

[uncut hamlet]

Yup

[mellow otter]

Yeeps is a expressive game with creativity, but you don't get respected by your expressions?

[uncut hamlet]

And those people say that we start the arguments

When we are just giving reasons against it

[uncut hamlet]

Ig not

Ive seen so many people just be called homophobic for disagreeing

Its appalling

[mellow otter]

Imo the only time where homophobia starts is when someone treats another one differently from their gender

It doesn't start on disliking pride

[uncut hamlet]

Disliking the concept is fine aslong as you dont act on it and attack people for it

(Or seeing the concept as wrong)

Due to reasons like religion

[mellow otter]

Also btw I've heared that Pride is also about rspecting others people's choices I think

Or idk I could be misinformated

[uncut hamlet]

Probably, pride includes so much stuff nowadays

[plucky basalt]

I got pinged in here

but I dont know why

[smoky beacon]

same

[plucky basalt]

lol

[smoky beacon]

you do not want me in here guys😭

[median dagger]

no
you only have 731 actually

[uncut hamlet]

No i have 732

[grim violet]

I will lock you in a dome(r)

[near flame]

divisive due to bigotry

not allowing for it due to that would be like

second hand bigotry

more of empowering bigots

which they did in the past

then came to their senses

[uncut hamlet]

It doesnt matter how its divisive, it matters that it is divisive and actively breaks the rules

[uncut hamlet]

Aswell as, its not only divisive to "bigots"

[near flame]

whos else is it divisive to then?

[near flame]

and also ignored my one point

[uncut hamlet]

Religious people, also pride is quite political

So it can be divisive in that manner

[near flame]

also 1st one is just some random google search + its ai summary

and the 22nd image doesnt mean anything

[near flame]

@ivory bronzeif you will

[near flame]

also it isnt inherently political

[uncut hamlet]

Btw, on Wikipedia under the "list of controversial topics" section, pride and sexuality is on there

[near flame]

its just gets hooked in because of what?

bigots!

[uncut hamlet]

Which does confirm it is divisive

[near flame]

and whys it controversial?

bigots!

it all loops around

to one little thing

[uncut hamlet]

Wrong

Not everyone who disagrees is a bigot

[near flame]

who then?

you dont need to dis

wait

Disagree?

[uncut hamlet]

You think all religious people who disagree with the idea of pride are bigots?

[near flame]

how do yku disagree?

it exists

you cant deny its existence

[median cloak]

this suggestion is a divisive topic

please close it

[near flame]

wait for that borapaws person

[uncut hamlet]

The thing is, religious people and also people who use pride in politics and stuff respect and know lgbtq people exist

[near flame]

also this post is just kinda messed up

[uncut hamlet]

And usually have nothing against them

They arent all bigots

[near flame]

your just straight up asking for pride to be against the rules

[uncut hamlet]

Some may be

[uncut hamlet]

Yes, I am, all divisive subjects should be

[near flame]

thats messed up man

[uncut hamlet]

Thats not messed up, its stated in the rules no divisive subjects

[near flame]

why should I be against the rules?

[uncut hamlet]

Why should pride get a free pass?

Also, as I said, only in suggestions